Stephen Curry has been totally exposed

[bovice]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

[rtiff68]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

Copied and pasted from the signature of the poster “Onus,” who has posted multiple times in this very thread...

Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)

[xdrta+]

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

You sound like Barkley in 2015. "Jump shooting teams can't win a championship."

Read on Twitter

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[DB23]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

Except he did already win a ring doing just that.

Seems a really bizarre position to take when it’s literally already been proven.

[clyde21]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

Except he did already win a ring doing just that.

Seems a really bizarre position to take when it’s literally already been proven.

3 times over

[nfmos]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

God you act like he doesnt have any playoff or final history that we can actually use to prove your theories wrong.

Outside of 2016 -- a series in which he was somewhat limited due to injury -- those are tremendous contributions. Throughout his Finals career, Curry has averaged 26.5 points, 6.2 assists and 5.7 rebounds per game on 42.0 percent shooting from the field and 38.5 percent from 3-point range -- which are nearly identical to his career averages in all games.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/steph-currys-top-five-nba-finals-performances-decorated-career

My research shows that while Curry’s TS% in the regular season is 2.85% higher than that in the postseason; however, the standard deviation (how much his true shooting percentage varies when subtracting both these distributions) makes it so that this number is not statistically significant (standard deviation is 4.41%). This means that across 7 years, there is really no difference in his true shooting percentage between his regular season and postseason. Furthermore, his PPG per usage rate is actually higher in the postseason than it is in the regular season – a stark contradiction to what sports pundits will often tell you. But again, since the difference is smaller than the standard deviation, the difference Curry’s effectiveness in the regular season and the playoffs is not that different at all.

I find the same result with adjusted RPG and APG per usage rate. For the same reason as above, I cannot statistically say that any of these numbers are statistically different than 0, meaning that Curry in the postseason has not played appreciably worse from a shooting standpoint or from points, assists, or rebounds standpoint than he has in the regular season. In fact, his PPG, RPG, and APG per usage rate have all been higher in the postseason than they have been in the regular season. So, next time when someone tells you that Curry doesn’t perform in the postseason, you can let them know that they are, sadly, mistaken.
https://sites.northwestern.edu/nusportsanalytics/2019/06/19/does-steph-currys-play-actually-decline-in-the-postseason/

[rtiff68]

...and another thing! That Michael Jordan fellow showed his warts once he wasn’t surrounded by an MVP candidate (Pippen), a DPOY (Rodman), and a number of guys who made at least one All Star game and played with Jordan in their primes (Grant, Armstrong, Oakley) and a slew of great role players.

Did you know that he’s never won a playoff series without Pippen??? Did you also know that you can always find inane “facts” in the pursuit of disparaging greatness when it’s right in front of you?

[dhsilv2]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

The 3 time champion...........yeah...his play doesn't win titles, other than it does win titles.

[GreenBloodedC]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

Would have been a valid argument if it were not for the fact that Curry already led his team to a championship. (without KD).

[floppymoose]

Given how Steph played lately, the number of Curry threads seems about right.

[bovice]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

Copied and pasted from the signature of the poster “Onus,” who has posted multiple times in this very thread...

Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)

yes 2015 when they had a deep bench and everything around him was picture perfect. every team he faced in the playoffs had their best wing defender injured. that ring was a fluke. i'll continue to watch him struggle the rest of his career cause he's not gonna have the luxury of that bench if he continues to make 35 mil a year.

[bovice]

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

You sound like Barkley in 2015. "Jump shooting teams can't win a championship."

Read on Twitter

?

is that a rebuttal? i don't get it. name another #1 option in the last 20 years that only relied on his jumper. steph couldn't get his shot off against kevin love in 2016 at the end of game 7. he doesn't have the physical tools of a kawhi/kd/harden/lebron

[rtiff68]

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

Copied and pasted from the signature of the poster “Onus,” who has posted multiple times in this very thread...

Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)

yes 2015 when they had a deep bench and everything around him was picture perfect. every team he faced in the playoffs had their best wing defender injured. that ring was a fluke. i'll continue to watch him struggle the rest of his career cause he's not gonna have the luxury of that bench if he continues to make 35 mil a year.

Dude, really?

At least Pharmcat was a good sport and just smiled and ate crow. We’re all wrong sometimes.

This is just getting pathetic...

[bovice]

Copied and pasted from the signature of the poster “Onus,” who has posted multiple times in this very thread...

Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)

yes 2015 when they had a deep bench and everything around him was picture perfect. every team he faced in the playoffs had their best wing defender injured. that ring was a fluke. i'll continue to watch him struggle the rest of his career cause he's not gonna have the luxury of that bench if he continues to make 35 mil a year.

Dude, really?

At least Pharmcat was a good sport and just smiled and ate crow. We’re all wrong sometimes.

This is just getting pathetic...

you know how good portland would be if dame made 15 mil instead of 35 mil? or what about if kawhi took a 20 mil paycut. context matters to these championships. you can scream 3 rings all you want, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

[DCasey91]

That Curry doesn’t have a diverse skill set on offense is the dumbest trope I’ve heard. A lot of people seem to still think that all he does is shoot 3s.

Curry this season is leading in PPP on practically every ball handling play except for post-ups. He’s in the 100th percentile as a pick and roll ball-handler, in isolation and on spot-ups. 99th percentile in dribble hand-offs.

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

GSW would have cantered home every championship win since 15’ if not for injuries lol
Curry was playing with g leaguers against Raptors for a time and went nutso some games. His 15’ run is very underrated.
Curry with fully fit Klay this year would be a legit threat to everybody. It’s just that predicating on a jump shooter can look different but that impact is just the same as every other championship core in history. All time great

he is more more exposed to more robust hubs (James, Durant) but as pound for pound at 6”3” you can’t find much better to build a championship winning dynasty around with. I mean when you have the greatest shooter ever you might as well capitalize on it up as much as possible.

Miller/Nash/Stockton isn’t on Curry’s level but I still think they themselves and the team didn’t capitalize on their strengths enough. Alluding to Nash’s statement about shooting/scoring more.

[Admiral-Kizaru]

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

Copied and pasted from the signature of the poster “Onus,” who has posted multiple times in this very thread...

Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)

yes 2015 when they had a deep bench and everything around him was picture perfect. every team he faced in the playoffs had their best wing defender injured. that ring was a fluke. i'll continue to watch him struggle the rest of his career cause he's not gonna have the luxury of that bench if he continues to make 35 mil a year.

Intellectual dishonesty is a shameful activity to take part of. They literally proved that you're wrong/lying and you decide to move the goal post.

[rtiff68]

yes 2015 when they had a deep bench and everything around him was picture perfect. every team he faced in the playoffs had their best wing defender injured. that ring was a fluke. i'll continue to watch him struggle the rest of his career cause he's not gonna have the luxury of that bench if he continues to make 35 mil a year.

Dude, really?

At least Pharmcat was a good sport and just smiled and ate crow. We’re all wrong sometimes.

This is just getting pathetic...

you know how good portland would be if dame made 15 mil instead of 35 mil? or what about if kawhi took a 20 mil paycut. context matters to these championships. you can scream 3 rings all you want, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

I’m not “screaming 3 rings.” My first response to you was simple facts that directly ran in the face of your take...that “Curry’s legs wouldn’t last late in a series on those jump-shots.”

Yeah, well, they already did. It already happened.

What’s your next argument? LeBron can’t win in the west?

Why do people go down in flames when the boat is 90% sunk?

[BoatsNZones]

yes 2015 when they had a deep bench and everything around him was picture perfect. every team he faced in the playoffs had their best wing defender injured. that ring was a fluke. i'll continue to watch him struggle the rest of his career cause he's not gonna have the luxury of that bench if he continues to make 35 mil a year.

Dude, really?

At least Pharmcat was a good sport and just smiled and ate crow. We’re all wrong sometimes.

This is just getting pathetic...

you know how good portland would be if dame made 15 mil instead of 35 mil? or what about if kawhi took a 20 mil paycut. context matters to these championships. you can scream 3 rings all you want, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

This is matrix level cognitive dissonance.

[bovice]

Dude, really?

At least Pharmcat was a good sport and just smiled and ate crow. We’re all wrong sometimes.

This is just getting pathetic...

you know how good portland would be if dame made 15 mil instead of 35 mil? or what about if kawhi took a 20 mil paycut. context matters to these championships. you can scream 3 rings all you want, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

I’m not “screaming 3 rings.” My first response to you was simple facts that directly ran in the face of your take...that “Curry’s legs wouldn’t last late in a series on those jump-shots.”

Yeah, well, they already did. It already happened.

What’s your next argument? LeBron can’t win in the west?

Why do people go down in flames when the boat is 90% sunk?

again, that 2015 run was a fluke.

name another time when every team that faced the eventual champions had a key injury (pbev/tony allen/conley/jrue/love/kyrie). name another time when a core player on a championship team had yet to ever make it to a conference finals before. these things matter. experience matters when it comes to winning championships.

we're never gonna agree with each other so this back and forth is pointless.

[michaelm]

points per game isn't a skillset. i'm looking at his highlights vs the 76ers and he's hitting his long ball, that's cool. but again, that's not reliable in the playoffs. when offenses attack you on the other end, you're not gonna have ur legs underneath you to be hitting those shots in the 4th quarter of a game 4/5/6/7. you're not going to beat teams in the 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs relying on dribble hand-offs.

i'm not saying curry isn't exciting to watch, he is, but his dominance is overstated. you're not gonna win championships with deep 3s and fast-breaks as your primary tools

Copied and pasted from the signature of the poster “Onus,” who has posted multiple times in this very thread...

Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)

yes 2015 when they had a deep bench and everything around him was picture perfect. every team he faced in the playoffs had their best wing defender injured. that ring was a fluke. i'll continue to watch him struggle the rest of his career cause he's not gonna have the luxury of that bench if he continues to make 35 mil a year.

And GSW had their own injury problems in 2016 including Curry being out for over 2 weeks in the preliminary rounds, and had to go through one of the toughest runs of opponents ever in an historically strong Western Conference from which a 60+ win team didn’t even make the WCF, while the Cavs waltzed through a rather weak Eastern conference. It is what it is, neither team could do more than beat everyone who turned up to play them.