European Super League (Indefinitely Suspended)

[aggerrard]

What's the big deal? This competition essentially replaces Champions League. Clubs still intend to play domestic competitions. UEFA just needs to bite the bullet and admit they're not the top dog anymore.

Seriously?

This is against everything European Football is. Relagation and promotion, qualification for european cups etc. As i stated. This 'super-league' would create monopoly. It would ruin the entire league system - and obviously ruin the league products. All for one 'super-league'. Yep, **** that ****. I'm not in.

Who gets relegated and promoted from Champions League?

[Cactus Jack]

What's the big deal? This competition essentially replaces Champions League. Clubs still intend to play domestic competitions. UEFA just needs to bite the bullet and admit they're not the top dog anymore.

Seriously?

This is against everything European Football is. Relagation and promotion, qualification for european cups etc. As i stated. This 'super-league' would create monopoly. It would ruin the entire league system - and obviously ruin the league products. All for one 'super-league'. Yep, **** that ****. I'm not in.

When was the last time one of the big market teams got relegated? When was the last time a small market team won the CL?

The current system is a monopoly and has been for decades.

Newcastle? If you consider them a "big market"?

[aggerrard]

What's the big deal? This competition essentially replaces Champions League. Clubs still intend to play domestic competitions. UEFA just needs to bite the bullet and admit they're not the top dog anymore.

Seriously?

This is against everything European Football is. Relagation and promotion, qualification for european cups etc. As i stated. This 'super-league' would create monopoly. It would ruin the entire league system - and obviously ruin the league products. All for one 'super-league'. Yep, **** that ****. I'm not in.

When was the last time one of the big market teams got relegated? When was the last time a small market team won the CL?

The current system is a monopoly and has been for decades. Fans have just covered their eyes and pretended that wasn't the case.

The current system gives small teams a chance. Doesn't matter if in England, Denmark, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Holland, Belgium, Austria etc. Without the league system you don't have a product - and without the chances of smaller teams competiting with bigger teams, you lose the interest.

[Cactus Jack]

Yes it does? The Prem would be secondary to the 'super league' at best. And as for the Premier League organisation. They can't keep the same product with the 'big-6' still in the league. Who would qualify for the Champions League then? 7-11? In order to keep the product as it is, they can't have the 'big-6' in the league. With time other teams will be the new United and Liverpool, if this bullsh*t really proceeds.

It might give financial boost in the beginning, but i highly doubt a superleague can take down centuries of structured league football. And it will also just leave 15-20 teams in the 'super-league' on even terms, with transfer-fees rising and salary matching the improved finances. All this is just IF the idea actually gets the financial support they think they will.

They're not going to kick the "Big 6" out of the league lol. The Prem would face serious financial problems & likely not be able to function as a league without their support. That's not going to happen.

It's all posturing at this stage. The big clubs hold all the power.

That's the problem. You really don't see it? The Prem is facing serious financial problems no matter what. It will be the new FA Cup or Europa League. A secondary league to the giants. The interest will fall drastically - meaning a huge loss for the entire league system and the smaller team. For what? To create a 'super-league' with gready owners sucking every **** penny possible and leaving every other team and the entire integrity for dead.

Yep, still not in.

Yes, there will be sweeping changes to UEFA. But again, nothing really changes as far as the Prem is concerned.

[aggerrard]

Yes it does? The Prem would be secondary to the 'super league' at best. And as for the Premier League organisation. They can't keep the same product with the 'big-6' still in the league. Who would qualify for the Champions League then? 7-11? In order to keep the product as it is, they can't have the 'big-6' in the league. With time other teams will be the new United and Liverpool, if this bullsh*t really proceeds.

Other teams won't replace them in the new EPL. People only care about the top teams right now because they're rich enough to sign the top players. If the top players are all in the ESL, that's what everyone will be watching. No owner is going to spend money on an EPL team.

It might give financial boost in the beginning, but i highly doubt a superleague can take down centuries of structured league football. And it will also just leave 15-20 teams in the 'super-league' on even terms, with transfer-fees rising and salary matching the improved finances. All this is just IF the idea actually gets the financial support they think they will.

There is very little structure in the current system, hence why this current mess even exists. Something like this would never happen in an American sports league because they are actually tightly run ships with strict competitive rules.

European football is not comparable to any american sports league. Different culture, differrent structure. American 'soccer' fans might want this idea of football being this small elite, eliminating every small team creating their own little league. Like the NBA and the NFL. And while it might work in USA - it wont work in Europe.

[Raps in 4]

Seriously?

This is against everything European Football is. Relagation and promotion, qualification for european cups etc. As i stated. This 'super-league' would create monopoly. It would ruin the entire league system - and obviously ruin the league products. All for one 'super-league'. Yep, **** that ****. I'm not in.

When was the last time one of the big market teams got relegated? When was the last time a small market team won the CL?

The current system is a monopoly and has been for decades. Fans have just covered their eyes and pretended that wasn't the case.

The current system gives small teams a chance. Doesn't matter if in England, Denmark, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Holland, Belgium, Austria etc. Without the league system you don't have a product - and without the chances of smaller teams competiting with bigger teams, you lose the interest.

If UEFA really wanted to give those teams a chance, they'd limit how much money the big market clubs can spend, they'd have a regulated farm system that prevents top teams from poaching talent from smaller teams, etc. Instead, we have a playground for the rich right now, where ~15 teams monopolise all the talent in the world and the rest of the teams fight over table scraps.

[aggerrard]

They're not going to kick the "Big 6" out of the league lol. The Prem would face serious financial problems & likely not be able to function as a league without their support. That's not going to happen.

It's all posturing at this stage. The big clubs hold all the power.

That's the problem. You really don't see it? The Prem is facing serious financial problems no matter what. It will be the new FA Cup or Europa League. A secondary league to the giants. The interest will fall drastically - meaning a huge loss for the entire league system and the smaller team. For what? To create a 'super-league' with gready owners sucking every **** penny possible and leaving every other team and the entire integrity for dead.

Yep, still not in.

Yes, there will be sweeping changes to UEFA. But, nothing really changes as far as the Prem is concerned.

Ofc it will. Don't fool yourself.

[aggerrard]

When was the last time one of the big market teams got relegated? When was the last time a small market team won the CL?

The current system is a monopoly and has been for decades. Fans have just covered their eyes and pretended that wasn't the case.

The current system gives small teams a chance. Doesn't matter if in England, Denmark, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Holland, Belgium, Austria etc. Without the league system you don't have a product - and without the chances of smaller teams competiting with bigger teams, you lose the interest.

If UEFA really wanted to give those teams a chance, they'd limit how much money the big market clubs can spend, they'd have a regulated farm system that prevents top teams from poaching talent from smaller teams, etc. Instead, we have a playground for the rich right now, where ~15 teams monopolise all the talent in the world and the rest of the teams fight over table scraps.

UEFA are giving them a chance. Limit the big teams from spending money? So the can flee and create a 'super-league' - like they are doing? The owners are greedy - and it wont end well.

[Raps in 4]

Yes it does? The Prem would be secondary to the 'super league' at best. And as for the Premier League organisation. They can't keep the same product with the 'big-6' still in the league. Who would qualify for the Champions League then? 7-11? In order to keep the product as it is, they can't have the 'big-6' in the league. With time other teams will be the new United and Liverpool, if this bullsh*t really proceeds.

Other teams won't replace them in the new EPL. People only care about the top teams right now because they're rich enough to sign the top players. If the top players are all in the ESL, that's what everyone will be watching. No owner is going to spend money on an EPL team.

It might give financial boost in the beginning, but i highly doubt a superleague can take down centuries of structured league football. And it will also just leave 15-20 teams in the 'super-league' on even terms, with transfer-fees rising and salary matching the improved finances. All this is just IF the idea actually gets the financial support they think they will.

There is very little structure in the current system, hence why this current mess even exists. Something like this would never happen in an American sports league because they are actually tightly run ships with strict competitive rules.

European football is not comparable to any american sports league. Different culture, differrent structure. American 'soccer' fans might want this idea of football being this small elite, eliminating every small team creating their own little league. Like the NBA and the NFL. And while it might work in USA - it wont work in Europe.

But that's the opposite of what American sports stand for. It doesn't matter if you're the fan of the Thunder or the Lakers. Both teams have to play by the same rules. The Lakers can't just outspend the Thunder. When Prokhorov bought the Nets, he couldn't just use his money to win a championship immediately like Abramovich did with Chelsea.

In a league like MLB where uncontrolled spending is allowed, there are still competitive balances in places to keep things fair. Small market teams are allowed to draft and hoard young talent in a farm system (who they can keep on controllable, team-friendly contracts). You also have revenue sharing to help keep the small teams afloat.

[Rasho Brezec]

Yes it does? The Prem would be secondary to the 'super league' at best. And as for the Premier League organisation. They can't keep the same product with the 'big-6' still in the league. Who would qualify for the Champions League then? 7-11? In order to keep the product as it is, they can't have the 'big-6' in the league. With time other teams will be the new United and Liverpool, if this bullsh*t really proceeds.

Other teams won't replace them in the new EPL. People only care about the top teams right now because they're rich enough to sign the top players. If the top players are all in the ESL, that's what everyone will be watching. No owner is going to spend money on an EPL team.

It might give financial boost in the beginning, but i highly doubt a superleague can take down centuries of structured league football. And it will also just leave 15-20 teams in the 'super-league' on even terms, with transfer-fees rising and salary matching the improved finances. All this is just IF the idea actually gets the financial support they think they will.

There is very little structure in the current system, hence why this current mess even exists. Something like this would never happen in an American sports league because they are actually tightly run ships with strict competitive rules.

European football is not comparable to any american sports league. Different culture, differrent structure. American 'soccer' fans might want this idea of football being this small elite, eliminating every small team creating their own little league. Like the NBA and the NFL. And while it might work in USA - it wont work in Europe.

Let's not put sports on a piedestal. This is all about people coming to terms with the fact that professional sports is about money first. UEFA's been doing a good job of making you gloss over that.

[Foye]

I will be honest with you.

I am not totally against a European Super League. FIFA/UEFA are a bunch of corrupt scumbags that have destroyed the game for years now. They deserve to be stabbed in the back.

However, I am totally against including Super League teams in the domestic leagues.
Cant be rewarded for considering yourself better than the traditional promotion/relegation and qualifiying for European competition systems.
What does clubs like Arsenal even qualify to be in this? They cant even reach top 6 in EPL.

They‘ll be getting hundreds of millions of Super League money and then also cashing in on the majority of domestic tv money. That is insane and absurd.

Let them form their own Super League but in the meantime quickly get rid of them in the domestic leagues.

Doesn‘t matter whether Bayern or Dortmund are going to the Super League.
Bundesliga is and will always be the league I will follow the most. Inequality of the competition levels in the domestic leagues is already way too much...cant accept to see this inequality rise even further.

[Raps in 4]

The current system gives small teams a chance. Doesn't matter if in England, Denmark, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Holland, Belgium, Austria etc. Without the league system you don't have a product - and without the chances of smaller teams competiting with bigger teams, you lose the interest.

If UEFA really wanted to give those teams a chance, they'd limit how much money the big market clubs can spend, they'd have a regulated farm system that prevents top teams from poaching talent from smaller teams, etc. Instead, we have a playground for the rich right now, where ~15 teams monopolise all the talent in the world and the rest of the teams fight over table scraps.

UEFA are giving them a chance. Limit the big teams from spending money? So the can flee and create a 'super-league' - like they are doing? The owners are greedy - and it wont end well.

A chance doesn't mean just being allowed to participate. It means actually being able to compete.

[aggerrard]

Other teams won't replace them in the new EPL. People only care about the top teams right now because they're rich enough to sign the top players. If the top players are all in the ESL, that's what everyone will be watching. No owner is going to spend money on an EPL team.



There is very little structure in the current system, hence why this current mess even exists. Something like this would never happen in an American sports league because they are actually tightly run ships with strict competitive rules.

European football is not comparable to any american sports league. Different culture, differrent structure. American 'soccer' fans might want this idea of football being this small elite, eliminating every small team creating their own little league. Like the NBA and the NFL. And while it might work in USA - it wont work in Europe.

But that's the opposite of what American sports stand for. It doesn't matter if you're the fan of the Thunder or the Lakers. Both teams have to play by the same rules. The Lakers can't just outspend the Thunder. When Prokhorov bought the Nets, he couldn't just use his money to win a championship immediately like Abramovich did with Chelsea.

In a league like MLB where uncontrolled spending is allowed, there are still competitive balances in places to keep things fair. Small market teams are allowed to draft and hoard young talent in a farm system. You also have revenue sharing to help keep the small teams afloat.

Because you only have a few select teams?! This structure have been build over 70 years. European football has had the structure it does now for about 70 years - you can't change the structure this dramatically and suddenly have 20 teams eliminating the entire concept and structure build up for 70 years. Why do you think there are such an outrage? European Football is more than 15-20 teams.

[aggerrard]

If UEFA really wanted to give those teams a chance, they'd limit how much money the big market clubs can spend, they'd have a regulated farm system that prevents top teams from poaching talent from smaller teams, etc. Instead, we have a playground for the rich right now, where ~15 teams monopolise all the talent in the world and the rest of the teams fight over table scraps.

UEFA are giving them a chance. Limit the big teams from spending money? So the can flee and create a 'super-league' - like they are doing? The owners are greedy - and it wont end well.

A chance doesn't mean just being allowed to participate. It means actually being able to compete.

You are so wrong, and you have absolutely no idea how wrong you are.

[aggerrard]

UEFA are giving them a chance. Limit the big teams from spending money? So the can flee and create a 'super-league' - like they are doing? The owners are greedy - and it wont end well.

A chance doesn't mean just being allowed to participate. It means actually being able to compete.

You are so wrong, and you have absolutely no idea how wrong you are.

And why are you even turning the debate?

This is not the small teams creating the problem. This is the already big markets being greedy, trying to grab every penny, leave the national leagues and the smaller markets left for dead.

[Inspektor1312]

I understand that this is a predominantly american forum and that you guys have a different view on sports in general, so if you don't understand why this is bad for football, I suggest reading this article: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/18/only-someone-who-truly-hates-football-can-be-behind-a-european-super-league

And listen to what legends have to say about this ****:

I agree(along with most of the footballing world) that UEFA and FIFA are corrupt scumbags, but this is just on another level.

[Cactus Jack]

European football is not comparable to any american sports league. Different culture, differrent structure. American 'soccer' fans might want this idea of football being this small elite, eliminating every small team creating their own little league. Like the NBA and the NFL. And while it might work in USA - it wont work in Europe.

But that's the opposite of what American sports stand for. It doesn't matter if you're the fan of the Thunder or the Lakers. Both teams have to play by the same rules. The Lakers can't just outspend the Thunder. When Prokhorov bought the Nets, he couldn't just use his money to win a championship immediately like Abramovich did with Chelsea.

In a league like MLB where uncontrolled spending is allowed, there are still competitive balances in places to keep things fair. Small market teams are allowed to draft and hoard young talent in a farm system. You also have revenue sharing to help keep the small teams afloat.

Because you only have a few select teams?! This structure have been build over 70 years. European football has had the structure it does now for about 70 years - you can't change the structure this dramatically and suddenly have 20 teams eliminating the entire concept and structure build up for 70 years. Why do you think there are such an outrage? European Football is more than 15-20 teams.

Sometimes change is good.

[Rasho Brezec]

Just because something has been done a certain way for ages doesn't mean it's the right way.

[aggerrard]

Just because something has been done a certain way for ages doesn't mean it's the right way.

Maybe the NBA should implement 2nd and 3rd divisions with promotions and relegations.

[aggerrard]

But that's the opposite of what American sports stand for. It doesn't matter if you're the fan of the Thunder or the Lakers. Both teams have to play by the same rules. The Lakers can't just outspend the Thunder. When Prokhorov bought the Nets, he couldn't just use his money to win a championship immediately like Abramovich did with Chelsea.

In a league like MLB where uncontrolled spending is allowed, there are still competitive balances in places to keep things fair. Small market teams are allowed to draft and hoard young talent in a farm system. You also have revenue sharing to help keep the small teams afloat.

Because you only have a few select teams?! This structure have been build over 70 years. European football has had the structure it does now for about 70 years - you can't change the structure this dramatically and suddenly have 20 teams eliminating the entire concept and structure build up for 70 years. Why do you think there are such an outrage? European Football is more than 15-20 teams.

Sometimes change is good.

Obviously. Changes can be good. But this is a suicide mission. Whetever it kills the big-market teams or it kills the small-market teams. No inbetween.