Stephen Curry has been totally exposed

[clyde21]

I just want to thank everyone from both sides for getting this thread to over 100 pages. Bless.

Just goes to show you that anything is possible when you believe and commit your self!

next bad Steph game this will get to 150 watch

[Onlytimewilltel]

I just want to thank everyone from both sides for getting this thread to over 100 pages. Bless.

Just goes to show you that anything is possible when you believe and commit your self!

next bad Steph game this will get to 150 watch

It’s the gift that keeps on giving

[HeartBreakKid]

He's still a great player, GOAT shooter no doubt but I wonder what records others GOATish players in history could achieve with this Warriors team?

Could they elevate them above a 9th seed? I'm legitimately curious if '91 Jordan or '18 LeBron, '91 Magic, '94 Hakeem were there in place of Steph?

A great player also elevates the whole team around them.

Jordan and Lebron would squeeze out a few extra wins, maybe Kareem and Shaq too. But that's about it. There are few players in history who have had a greater impact on winning than Curry.

We saw Jordan have his highest scoring season in 1987 and lead his team to a 40-42 record. We saw LeBron in 2019 with the Lakers miss the playoffs. There is no real basis upon which to presume they would do better in Curry's position.

uh....the Lakers missed the playoffs because Lebron got injured, before that they were easily going to make the playoffs they were like the 3rd seed.

LBJ has carried crappy teams to good records before. Dont be a homer.

[WarriorGM]

Jordan and Lebron would squeeze out a few extra wins, maybe Kareem and Shaq too. But that's about it. There are few players in history who have had a greater impact on winning than Curry.

We saw Jordan have his highest scoring season in 1987 and lead his team to a 40-42 record. We saw LeBron in 2019 with the Lakers miss the playoffs. There is no real basis upon which to presume they would do better in Curry's position.

uh....the Lakers missed the playoffs because Lebron got injured, before that they were easily going to make the playoffs they were like the 3rd seed.

LBJ has carried crappy teams to good records before. Dont be a homer.

The point in question is not if LeBron can carry a team, it's if he can carry a team better than Curry. I don't see enough to show that. I consider LeBron's supposed superiority as a floor raiser as largely a narrative construct.

Compare Curry's and LeBron's On-Off numbers and I don't see a significant difference. Indeed I notice Curry's career On-Off is higher than LeBron's.

Steph:

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Season    Age  Tm  Lg Pos   G    MP  PG%  SG%  SF%  PF%   C% OnCourt On-Off
2009-10    21 GSW NBA  PG  80  2896  64%                 36%    -3.2   +2.2
2010-11    22 GSW NBA  PG  74  2489                     100%    -1.1   +4.6
2011-12    23 GSW NBA  PG  26   732  96%                  5%    +4.8  +10.9
2012-13    24 GSW NBA  PG  78  2983                     100%    +1.7   +2.7
2013-14    25 GSW NBA  PG  78  2846  93%                  7%    +9.2  +15.1
2014-15    26 GSW NBA  PG  80  2613                     100%   +16.7  +18.1
2015-16    27 GSW NBA  PG  79  2700                     100%   +18.0  +22.6
2016-17    28 GSW NBA  PG  79  2638                     100%   +17.1  +17.2
2017-18    29 GSW NBA  PG  51  1631  99%                  1%   +13.2  +12.1
2018-19    30 GSW NBA  PG  69  2331  98%                  2%   +13.2  +16.2
2019-20    31 GSW NBA  PG   5   139                     100%   -14.9   -6.4
2020-21    32 GSW NBA  PG  50  1701  86%                 14%    +2.9   +9.4
Career                NBA 749 25699  94%                  6%    +8.4  +11.8


LeBron:

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Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G    MP  PG%  SG%  SF%  PF%   C% OnCourt On-Off
2003-04      19 CLE NBA  SG   79  3122  14%  74%            11%    -2.6   +2.2
2004-05      20 CLE NBA  SF   80            3388  95%        4%    +2.1   +8.8
2005-06      21 CLE NBA  SF   79       3361   1%  97%        2%    +4.1  +10.4
2006-07      22 CLE NBA  SF   78            3190  96%        4%    +6.2   +8.8
2007-08      23 CLE NBA  SF   75            3027  77%  23%   1%    +2.4  +10.9
2008-09      24 CLE NBA  SF   81            3054  74%       26%   +15.0  +21.2
2009-10      25 CLE NBA  SF   76       2966   1%  84%       15%   +11.5  +16.8
2010-11      26 MIA NBA  SF   79            3063  81%       19%   +10.6   +9.0
2011-12      27 MIA NBA  SF   62            2326  74%       26%   +10.4  +14.0
2012-13      28 MIA NBA  PF   76            2877   9%  82%   9%   +13.2  +15.3
2013-14      29 MIA NBA  PF   77            2902  12%  83%   5%    +7.2   +7.0
2014-15      30 CLE NBA  SF   69            2493  77%       23%   +10.8  +16.6
2015-16      31 CLE NBA  SF   76            2709  77%       23%   +11.5  +15.8
2016-17      32 CLE NBA  SF   74       2794   1%  61%  35%   3%    +8.4  +17.3
2017-18      33 CLE NBA  PF   82            3026  37%  61%   2%    +1.4   +1.9
2018-19      34 LAL NBA  SF   55            1937  64%  34%   3%    +2.3   +8.1
2019-20      35 LAL NBA  PG   67  2316  57%  37%             7%    +9.0   +9.9
2020-21      36 LAL NBA  PG   41  1388  73%                 27%    +9.3  +11.1
Career                  NBA 1306 49939   6%   7%  60%  26%   1%    +7.2  +11.3
                                                                             
11 seasons      CLE     NBA  849 33130   1%   7%  72%  19%   1%    +6.2  +11.6
4 seasons       MIA     NBA  294           11168  43%  53%   4%   +10.4  +11.2
3 seasons       LAL     NBA  163  5641  41%  22%  25%  12%   1%    +6.8   +9.6


Source: Basketball-Reference.com - View Original Table for Steph - View Original Table for LeBron
Generated 4/21/2021.

As for the 2019 Lakers, enough people were paying attention to know the real story. The Lakers were a 35-win team before James joined and finished as a 37-win team with him (Curry in comparison is making do with a sub-20-win team without him). The Lakers had a very easy schedule early on and that's why they peaked with what appears to be a high seed barely ahead of a number of teams bunched up behind them but then they very quickly fell behind once the schedule got tougher. LeBron activated "playoff mode" and got nowhere then sat out the rest of the season with a groin injury that we don't really know when or how he got.

Of course, as is the case with LeBron more often than not, there was more to the story. Trade rumors surfaced during the season that all his teammates were on the block for a superstar trade that would see them shipped off in return for Anthony Davis. Everyone knowing what LeBron is about, this destroyed his teammates' morale. Surprise, surprise, a few months later most of them were indeed traded to the Pelicans for Anthony Davis and the next year the Lakers go on to win the championship. Since one circumstance directly fed into the other and James seems to get full credit for the championship I see no reason to not assign full responsibility for the failure to reach the playoffs in 2019 on him as well.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Jordan and Lebron would squeeze out a few extra wins, maybe Kareem and Shaq too. But that's about it. There are few players in history who have had a greater impact on winning than Curry.

We saw Jordan have his highest scoring season in 1987 and lead his team to a 40-42 record. We saw LeBron in 2019 with the Lakers miss the playoffs. There is no real basis upon which to presume they would do better in Curry's position.

uh....the Lakers missed the playoffs because Lebron got injured, before that they were easily going to make the playoffs they were like the 3rd seed.

LBJ has carried crappy teams to good records before. Dont be a homer.

Lakers had a 20-14 record when LeBron got hurt and had one of the easiest schedules in the league.

Over the full course of a season that would give them 48 wins.

This would tie them for 8th in the West at the end of the season. Might even miss it depending on the head to heads.

Thats assuming they continued to win at the pace they did on their easy schedule.

Its utter delusion to believe the 2019 Lakers would finish anything close to the 4 seed that season based on a few months in the season record.

LeBron did not even have a serious injury and they finished .500 with him in the lineup.

This is worse than how the Warriors did with Curry, who is 28-22 on the season.

Not to say that Curry is as good as LeBron. But this idea that anyone can just carry a bad team to a good record is complete nonsese.

And Curry's roster this year is objectively worse than any team LeBron has ever had since his first few years in the league.

[michaelm]

Next time use google search first before hitting send. Your memory either sucks or is very selective

maybe volume but not nearly the same level of efficient shooting

Sure. They’re both incredible fears yet people have decided that they need to back their favourite player of the 2 and claim one is clearly better than the other. There is a 3rd answer here, both feats are incredible.

Regardless, I was only addressing the false claim that we’ve never seen something like this before when it happened just 2 seasons ago.

Yes Harden has had a run of similar regular season offensive impact, and others not far short of it, by a different method. There seems to be some preference for Curry’s methodology, although there are those who don’t like how he plays either and consider him to be too flashy/ a player who hot dogs it. Offensive production is offensive production regardless anyway.

Harden has great pure PG skills which might be better than Curry’s, which doesn’t make Curry’s PG skills less than excellent. A great case exists for Harden being an historically potent floor raiser as well.

I don’t accept that Harden averaging more assists makes him better than Curry though, Curry can and has averaged more assists, it is just that having him be the primary playmaker more than he has been for a number of years now doesn’t maximise his contribution given his off ball ability. Both of them have mostly been used in their prime in the way that maximally advantages their respective teams, and it is very clear now that Harden was playing Moreyball rather than Hardenball at Houston, with Moreyball itself quite probably devised to suit the Houston roster.

Wouldn’t mind seeing Clint Capela next to Curry though.

[TinmanZBoy]

Brewing tonight

[DroseReturnChi]

I just want to thank everyone from both sides for getting this thread to over 100 pages. Bless.

Just goes to show you that anything is possible when you believe and commit your self!

next bad Steph game this will get to 150 watch

so why cant i post whenver he has bad game? thats still being exposed right?
and btw, if warriors dont make 8th seed steph is still being exposed.
not even joking thats a minimum bar expected from all time greats.

[DroseReturnChi]

He's still a great player, GOAT shooter no doubt but I wonder what records others GOATish players in history could achieve with this Warriors team?

Could they elevate them above a 9th seed? I'm legitimately curious if '91 Jordan or '18 LeBron, '91 Magic, '94 Hakeem were there in place of Steph?

A great player also elevates the whole team around them.

thats my point. leron, mj, harden would make playoffs with eyes closed. but steph cant.
he needs more help like lebron not to win rings, but make the playoffs. what a joke. and im not even lebron guy.

[clyde21]

Just goes to show you that anything is possible when you believe and commit your self!

next bad Steph game this will get to 150 watch

so why cant i post whenver he has bad game? thats still being exposed right?
and btw, if warriors dont make 8th seed steph is still being exposed.
not even joking thats a minimum bar expected from all time greats.

i don't understand...are you saying that Steph isn't allowed to have bad games?

[clyde21]

Jordan and Lebron would squeeze out a few extra wins, maybe Kareem and Shaq too. But that's about it. There are few players in history who have had a greater impact on winning than Curry.

We saw Jordan have his highest scoring season in 1987 and lead his team to a 40-42 record. We saw LeBron in 2019 with the Lakers miss the playoffs. There is no real basis upon which to presume they would do better in Curry's position.

uh....the Lakers missed the playoffs because Lebron got injured, before that they were easily going to make the playoffs they were like the 3rd seed.

LBJ has carried crappy teams to good records before. Dont be a homer.

the Warriors with Steph in the lineup would be the 4th seed in the east lol

[MindState]

Warriors now 1-8 without Curry on the year. Dont know who was wearing his jersey tonight but it wasnt him.

[infinite11285]

I believe this is the first troll thread to exceed 100 pages in the GB’s history.

Take a bow, Pharm.

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