It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[bucknersrevenge]

Agreed for the most part.

But he went from 19 PPG scorer on a bad team to 11 PPG scorer on a good team when he came to Boston. Yes, that's only a 4 game sample size, but still....

This is why it's key for him to come back and produce. Because 11 PPG is NOT a no. 3 scorer on a good team. It's a no. 5 scorer on a good team which would make like $10-$12 mil, tops. Especially considering he doesn't do much else well, average at best defender, not a good rebounder, average at best passer..

Kemba is the no. 3 scorer on this team. Kemba is averaging 17.8 PPG which falls right in line with what you see from other "good no. 3 scorers on good teams" across the league. So if Fournier wants to get paid like a no. 3 scorer he should be able to put up at least 17.8 PPG in a celtics uniform and do it with at least a 15 game sample size.

Well he's also coming off the bench too. So keep that in mind as well. And I think he sees himself as a starter and someone who will be a considerable part of the offense moving forward. Whatever his role is this year off the bench is not what he will do next year, not if he's gonna stay with this team. He's got no incentive. So that means, in order for him to stay, probably one of the other 2 have to go. This is a lot of assumption here, sure. But Fournier is holding all the leverage. I'm certain another playoff team will step up to grab him f we don't keep him and Danny knows it.

As for his production, if he averages 13-14ppg in limited shot attempts it's gonna be about the spacing his shooting provides as much as his ACTUAL stat production. That's the thing. And I expect his agent knows that. And don't forget, he's still learning this team and now coming off Covid. I mean, your barometer is your barometer and that's fine. I get it. I'm gonna take a little more context into this situation myself.

He's playing 29 mins a game for Boston. He was playing 30 for Orlando. So basically same amount of mins..

In his 1st game against NOLA, no Jaylen. In the next game, he took 6 shots. The next 2 games were blowout wins. I'm interested to see what the minute and shot breakdowns look like when we're in the middle of a clutch game. He'll be eased back in off Covid for now. Surely you're not expecting Brad's gonna throw him into the deep end his first day off Covid considering what Tatum has told us? His worth is going to be shown in the playoffs as far as production is concerned I would think. I think they have bigger plans for him next year.

[hugepatsfan]

I got it. So Fournier, a veteran, reliable 18 ppg shooter/scoring wing, in a league that LOVES those types, as a free agent, will not get more than the 17M he's making now. The deal he signed to get to this point was 5/85M. Meaning, he made 17M EVERY year of that deal. So a shooter who's shooting close to 40% from 3 his last 2 years is going to take a 2-4M a year PAYCUT to stay here in Boston as he hits free agency? LOL I thought we only had one comedian on this forum! Wait til he hears this one.

Joe Harris got $17M/year and I think he's a better shooter, which is the primary skill set Fournier will be paid for. And he signed going into age 29 season just like Fournier will. So I think a little off that for Fournier seems reasonable. But we shall see... I could see teams like DAL, MEM, or SA offering money to Fournier for sure. I think SA would rather just re-sign DeRozen though. DAL I see trying to keep flexibility for bigger moves. MEM is the biggest threat to pay him, IMO. TOR could get involved if they let Lowry go but opt for a quick rebuild, though they do have Gary Trent Jr to re-sign now.

Just in general, I look at he FA market, and I think guys like Gary Trent Jr and Normal Powell will be ranked higher because I see more upside. For teams looking for a vet scorer, provided they have the shooting around them, I think DeRozen will rank higher. Oubre is out there as well who is also younger. Josh Richardson maybe doesn't bring the scoring but is probably a better all around player. Only so many teams have cap space, and depending on the stage of team development they are in or the specific skill set they're looking for, I see many attractive alternatives to Fournier at $17-20M/year into his 30s. But again, we shall see.

Well crafted response here. Toronto would be interesting. Don't they get Trent's Bird rights though? Or are those not attached anymore. He would make an interesting fit there. As for Harris, I see him as more of a specialist than Fournier. Harris seems more Duncan Robinson. While Fournier seems more Hayward/Caris Levert-esque maybe. Sure the shooting will be the most important skillset, But I suspect what Brad has in mind for him assuming he comes back next season is more secondary playmaking, especially with 2nd units. That's why I tend to think he's going to be worth more. And FWIW, here's my "bold prediction of the day". Our current starting backcourt will be on different teams next year. Nothing to base that on but a hunch based on the math.

I believe that TOR got GTJ's bird rights and he will be an RFA. But similar to Bogi in ATL last year, I think he's an RFA that someone will make a big offer to and put the pressure on TOR. Basically, I can't see TOR paying both GTJ and Fournier, and if they're only paying one, I can't see them choosing Fournier. Even if they do let GTJ walk, to sign Fournier with cap space you'd need to renounce Lowry. And then you'd be maxed out financially with Siakam, FVV, Fournier and Anunoby. Seems like poor management to me and they have a great GM.

We'll see though. I don't rule out Fournier getting a bag from somewhere. I really do have a hard time seeing him getting more than the $17M/year he's making now but it wouldn't shock me.

Also, I can totally see your bold prediction being true. Fournier could walk like we've said. Kemba I can definitely see being moved if they get the right financial relief (Knicks most likely destination there) or breaking him down into a few lesser but well-fitting and easier to trade individually role players (i.e. LA Clippers). Smart is entering into the last year of his deal. Re-signing him would mean no FA flexibility around the J's and being committed to operating as an over the cap team. If they do let Smart walk there's an opportunity for cap space, and if you want to go that route makes sense to move him before it comes to that.

Danny knows he needs to put together rosters that convince Tatum/Brown that they can win titles here. We all see how the league is with stars recruiting stars. Ainge can't be kidding himself into thinking that Tatum/Brown can't be a part of that. And you want o make sure they're on the recruiting side rather than the being recruited sign. This team is clearly deficient compared to the elite of the elite and Ainge needs to be aggressive in fixing that.

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Joe Harris got $17M/year and I think he's a better shooter, which is the primary skill set Fournier will be paid for. And he signed going into age 29 season just like Fournier will. So I think a little off that for Fournier seems reasonable. But we shall see... I could see teams like DAL, MEM, or SA offering money to Fournier for sure. I think SA would rather just re-sign DeRozen though. DAL I see trying to keep flexibility for bigger moves. MEM is the biggest threat to pay him, IMO. TOR could get involved if they let Lowry go but opt for a quick rebuild, though they do have Gary Trent Jr to re-sign now.

Just in general, I look at he FA market, and I think guys like Gary Trent Jr and Normal Powell will be ranked higher because I see more upside. For teams looking for a vet scorer, provided they have the shooting around them, I think DeRozen will rank higher. Oubre is out there as well who is also younger. Josh Richardson maybe doesn't bring the scoring but is probably a better all around player. Only so many teams have cap space, and depending on the stage of team development they are in or the specific skill set they're looking for, I see many attractive alternatives to Fournier at $17-20M/year into his 30s. But again, we shall see.

Well crafted response here. Toronto would be interesting. Don't they get Trent's Bird rights though? Or are those not attached anymore. He would make an interesting fit there. As for Harris, I see him as more of a specialist than Fournier. Harris seems more Duncan Robinson. While Fournier seems more Hayward/Caris Levert-esque maybe. Sure the shooting will be the most important skillset, But I suspect what Brad has in mind for him assuming he comes back next season is more secondary playmaking, especially with 2nd units. That's why I tend to think he's going to be worth more. And FWIW, here's my "bold prediction of the day". Our current starting backcourt will be on different teams next year. Nothing to base that on but a hunch based on the math.

I believe that TOR got GTJ's bird rights and he will be an RFA. But similar to Bogi in ATL last year, I think he's an RFA that someone will make a big offer to and put the pressure on TOR. Basically, I can't see TOR paying both GTJ and Fournier, and if they're only paying one, I can't see them choosing Fournier. Even if they do let GTJ walk, to sign Fournier with cap space you'd need to renounce Lowry. And then you'd be maxed out financially with Siakam, FVV, Fournier and Anunoby. Seems like poor management to me and they have a great GM.

We'll see though. I don't rule out Fournier getting a bag from somewhere. I really do have a hard time seeing him getting more than the $17M/year he's making now but it wouldn't shock me.

Also, I can totally see your bold prediction being true. Fournier could walk like we've said. Kemba I can definitely see being moved if they get the right financial relief (Knicks most likely destination there) or breaking him down into a few lesser but well-fitting and easier to trade individually role players (i.e. LA Clippers). Smart is entering into the last year of his deal. Re-signing him would mean no FA flexibility around the J's and being committed to operating as an over the cap team. If they do let Smart walk there's an opportunity for cap space, and if you want to go that route makes sense to move him before it comes to that.

Danny knows he needs to put together rosters that convince Tatum/Brown that they can win titles here. We all see how the league is with stars recruiting stars. Ainge can't be kidding himself into thinking that Tatum/Brown can't be a part of that. And you want o make sure they're on the recruiting side rather than the being recruited sign. This team is clearly deficient compared to the elite of the elite and Ainge needs to be aggressive in fixing that.

Harris at $17 mil a year and Bogdanovic at $18 mil a year. Fournier should be in that $17-$18 mil range - that sounds about right..

[Hal14]

15 roster spots. IMO this is what I would do for a team next season if I'm Ainge. I'd give those 15 spots to these guys (in no particular order)

1. Tatum
2. Brown
3. Walker
4. Smart
5. Fournier
6. Time Lord
7. Thompson
8. Parker
9. Pritchard
10. Langford
11. Madar
12. Kornet
13. Nesmith
14. Grant
15. 2021 1st round pick

Fall and Waters, you can bring them back on 2 way contracts, or drop them, I don't really care.

Basically what I'm saying is you run it back. It's the exact roster we have now except we waive Edwards and Ojeleye and replace them with Madar and whoever we pick in the 1st round this year. Let's face it, Edwards and Ojeleye are dead weight. They're no good. Madar could be a really special player in this league and we should be able to get a decent player in the 15-20 range who will almost definitely be better than Edwards/Ojeleye. Teams never cut a top 20 pick, right? I figure we go for a guy in the draft with high upside, a 3 and D guy, or a combo forward, or a stretch 4..

Why run it back? I'm telling you. This team could be freaking scary. We just need
a) another year to develop the chemistry/continuity, another year for all of these young guys to improve, another year for Parker and Fournier to get used to the system, another year for Pritchard to get more comfortable, Langford to get more comfortable, Nesmith to get more comfortable, Tatum and Brown to develop more as leaders, develop more with knowing when to take over and when to defer, another year for Time Lord to keep improving his game and his health
b) Another year to have better health. It can't get any worse than this season in terms of losing guys to injury/illness and never having a full team. We still have played exactly 0 games with the top 7 guys listed above all together. Next season COVID will be far less of an issue, injuries can't get any worse and also it won't be nearly as condensed of a schedule next year with so many back to backs. And with how healthy Kemba has looked lately and with a full offseason to rest, he should be able to play back to backs next year (there won't be nearly as many next year anyways)

Not to mention that next year the Nets and Lakers (both with aging stars) will be another year older.

I say we run it back, with the 15 guys listed above. Only question is, could we field that team of 15 and stay under the cap?

[bucknersrevenge]

15 roster spots. IMO this is what I would do for a team next season if I'm Ainge. I'd give those 15 spots to these guys (in no particular order)

1. Tatum
2. Brown
3. Walker
4. Smart
5. Fournier
6. Time Lord
7. Thompson
8. Parker
9. Pritchard
10. Langford
11. Madar
12. Kornet
13. Nesmith
14. Grant
15. 2021 1st round pick

Fall and Waters, you can bring them back on 2 way contracts, or drop them, I don't really care.

Basically what I'm saying is you run it back. It's the exact roster we have now except we waive Edwards and Ojeleye and replace them with Madar and whoever we pick in the 1st round this year. Let's face it, Edwards and Ojeleye are dead weight. They're no good. Madar could be a really special player in this league and we should be able to get a decent player in the 15-20 range who will almost definitely be better than Edwards/Ojeleye. Teams never cut a top 20 pick, right? I figure we go for a guy in the draft with high upside, a 3 and D guy, or a combo forward, or a stretch 4..

Why run it back? I'm telling you. This team could be freaking scary. We just need
a) another year to develop the chemistry/continuity, another year for all of these young guys to improve, another year for Parker and Fournier to get used to the system, another year for Pritchard to get more comfortable, Langford to get more comfortable, Nesmith to get more comfortable, Tatum and Brown to develop more as leaders, develop more with knowing when to take over and when to defer, another year for Time Lord to keep improving his game and his health
b) Another year to have better health. It can't get any worse than this season in terms of losing guys to injury/illness and never having a full team. We still have played exactly 0 games with the top 7 guys listed above all together. Next season COVID will be far less of an issue, injuries can't get any worse and also it won't be nearly as condensed of a schedule next year with so many back to backs. And with how healthy Kemba has looked lately and with a full offseason to rest, he should be able to play back to backs next year (there won't be nearly as many next year anyways)

Not to mention that next year the Nets and Lakers (both with aging stars) will be another year older.

I say we run it back, with the 15 guys listed above. Only question is, could we field that team of 15 and stay under the cap?

Under the cap? That roster is WAY over the salary cap and way over the luxury tax. Probably by about 25M

[Hal14]

15 roster spots. IMO this is what I would do for a team next season if I'm Ainge. I'd give those 15 spots to these guys (in no particular order)

1. Tatum
2. Brown
3. Walker
4. Smart
5. Fournier
6. Time Lord
7. Thompson
8. Parker
9. Pritchard
10. Langford
11. Madar
12. Kornet
13. Nesmith
14. Grant
15. 2021 1st round pick

Fall and Waters, you can bring them back on 2 way contracts, or drop them, I don't really care.

Basically what I'm saying is you run it back. It's the exact roster we have now except we waive Edwards and Ojeleye and replace them with Madar and whoever we pick in the 1st round this year. Let's face it, Edwards and Ojeleye are dead weight. They're no good. Madar could be a really special player in this league and we should be able to get a decent player in the 15-20 range who will almost definitely be better than Edwards/Ojeleye. Teams never cut a top 20 pick, right? I figure we go for a guy in the draft with high upside, a 3 and D guy, or a combo forward, or a stretch 4..

Why run it back? I'm telling you. This team could be freaking scary. We just need
a) another year to develop the chemistry/continuity, another year for all of these young guys to improve, another year for Parker and Fournier to get used to the system, another year for Pritchard to get more comfortable, Langford to get more comfortable, Nesmith to get more comfortable, Tatum and Brown to develop more as leaders, develop more with knowing when to take over and when to defer, another year for Time Lord to keep improving his game and his health
b) Another year to have better health. It can't get any worse than this season in terms of losing guys to injury/illness and never having a full team. We still have played exactly 0 games with the top 7 guys listed above all together. Next season COVID will be far less of an issue, injuries can't get any worse and also it won't be nearly as condensed of a schedule next year with so many back to backs. And with how healthy Kemba has looked lately and with a full offseason to rest, he should be able to play back to backs next year (there won't be nearly as many next year anyways)

Not to mention that next year the Nets and Lakers (both with aging stars) will be another year older.

I say we run it back, with the 15 guys listed above. Only question is, could we field that team of 15 and stay under the cap?

Under the cap? That roster is WAY over the salary cap and way over the luxury tax. Probably by about 25M

Well shoot, the cap is too confusing, lol I figure if we're under the cap now and all we're doing is dropping semi + edwards and adding Madar + 1st round pick then why not?

[Westy]

Horford and Fournier would approximately occupy the same salary ($46mm) total as Walker and Thompson, but which duo would work better with Tatum-Brown-Smart?

I agree that the C’s will not dive $25mm into the tax, but if they keep the roster intact minus Fournier, then the additions would be the first round pick, a third big, and a ball handler or wing, depending on the draft pick. That should put them about $10mm into tax, unless Tatum makes All-NBA, in which case add $5.5mm.

[Fencer reregistered]

15 roster spots. IMO this is what I would do for a team next season if I'm Ainge. I'd give those 15 spots to these guys (in no particular order)

1. Tatum
2. Brown
3. Walker
4. Smart
5. Fournier
6. Time Lord
7. Thompson
8. Parker
9. Pritchard
10. Langford
11. Madar
12. Kornet
13. Nesmith
14. Grant
15. 2021 1st round pick

Fall and Waters, you can bring them back on 2 way contracts, or drop them, I don't really care.

Basically what I'm saying is you run it back. It's the exact roster we have now except we waive Edwards and Ojeleye and replace them with Madar and whoever we pick in the 1st round this year. Let's face it, Edwards and Ojeleye are dead weight. They're no good. Madar could be a really special player in this league and we should be able to get a decent player in the 15-20 range who will almost definitely be better than Edwards/Ojeleye. Teams never cut a top 20 pick, right? I figure we go for a guy in the draft with high upside, a 3 and D guy, or a combo forward, or a stretch 4..

Why run it back? I'm telling you. This team could be freaking scary. We just need
a) another year to develop the chemistry/continuity, another year for all of these young guys to improve, another year for Parker and Fournier to get used to the system, another year for Pritchard to get more comfortable, Langford to get more comfortable, Nesmith to get more comfortable, Tatum and Brown to develop more as leaders, develop more with knowing when to take over and when to defer, another year for Time Lord to keep improving his game and his health
b) Another year to have better health. It can't get any worse than this season in terms of losing guys to injury/illness and never having a full team. We still have played exactly 0 games with the top 7 guys listed above all together. Next season COVID will be far less of an issue, injuries can't get any worse and also it won't be nearly as condensed of a schedule next year with so many back to backs. And with how healthy Kemba has looked lately and with a full offseason to rest, he should be able to play back to backs next year (there won't be nearly as many next year anyways)

Not to mention that next year the Nets and Lakers (both with aging stars) will be another year older.

I say we run it back, with the 15 guys listed above. Only question is, could we field that team of 15 and stay under the cap?

Under the cap? That roster is WAY over the salary cap and way over the luxury tax. Probably by about 25M

Well shoot, the cap is too confusing, lol I figure if we're under the cap now and all we're doing is dropping semi + edwards and adding Madar + 1st round pick then why not?

Two main reasons:

1. Almost everybody gets annual raises, but the cap won't grow next year.

2. There will be a huge jump in Tatum's pay, as he starts his second contract.

[djFan71]

Under the cap? That roster is WAY over the salary cap and way over the luxury tax. Probably by about 25M

Well shoot, the cap is too confusing, lol I figure if we're under the cap now and all we're doing is dropping semi + edwards and adding Madar + 1st round pick then why not?

Two main reasons:

1. Almost everybody gets annual raises, but the cap won't grow next year.

2. There will be a huge jump in Tatum's pay, as he starts his second contract.

3. We're not under the cap now. We're only a few dollars under the lux tax line.

[Hal14]

Well shoot, the cap is too confusing, lol I figure if we're under the cap now and all we're doing is dropping semi + edwards and adding Madar + 1st round pick then why not?

Two main reasons:

1. Almost everybody gets annual raises, but the cap won't grow next year.

2. There will be a huge jump in Tatum's pay, as he starts his second contract.

3. We're not under the cap now. We're only a few dollars under the lux tax line.

Oh man, bummer. That makes it hard for Ainge. So it sounds like someone has to go....sounds like between Fournier/Tatum/Brown/Smart/Thompson/Walker one of them has to go this offseason, and there's no way we could bring back all 6 of them..obviously we're not gonna trade Tatum/brown so it sounds like only way we could resign Fournier is if we're somehow able to trade either Smart/Thompson/Walker..

[Fencer reregistered]

Two main reasons:

1. Almost everybody gets annual raises, but the cap won't grow next year.

2. There will be a huge jump in Tatum's pay, as he starts his second contract.

3. We're not under the cap now. We're only a few dollars under the lux tax line.

Oh man, bummer. That makes it hard for Ainge. So it sounds like someone has to go....sounds like between Fournier/Tatum/Brown/Smart/Thompson/Walker one of them has to go this offseason, and there's no way we could bring back all 6 of them..obviously we're not gonna trade Tatum/brown so it sounds like only way we could resign Fournier is if we're somehow able to trade either Smart/Thompson/Walker..

Contrary to what other folks think, I believe ownership will be fine with bringing them all back.

[GoGreen]

I hope that whatever happens this off season I never need to watch Can't Williams attempt to play the game of basketball in Celtic green ever again

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I hope that whatever happens this off season I never need to watch Can't Williams attempt to play the game of basketball in Celtic green ever again

He's at least better than Semi. Well, maybe equal to Semi.

How about we make it a point to get rid of Grant, Semi and anyone who is not as good as Grant or Semi this offseason? So that would mean getting rid of Grant, Semi, Waters, Tacko and Edwards..

[Fencer reregistered]

I hope that whatever happens this off season I never need to watch Can't Williams attempt to play the game of basketball in Celtic green ever again

He's at least better than Semi. Well, maybe equal to Semi.

How about we make it a point to get rid of Grant, Semi and anyone who is not as good as Grant or Semi this offseason? So that would mean getting rid of Grant, Semi, Waters, Tacko and Edwards..

And replace them with what? Minimum salary guys as good as Teague?

[keevsnick1]

Joe Harris got $17M/year and I think he's a better shooter, which is the primary skill set Fournier will be paid for. And he signed going into age 29 season just like Fournier will. So I think a little off that for Fournier seems reasonable. But we shall see... I could see teams like DAL, MEM, or SA offering money to Fournier for sure. I think SA would rather just re-sign DeRozen though. DAL I see trying to keep flexibility for bigger moves. MEM is the biggest threat to pay him, IMO. TOR could get involved if they let Lowry go but opt for a quick rebuild, though they do have Gary Trent Jr to re-sign now.

Just in general, I look at he FA market, and I think guys like Gary Trent Jr and Normal Powell will be ranked higher because I see more upside. For teams looking for a vet scorer, provided they have the shooting around them, I think DeRozen will rank higher. Oubre is out there as well who is also younger. Josh Richardson maybe doesn't bring the scoring but is probably a better all around player. Only so many teams have cap space, and depending on the stage of team development they are in or the specific skill set they're looking for, I see many attractive alternatives to Fournier at $17-20M/year into his 30s. But again, we shall see.

Well crafted response here. Toronto would be interesting. Don't they get Trent's Bird rights though? Or are those not attached anymore. He would make an interesting fit there. As for Harris, I see him as more of a specialist than Fournier. Harris seems more Duncan Robinson. While Fournier seems more Hayward/Caris Levert-esque maybe. Sure the shooting will be the most important skillset, But I suspect what Brad has in mind for him assuming he comes back next season is more secondary playmaking, especially with 2nd units. That's why I tend to think he's going to be worth more. And FWIW, here's my "bold prediction of the day". Our current starting backcourt will be on different teams next year. Nothing to base that on but a hunch based on the math.

I believe that TOR got GTJ's bird rights and he will be an RFA. But similar to Bogi in ATL last year, I think he's an RFA that someone will make a big offer to and put the pressure on TOR. Basically, I can't see TOR paying both GTJ and Fournier, and if they're only paying one, I can't see them choosing Fournier. Even if they do let GTJ walk, to sign Fournier with cap space you'd need to renounce Lowry. And then you'd be maxed out financially with Siakam, FVV, Fournier and Anunoby. Seems like poor management to me and they have a great GM.

We'll see though. I don't rule out Fournier getting a bag from somewhere. I really do have a hard time seeing him getting more than the $17M/year he's making now but it wouldn't shock me.

Also, I can totally see your bold prediction being true. Fournier could walk like we've said. Kemba I can definitely see being moved if they get the right financial relief (Knicks most likely destination there) or breaking him down into a few lesser but well-fitting and easier to trade individually role players (i.e. LA Clippers). Smart is entering into the last year of his deal. Re-signing him would mean no FA flexibility around the J's and being committed to operating as an over the cap team. If they do let Smart walk there's an opportunity for cap space, and if you want to go that route makes sense to move him before it comes to that.

Danny knows he needs to put together rosters that convince Tatum/Brown that they can win titles here. We all see how the league is with stars recruiting stars. Ainge can't be kidding himself into thinking that Tatum/Brown can't be a part of that. And you want o make sure they're on the recruiting side rather than the being recruited sign. This team is clearly deficient compared to the elite of the elite and Ainge needs to be aggressive in fixing that.

I have a really hard time believing he WON'T.

Bogdanovic got 4/72 as a RFA despite scoring 14.1 and 15.1 the previous two seasons.

Harris got 4/72 guaranteed, with 3 million in incentives despite scoring 13.7 and 14.5 the previous two seasons.

Fournier is coming off 18.5 and currently 18.6. He's a better passer than Harris or Norman Powell, and also has a longer track record than any of these guys with 6 straight years of more than 15ppg. none of the rest of these guys have/had more than two years at higher than 13.5 ppg before signing.

Again, guys like this tend to get overpaid. I think 4/80 isnt out of the question for him. I certainly hope we can get him for less, it would help a lot, but i dont think its smart to project it at this point.

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I hope that whatever happens this off season I never need to watch Can't Williams attempt to play the game of basketball in Celtic green ever again

He's at least better than Semi. Well, maybe equal to Semi.

How about we make it a point to get rid of Grant, Semi and anyone who is not as good as Grant or Semi this offseason? So that would mean getting rid of Grant, Semi, Waters, Tacko and Edwards..

And replace them with what? Minimum salary guys as good as Teague?

Replace them with Madar, whoever we draft in the 1st round this year and the remaining spots we let those guys I mentioned compete with whoever we draft in 2nd round along with any veteran minimum guys we might sign in the offseason for the remaining spots..I think we'll be in good shape with Tatum/Brown/Walker/Fournier/Smart/Time Lord/Thompson/Langford/Parker/Pritchard/Madar/Kornet/1st round pick/Nesmith as our top 14 guys..

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Can you imagine what our medical staff would’ve done with Harden if we traded for him?

He would’ve retired by now.

Bullet dodged, thankfully I was never onboard with trading for Harden like MagicBagley and other were... there’s no evidence of me wanting Harden on this team.

[Feed Your Head]

Can you imagine what our medical staff would’ve done with Harden if we traded for him?

He would’ve probably clinched mvp by now.

Bullet to the heart, thankfully I was always onboard with trading for Harden like MagicBagley and other were... there’s endless evidence of me wanting Harden on this team.

[MagicBagley18]

Gimme me harden and that hamstring

[Fierce1]

James Harden is a short-term fix.

It's a 3-year window at best.

What the current Celts have right now will put the Celts in contention for the next 10 years.

The cons of trading for Harden outweighed the pros.