Fixing New Orleans

[Mike lorenzo]

NOP
In: FVV / Anunoby / Williams / Horford
Out: Ingram / Adams / Bledsoe / NAW / Lakers 21

THUNDER
In: Bledsoe / Hood / NAW / Lakers 21 ..
Out: Horford / L. Williams ..

Thunder gets, Lottery prospectus.
- Long-term savings ..
1 late round .. (Great Victory for Presti)

RAPTORS
In: Ingram / Adams
Out: Anunoby / FVV / Hood

They get a young Star for 2 ... very good Role players ..
Adams in a position of need ..

FA
bring back Lonzo and Hart ...
B.Portis ..

Draft
-Frank Wagner or Kai Jones or Kisper

Lonzo / K. Lewis
FVV / Williams
Anunoby / Hart / Draft
Zion / B. Portis
Horford / Hayes

Not enough value for Ingram even before adding the first

Ingram is more valuable than Anunoby + FVV ... ?? ... The 1 (late) is for Thunder, for eating Bledsoe

[R-DAWG]

Boy, that would be great for NO. They should absolutely deal Adams and small value for Turner. They would really improve. Bigger question is: why would Indy deal Turner for such little value and get worse?

This doesn't bode well for my Dallas off-season plan of getting good players for our mediocre players and limited assets.

But yeah the difference in value between Adams and Turner has to be more than that without even getting into the obvious issue of there being no real role for Adams in Indiana. bothwell did mention some 3rd teams but it gets tricky. Dallas could use a player like Adams, but they would insist on sending Powell to Indiana and likely wouldn't add much value. Knicks probably would explore other uses of their space first and would probably ask for value to take on that contract, not add any.

The problem is the Adams issue was a self-inflicted wound and not even with the benefit of hindsight. I think almost all of us were scratching our heads at why they traded for him and immediately extended him.

Knicks should be going after Miles Turner themselves. If they are truly building around Julius Randle, they are better off with a stretch 5 like Turner rather than a rim runner/pick and roll finished like Mitchell Robinson.

New York would need to find a 3rd team to send Robinson and maybe something else and that team would need to send a combo forward to the Pacers on a similar level to Turner.

[Prospect Dong]

I'd start with moving Adams and Bledsoe for Horford. Probably needs a third team.

I think Adams is the perfect C for GSW system but not sure who they could give in trade.

So part of my problem with these Horford trades is that at his age, I’m not convinced he’s any more mobile than Adams, and whatever he gain with floor spacing we lose with offensive and defensive rebounding,

This goes back to what I was saying before. I get the fit arguments, but when you watch the team or even check out the lineup data, you see that problem is really defense, bench units and clutch time and I don’t think a Horford trade will address those issues.

Just out of interest, what source are you using for your clutch stats?

[Prospect Dong]

The clock is definitely ticking.

Griffin has to have a roster that makes sense by the trade deadline of next year, and they need to be on their way towards a playoff team.

If not I think Griffin gets shown the door. They can't mess around forever. Next year is a bit of a make or break year.

Yep. It sounds crazy as next season will only be Zion's 3rd in the league but they took a big step back this year. It's go time esp for these mid markets as soon as they uncover a star. There's really no time for many lost seasons or the star player, Zion in this case, will be demanding a trade before the end of his 2nd contract. That scenario has played out over and over the past few years (CP3, Melo, PG, Kawhi, Kyrie, AD, Butler, Harden).

If Griffin can't get them on the right track in the next year then he should probably be replaced.

The real mistake was last year, when they started Zion's tenure by trading down to free up cap space and the loaded up with short-term expensive bets like JJ and Favors. I just don't understand why they didn't stay at #4, take their lumps in year one - ideally trading Jrue then as well - add another lotto pick and then go looking for pieces that fit once they'd seen Zion (and the #4, Ball, Ingram, etc) in action.

They've made it much harder to sell Zion and their fans on any sense of progress by doing their mini-rebuild in year two instead.

[lordjeff05]

I'd start with moving Adams and Bledsoe for Horford. Probably needs a third team.

I think Adams is the perfect C for GSW system but not sure who they could give in trade.

So part of my problem with these Horford trades is that at his age, I’m not convinced he’s any more mobile than Adams, and whatever he gain with floor spacing we lose with offensive and defensive rebounding,

This goes back to what I was saying before. I get the fit arguments, but when you watch the team or even check out the lineup data, you see that problem is really defense, bench units and clutch time and I don’t think a Horford trade will address those issues.

Just out of interest, what source are you using for your clutch stats?

If games ended at the 45 minute mark this team would be 34-23. Meaning we’ve held leads with 3 minutes left in 34 games.

[lordjeff05]

The clock is definitely ticking.

Griffin has to have a roster that makes sense by the trade deadline of next year, and they need to be on their way towards a playoff team.

If not I think Griffin gets shown the door. They can't mess around forever. Next year is a bit of a make or break year.

Yep. It sounds crazy as next season will only be Zion's 3rd in the league but they took a big step back this year. It's go time esp for these mid markets as soon as they uncover a star. There's really no time for many lost seasons or the star player, Zion in this case, will be demanding a trade before the end of his 2nd contract. That scenario has played out over and over the past few years (CP3, Melo, PG, Kawhi, Kyrie, AD, Butler, Harden).

If Griffin can't get them on the right track in the next year then he should probably be replaced.

The real mistake was last year, when they started Zion's tenure by trading down to free up cap space and the loaded up with short-term expensive bets like JJ and Favors. I just don't understand why they didn't stay at #4, take their lumps in year one - ideally trading Jrue then as well - add another lotto pick and then go looking for pieces that fit once they'd seen Zion (and the #4, Ball, Ingram, etc) in action.

They've made it much harder to sell Zion and their fans on any sense of progress by doing their mini-rebuild in year two instead.

If they liked anyone at 4, then they would have used it. The Pelicans can many other teams were not super impressed with what was available at that spot. That deal was mean to split the different with several players they liked, not to free up cap space for short term deals. Yes they did make those deals but could have used other assets to free up that space.

[Wolveswin]

The clock is definitely ticking.

Griffin has to have a roster that makes sense by the trade deadline of next year, and they need to be on their way towards a playoff team.

If not I think Griffin gets shown the door. They can't mess around forever. Next year is a bit of a make or break year.

Yep. It sounds crazy as next season will only be Zion's 3rd in the league but they took a big step back this year. It's go time esp for these mid markets as soon as they uncover a star. There's really no time for many lost seasons or the star player, Zion in this case, will be demanding a trade before the end of his 2nd contract. That scenario has played out over and over the past few years (CP3, Melo, PG, Kawhi, Kyrie, AD, Butler, Harden).

If Griffin can't get them on the right track in the next year then he should probably be replaced.

The real mistake was last year, when they started Zion's tenure by trading down to free up cap space and the loaded up with short-term expensive bets like JJ and Favors. I just don't understand why they didn't stay at #4, take their lumps in year one - ideally trading Jrue then as well - add another lotto pick and then go looking for pieces that fit once they'd seen Zion (and the #4, Ball, Ingram, etc) in action.

They've made it much harder to sell Zion and their fans on any sense of progress by doing their mini-rebuild in year two instead.

Truth to this for sure.

The Pelicans got so lucky in that span. Like no other organization in such a short period.

1. Gifted Zion at #1
2. Davis as expiring asking out to LA, just so happened Lakers sat with James demanding him and holding #4 and tons of youth.
3. Ingram turned out to be not a bust that he was trending with his lackluster LA production and heart issues.

At the time, my personal fav trade was Holiday + #4 for Ayton. Suns were starving for a defensive guard next to Booker (see Rubio and Paul who have come after). Maybe Pels pull a swap with #11 (assuming Wolves trade happens first) or get some other value out of the deal.

Ayton/Zion pairing would be sick. Hire a shooting coach and watch them both develop shooting like so many bigs do as the develop.

Ayton
Zion
Ingram
Hart | 2020 1st (Lewis?)
Ball

[FutureKnicksGM]

I would take Bledsoe off your hands for all your seconds Nawlins. You keep the space for Ball.

[lordjeff05]

I would take Bledsoe off your hands for all your seconds Nawlins. You keep the space for Ball.

I’d do that so fast it would make your head spin.

[Smirk]

I would take Bledsoe off your hands for all your seconds Nawlins. You keep the space for Ball.

I would give you every 2nd we could possibly give for the next decade for you to take Bledsoe into space. I'm not kidding.

[NuggetsWY]

"Fixing" New Orleans? I'm not sure New Orleans is broken. Their top players are 20 & 23 and most of the rest of their roster tends toward young players. A little time and make a few small changes - I think they'll be fine.

[StreakyJ]

Westbrook. Pels threatening to go 0-3 playoffs Zion's first 3 years without another bonafide catalyst and professional ass-kicker. They need more swagger. Hayes and Zion can't carry the whole damn team swagger.

Maybe off-season with Adams contract dropping $10M (Adams solid value at $18M). Washington has no real Westbrook plan or structure there even if they crack the playoff play-in seed. They should blow it up. Beal just hasn't won (enough) games for them overall to carry the losing culture for 2,3 4, 5 more years. Kill it.

[BuddyBuckets]

Someone said we have to hire a shooting coach lol, we have a pretty good one, ask Lonzo

[BuddyBuckets]

If you go back and watch opening night vs Toronto and watch now this team has changed so much over the course of one season. They still don't have an identity. The fact they are within reach of a play in is credit to how good Zion/BI are.

This year has been great for Hayes, NAW, and Kira. They are all looking much better as the season has progressed. We have a tonne of future assets to manouver with and it's hard to really know if Lonzo will get a stupid offer. The only fix is to add depth. The Pels usually win first quarters, they just need to figure out winning at the end of games. The guys they have are good, just need a couple pieces like a Clarkson and Kleber to keep the defense honest.

[FutureKnicksGM]

I would take Bledsoe off your hands for all your seconds Nawlins. You keep the space for Ball.

I would give you every 2nd we could possibly give for the next decade for you to take Bledsoe into space. I'm not kidding.

That's a deal . Get it done Leon.