Nets @ Pelicans | 4.20.2021 @ &:30 PM on TNT/YES2

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie averages 27/5/6 on 51/39/91 with a TS% of 61%. 25 PER. That is elite production and efficiency.

All this crap about mamba mentality and all that is just non quantifiable bull ****. Kyrie is one of the top players in this league, period. I don't know what Kyrie did to hurt GTR11's feelings but the facts say otherwise.

[DarkXaero]

Kyrie has been a top 10 player in this league this season when he has been available. He's having a historic, all-time great season from a guard. It just happens to be at the same time that Dame and Steph (especially Steph) are putting up even bigger numbers. If Kyrie could get to the free throw line on the regular, he'd be right up there with them, that's the only thing that holds him back. But in terms of pure shot creation ability, he's elite in the league and playing the best/most efficient basketball of his career.

[Whiskey Slick]

I thought we signed Mike James?

Then how come he didn't suit-up verses the Pelicans?

Especially with the re-injury to Harden, I hope we make this official ASAP. We need the depth at G.

Long quarantine required as he came from Europe.

Ahhh Gotcha. Thanks Fallout.

[Prokorov]

Talking to the damn wall here . This guy can only read what he likes and want to see.

Ones we put that zone entire NOP team started to have stretches when they couldn't score. I wonder why. S

They scored 129 points. We did nothing to slow them. we simply outscored them and relied on kyrie to hero-ball us to a win late. Zion didnt have empty stats either. he had 11 points during their 16-0 run to build their first half lead, then had 7 points including an and-1 under 40 seconds to make it a 1 point game.

[Prokorov]

Wow you saying teams happen to win sometime. I've seen Beal does that too, he did it vs us several times. How often that happens?

It is not "sometime." It's often. We have the 4th best record in the NBA and 39 wins. This isnt a rarity like it is with Beal, it is a common occurrence. Beal doesn't lead the NBA in 4th quarter scoring the past 5 seasons. Beal isnt top 3 in 4th quarter scoring this season. Beal is the "sometimes", Kyrie is "most of the time"

Tell me one thing here. If we replace Harden with Kyrie during that winning streak or where he miss or goes mia, do we win those games. Do we win games like PHX?

maybe? I think we would have the same 4-2 record as we do when harden doesnt play or similar. I mean:

When only Harden plays: 4-2
Beat Suns
Beat Blazers
Beat Pistons
Beat Pacers

When only Kyrie plays: 4-2
Beat Jazz
Beat Knicks
Beat Hornets
Beat Pelicans

Identical records when its just Kyrie or just Harden. Both guys beat 3 playoff teams including 1 elite team. I cant say for sure Kyrie beats the suns since alot of it is about matchups. But we have certainly been very good when only Kyrie plays and beaten good teams. The Idea that with just Kyrie we are some doormat or cant compete is absurd.

Are Wizards better team with Kyrie instead of Beal?

Of course.

And dont come at me with things like I'm calling Kyrie trash, I already said he's not. My point is that Kyrie having up and down season and not reliable for my liking. If not for Harden we picking in top ten.

Stop it. you called him a mental midget who only shows up vs sub .500 teams

[Prokorov]

I thought we signed Mike James?

Then how come he didn't suit-up verses the Pelicans?

Especially with the re-injury to Harden, I hope we make this official ASAP. We need the depth at G.

He i believe is overseas. He would need to fly to the US, which i assume takes some work with all the travel restrictions. Then he needs to quarantine and pass 2 negative tests.

Even if he was already im Brooklyn he would required quarantine + 2 tests. He is on the same timeline as perry/claxton if he is already signed and in brooklyn. needs to go through covid protocols.

I also dont think he officially signed, its just imminent.

[Prokorov]

Meh, if we’re not taking missed games into account, I already named 11 guys that all but the biggest Nets homers would agree are clearly better than Kyrie, and there are a bunch of players around the league that are right around his level and who you could certainly argue are better. So saying he’s top 10-12 at worst is more homerism than objective fact. The truth is that he’s more in the 15-20 range.

I just sow Tatum going vs Curry ( who's having incredible stretch ) and pulling W. Saltics two better players getting hot at the right time while our two best players can't even log a damn min.

Did you see what Kyrie did to Boston twice already this year? he is averaging 39 points on 77 TS%. vs boston.

Not one sober minded person wouldn't be concerned where we are at this point. Barley winning vs sub 500 team don't exactly give me boost of confidence.

People are concerned with health of harden/KD. no one thinks we can win a title without at least Harden/Kyrie and it will probably take all 3.

But lets not pretend thats what you have been ranting about. you called kyrie a mental midget who shrinks in the big moments

[MrDollarBills]

Wow you saying teams happen to win sometime. I've seen Beal does that too, he did it vs us several times. How often that happens?

It is not "sometime." It's often. We have the 4th best record in the NBA and 39 wins. This isnt a rarity like it is with Beal, it is a common occurrence. Beal doesn't lead the NBA in 4th quarter scoring the past 5 seasons. Beal isnt top 3 in 4th quarter scoring this season. Beal is the "sometimes", Kyrie is "most of the time"

Tell me one thing here. If we replace Harden with Kyrie during that winning streak or where he miss or goes mia, do we win those games. Do we win games like PHX?

maybe? I think we would have the same 4-2 record as we do when harden doesnt play or similar. I mean:

When only Harden plays: 4-2
Beat Suns
Beat Blazers
Beat Pistons
Beat Pacers

When only Kyrie plays: 4-2
Beat Jazz
Beat Knicks
Beat Hornets
Beat Pelicans

Identical records when its just Kyrie or just Harden. Both guys beat 3 playoff teams including 1 elite team. I cant say for sure Kyrie beats the suns since alot of it is about matchups. But we have certainly been very good when only Kyrie plays and beaten good teams. The Idea that with just Kyrie we are some doormat or cant compete is absurd.

Are Wizards better team with Kyrie instead of Beal?

Of course.

And dont come at me with things like I'm calling Kyrie trash, I already said he's not. My point is that Kyrie having up and down season and not reliable for my liking. If not for Harden we picking in top ten.

Stop it. you called him a mental midget who only shows up vs sub .500 teams

@ 27/5/6 on 51/39/91 with a TS% of 61% being an "up and down season" !!!!!!!! what in the world????? this might literally be the best season out of any guard to ever wear a Nets uniform not named JAMES HARDEN.

[Fallout_3]

I thought we signed Mike James?

Then how come he didn't suit-up verses the Pelicans?

Especially with the re-injury to Harden, I hope we make this official ASAP. We need the depth at G.

He i believe is overseas. He would need to fly to the US, which i assume takes some work with all the travel restrictions. Then he needs to quarantine and pass 2 negative tests.

Even if he was already im Brooklyn he would required quarantine + 2 tests. He is on the same timeline as perry/claxton if he is already signed and in brooklyn. needs to go through covid protocols.

I also dont think he officially signed, its just imminent.

He's already in NY.

[Whiskey Slick]

My take on Kyrie has been the same since he started pulling his MIA stints.

GREAT PLAYER, I've even compared him to Isaiah talent-wise, which unless you're too young to have seen Isaiah you know that's about a big a compliment as I can give him from a talent perspective. But as far as the Mamba mentality, which Isaiah had in spades as well (dude played in the finals with a high ankle sprain, the kind that keeps players out from 6 to 8 weeks, and played at a high level too), but I digress. If you can tell me about all the times Kobe went MIA in his career much less a season, or even the ONE TIME perhaps other than the birth of his child, then we can talk about Kyrie and Kobe in the same breath, strictly from the Mamba mentality perspective. Some of us are old enough to remember when Isaiah played with a high ankle sprain or Larry with a shredded spinal cord, or Michael with a high fever. I'm not one of those old-timers who says you NEVER see that anymore, but we sure as hell don't see it from a player who disappears every time it's his third cousins birthday.

[Prokorov]

My take on Kyrie has been the same since he started pulling his MIA stints.

GREAT PLAYER, I've even compared him to Isaiah talent-wise, which unless you're too young to have seen Isaiah you know that's about a big a compliment as I can give him from a talent perspective. But as far as the Mamba mentality, which Isaiah had in spades as well (dude played in the finals with a high ankle sprain, the kind that keeps players out from 6 to 8 weeks, and played at a high level too), but I digress. If you can tell me about all the times Kobe went MIA is his career much less a season, or even the ONE TIME perhaps other than the birth of his child, then we can talk about Kyrie and Kobe in the same breath, strictly from the Mamba mentality perspective. Some of us are old enough to remember when Isaiah played with a high ankle sprain or Larry with a shredded spinal cord, or Michael with a high fever. I'm not one of those old-timers who says you NEVER see that anymore, but we sure as hell don't see it from a player who disappears every time it's his third cousins birthday.

Kyrie played through injuries in the finals too. So he isnt as tough as Isiah... who is really? that dude had like GOAT toughness. Kobe missed time for his kids birth. so did kyrie. The majority of Kyries missed time was due to injury. if you want to say kobe missed less time sure. but Kyrie is 6 inchs shorter and 40 pounds lighter and goes to the rim and gets knocked to the floor a ton. he is always gonna miss more time to injury.

This is really the only year kyrie has missed extensive time for personal reasons. and really, it was for family reasons/birth of his kid during a pandemic, during insane civil unrest. Not exactly apples to apples with Kobe. and even if he falls short of kobe, again, other then maybe MJ who else is on kobes level as a killer?

Kyrie certainly steps up in big spots and on big stages and wants the ball when it matters. he has shown he will play hurt too. in fact doing so may have cost him most of last season

[gigantes]

My take on Kyrie has been the same since he started pulling his MIA stints.

GREAT PLAYER, I've even compared him to Isaiah talent-wise, which unless you're too young to have seen Isaiah you know that's about a big a compliment as I can give him from a talent perspective. But as far as the Mamba mentality, which Isaiah had in spades as well (dude played in the finals with a high ankle sprain, the kind that keeps players out from 6 to 8 weeks, and played at a high level too), but I digress. If you can tell me about all the times Kobe went MIA is his career much less a season, or even the ONE TIME perhaps other than the birth of his child, then we can talk about Kyrie and Kobe in the same breath, strictly from the Mamba mentality perspective. Some of us are old enough to remember when Isaiah played with a high ankle sprain or Larry with a shredded spinal cord, or Michael with a high fever. I'm not one of those old-timers who says you NEVER see that anymore, but we sure as hell don't see it from a player who disappears every time it's his third cousins birthday.

As far as pulling a disappearing act at times (either mentally or physically), it's a fair knock on Kyrie IMO.

He went through an extensive stretch of non-communication with his teammates in CLE. He also bailed on on a championship team that had gone to the finals 3x. I'm not going to beat him up for whatever happened in BOS, but something was obviously off a bit. And promising to re-sign then reneging isn't the end of the world, but it wasn't a good look.

Kyrie's had what... three stretches this season in which he needed time away? That's really pushing it. The eight-game stretch was particularly upsetting for most of us fans, too.

I understand he's a passionate, moody, principled guy, and these are certainly some tumultuous times, but you can still go too far with this stuff IMO. Especially as a pro player being paid a fortune by the fans to represent us / entertain us. Other pro athletes regularly have to play through heartbreak and injustice on a regular basis too, you know?

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kyrie has been a top 10 player in this league this season when he has been available. He's having a historic, all-time great season from a guard. It just happens to be at the same time that Dame and Steph (especially Steph) are putting up even bigger numbers. If Kyrie could get to the free throw line on the regular, he'd be right up there with them, that's the only thing that holds him back. But in terms of pure shot creation ability, he's elite in the league and playing the best/most efficient basketball of his career.

Nobody is arguing against Steph.

I don't understand how Lillard is having a better season.

Kyrie is more efficient from the field and they score about the same amount of points.

I suppose you can make the case Lillard is better. But acting like its clear cut is not true.

[Hello Brooklyn]

My take on Kyrie has been the same since he started pulling his MIA stints.

GREAT PLAYER, I've even compared him to Isaiah talent-wise, which unless you're too young to have seen Isaiah you know that's about a big a compliment as I can give him from a talent perspective. But as far as the Mamba mentality, which Isaiah had in spades as well (dude played in the finals with a high ankle sprain, the kind that keeps players out from 6 to 8 weeks, and played at a high level too), but I digress. If you can tell me about all the times Kobe went MIA is his career much less a season, or even the ONE TIME perhaps other than the birth of his child, then we can talk about Kyrie and Kobe in the same breath, strictly from the Mamba mentality perspective. Some of us are old enough to remember when Isaiah played with a high ankle sprain or Larry with a shredded spinal cord, or Michael with a high fever. I'm not one of those old-timers who says you NEVER see that anymore, but we sure as hell don't see it from a player who disappears every time it's his third cousins birthday.

Are you guys all Kobe stans or something?

I don't give a **** about the mamba mentality.

Kobe ended up having some good runs. But for most of his career he was selfish and a pain to be around.

Thats certainly not something I want Kyrie to emulate.

[Prokorov]

Kyrie has been a top 10 player in this league this season when he has been available. He's having a historic, all-time great season from a guard. It just happens to be at the same time that Dame and Steph (especially Steph) are putting up even bigger numbers. If Kyrie could get to the free throw line on the regular, he'd be right up there with them, that's the only thing that holds him back. But in terms of pure shot creation ability, he's elite in the league and playing the best/most efficient basketball of his career.

Nobody is arguing against Steph.

I don't understand how Lillard is having a better season.

Kyrie is more efficient from the field and they score about the same amount of points.

I suppose you can make the case Lillard is better. But acting like its clear cut is not true.

Yeah. they are similar. both have size/defensive issues. Lillard more durable Kyrie more efficient. Kyrie a better ceiling raiser, lillard a better floor raiser.

If Kyrie is your 1 your probably a 45ish win team due to time missed to injury. If Kyrie is your #2 you are a title favorite. If lillard is your #1 your a 50 win team. if he is your #2 he has less impact.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kyrie has been a top 10 player in this league this season when he has been available. He's having a historic, all-time great season from a guard. It just happens to be at the same time that Dame and Steph (especially Steph) are putting up even bigger numbers. If Kyrie could get to the free throw line on the regular, he'd be right up there with them, that's the only thing that holds him back. But in terms of pure shot creation ability, he's elite in the league and playing the best/most efficient basketball of his career.

Nobody is arguing against Steph.

I don't understand how Lillard is having a better season.

Kyrie is more efficient from the field and they score about the same amount of points.

I suppose you can make the case Lillard is better. But acting like its clear cut is not true.

Yeah. they are similar. both have size/defensive issues. Lillard more durable Kyrie more efficient. Kyrie a better ceiling raiser, lillard a better floor raiser.

If Kyrie is your 1 your probably a 45ish win team due to time missed to injury. If Kyrie is your #2 you are a title favorite. If lillard is your #1 your a 50 win team. if he is your #2 he has less impact.

Kyrie is more injury prone but not this season.

The main difference is their playoff performances. Despite Dame's reputation as some Michael Jordan esque clutch player, hes been awful in the playoffs for his career.

He had some great first round series. Other than that hes been terrible.

Literally shoots 40% from the field for his playoff career. Was absolutely terrible vs the Warriors and the Nuggets the year they made the WCF.

He got sonned by Steph in a series while Kyrie outplayed him twice.

[Prokorov]

Nobody is arguing against Steph.

I don't understand how Lillard is having a better season.

Kyrie is more efficient from the field and they score about the same amount of points.

I suppose you can make the case Lillard is better. But acting like its clear cut is not true.

Yeah. they are similar. both have size/defensive issues. Lillard more durable Kyrie more efficient. Kyrie a better ceiling raiser, lillard a better floor raiser.

If Kyrie is your 1 your probably a 45ish win team due to time missed to injury. If Kyrie is your #2 you are a title favorite. If lillard is your #1 your a 50 win team. if he is your #2 he has less impact.

Kyrie is more injury prone but not this season.

The main difference is their playoff performances. Despite Dame's reputation as some Michael Jordan esque clutch player, hes been awful in the playoffs for his career.

He had some great first round series. Other than that hes been terrible.

Literally shoots 40% from the field for his playoff career. Was absolutely terrible vs the Warriors and the Nuggets the year they made the WCF.

He got sonned by Steph in a series while Kyrie outplayed him twice.

Yup. Kyrie is the better ceiling raiser. He has proven to be a star when it matters most.

[gigantes]

Are you guys all Kobe stans or something?

I don't give a **** about the mamba mentality.

Kobe ended up having some good runs. But for most of his career he was selfish and a pain to be around.

Thats certainly not something I want Kyrie to emulate.

This.

Even before his tragic passing (RIP), the guy was being praised, lauded and feted for a mentality that was often problematic for his team, his teammates and his coaches.

I think I'd prefer Jimmy Butler mentality to Mamba Mentality (tm). Jimmy's also hugely-driven, a ridiculously hard worker, and passionate as hell. He can be a total PITA, just like Kobe, but he's much more of a fill-in-the-blanks guy who lets the game come to him. When he's on a team that buys in, he doesn't need to force things or play hero ball. Those things make a big difference to team effectiveness and spirit IMO.

So yeah, I'd rather Kyrie be more like Jimmy-But than Kobe, frankly.

[MrDollarBills]

this discussion has gone off the rails. Kobe? Isiah? Why is Kyrie being compared to two hall of famers?

Kyrie is who he is. NBA Champion, All Star, and currently one of the 15-20 best players in the sport by the metrics. Those are facts.

But the idea that he is a mental midget and is having an up and down season is complete nonsense and anyone co signing that bull **** should be ashamed of themselves. This discussion literally springs from someone going on a barely coherent, possibly drunken rant about how Kyrie triggered him last night and the entire argument was fact free and baseless.

[NetsJets]

If we don’t have Yes 2 why was the game still blacked out smh.