WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

clyde21 · Post #1621 » by **clyde21** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:41 pm

Jester_ wrote:
clyde21 wrote: i don't know and idgaf

story of every take you've ever had

good talk

Jester_ · Post #1622 » by **Jester_** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:07 pm

cpower wrote:
Jester_ wrote:Embiid is a weird comp, but sometimes I wonder if any of y'all saw what rookie Chris Bosh looked like.

Wiseman is literally better than Bosh at basically everything at the same age, with significantly less professional experience. I for one hope we trade him somewhere with a coach who isn't ass at player development so he can thrive.

Exhibit A: Chris Boucher

what? I watched Bosh in his early raptors days and Bosh was miles ahead of Wiseman... he was not exciting and but barely makes mistakes.. Wiseman is always making mistakes....you can't be serious to compare them...

You are literally objectively wrong. I know because of the insane number of barstool conversions I had with my buddies ragging on Bosh throughout year 1.

Not too dissimilar from the kids who were ranting and raving halfway through the year in '09 or so that we didn't draft Brandon Jennings instead of Steph :lol:

y'all kids

clyde21 · Post #1623 » by **clyde21** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:20 pm

hey guys case settled, we don't need to discuss Wiseman anymore because 18 years ago Bosh something

whatisacenter · Post #1624 » by **whatisacenter** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:34 pm

clyde21 wrote:hey guys case settled, we don't need to discuss Wiseman anymore because 18 years ago Bosh something

well, comparing JW to rookie year Bosh is more discussion and analysis than just saying he sucks or is trash.

clyde21 · Post #1625 » by **clyde21** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:46 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
clyde21 wrote:hey guys case settled, we don't need to discuss Wiseman anymore because 18 years ago Bosh something

well, comparing JW to rookie year Bosh is more discussion and analysis than just saying he sucks or is trash.

there has been plenty of analysis in this thread about Wiseman isn't a good fit here, if you missed it or chose to ignore it thats your own problem

whatisacenter · Post #1626 » by **whatisacenter** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:57 pm

clyde21 wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
clyde21 wrote:hey guys case settled, we don't need to discuss Wiseman anymore because 18 years ago Bosh something

well, comparing JW to rookie year Bosh is more discussion and analysis than just saying he sucks or is trash.

there has been plenty of analysis in this thread about Wiseman isn't a good fit here, if you missed it or chose to ignore it thats your own problem

I didn't miss it. I just think it is silly when posters speak in absolutes about JW after such a small sample size. I don't think he is a lock to be great by any means but I also think it's too early to say he is a bust or he doesn't fit with the Warriors.

clyde21 · Post #1627 » by **clyde21** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:16 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
well, comparing JW to rookie year Bosh is more discussion and analysis than just saying he sucks or is trash.

there has been plenty of analysis in this thread about Wiseman isn't a good fit here, if you missed it or chose to ignore it thats your own problem

I didn't miss it. I just think it is silly when posters speak in absolutes about JW after such a small sample size. I don't think he is a lock to be great by any means but I also think it's too early to say he is a bust or he doesn't fit with the Warriors.

i don't understand your point...yes, no one should be dealing with absolutes...but if people like myself feel like he's a bad fit here and want the Warriors to make a move before it's too late, we should be able to discuss this without you guys jumping down our throats for not towing the company line.

whatisacenter · Post #1628 » by **whatisacenter** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:59 pm

clyde21 wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
there has been plenty of analysis in this thread about Wiseman isn't a good fit here, if you missed it or chose to ignore it thats your own problem

I didn't miss it. I just think it is silly when posters speak in absolutes about JW after such a small sample size. I don't think he is a lock to be great by any means but I also think it's too early to say he is a bust or he doesn't fit with the Warriors.

i don't understand your point...yes, no one should be dealing with absolutes...but if people like myself feel like he's a bad fit here and want the Warriors to make a move before it's too late, we should be able to discuss this without you guys jumping down our throats for not towing the company line.

Hey man, I can appreciate your passion for the game but you come across to me as a black and white type take most of the time. You are very anti-Myers and are quick to attack the FO moves. There have been picks and acquisitions that deserve criticism but to call him an idiot seems extreme. Also, you feel like I jump down your throat for wanting to move JW but if anyone has something positive to say about him you and others do the same thing and think we are foolish.

By the way, what you said above came across as level headed to me.

Edit: I should probably just refrain from commenting most of the time

shazam_guy · Post #1629 » by **shazam_guy** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:42 pm

It's a little unclear to me who is jumping down who's throat.

From my perspective, every time someone says something even-handed on this board about Wiseman, somebody else immediately helicopters in to denounce it. Is there a special "they complimented Wiseman" alarm in the ManagementSucksCave?

Old_Blue · Post #1630 » by **Old_Blue** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:09 pm

shazam_guy wrote:From my perspective, every time someone says something even-handed on this board about Wiseman, somebody else immediately helicopters in to denounce it. Is there a special "they complimented Wiseman" alarm in the ManagementSucksCave?

Which could just as easily read...

From my perspective, every time someone says something even-handed on this board about LaMelo, somebody else immediately helicopters in to denounce it. Is there a special "they complimented LaMelo" alarm in the ManagementRocksCave?

shazam_guy · Post #1631 » by **shazam_guy** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:50 pm

LaMelo isn't a Warrior. Wiseman is. Pretty simple when you think about it that way.

and1GS · Post #1632 » by **and1GS** » Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:06 pm

Yeh LaMelo isn't on this team and I'm too lazy to read through this slobberknocker of a thread, but I do quite often see 'lmao LaMelo was always god Myers has to go' in threads that have literally nothing to do with him.

clyde21 · Post #1633 » by **clyde21** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:18 am

just to be clear, I don't and never wanted Melo

pretty sure EvanZ can vouch for that one.

SAKURABA216 · Post #1634 » by **SAKURABA216** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:48 am

clyde21 wrote:just to be clear, I don't and never wanted Melo

pretty sure EvanZ can vouch for that one.

If that is the case then there really is no reason for you to be so upset with the pick. Going into the draft it was clear that Edwards, Wiseman, and LaMelo were to top 3 picks and if the Warriors didn't trade back or pick LaMelo then the only other option was to draft Wiseman. There was no way in hell they would draft Haliburton with the #2 pick, even though that might not be such a bad idea in hindsight, because that would have been seen as the biggest reach ever. The Warriors picked Wiseman because I'm sure they felt he had the most trade value and was the easiest player to flip. Their plan all along was to package whoever the pick was with Wiggins and the Minnesota pick for an all-star. Unfortunately nobody was biting.

EvanZ · Post #1635 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:49 am

Jester_ wrote:
You are literally objectively wrong. I know because of the insane number of barstool conversions I had with my buddies ragging on Bosh throughout year 1.

Barstool wasn't on the internet until 2007. So how was this possible?

EvanZ · Post #1636 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:50 am

clyde21 wrote:just to be clear, I don't and never wanted Melo

pretty sure EvanZ can vouch for that one.

Yes I can vouch that clyde had Melo 18 on his board. :lol:

EvanZ · Post #1637 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:52 am

SAKURABA216 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:just to be clear, I don't and never wanted Melo

pretty sure EvanZ can vouch for that one.

Going into the draft it was clear that Edwards, Wiseman, and LaMelo were to top 3 picks and if the Warriors didn't trade back or pick LaMelo then the only other option was to draft Wiseman.

Wiseman should never have been a lock for a top 3 pick. That was the problem. I had him 6 on my board. Many others had him lower, including I think, Mike Schmitz. Or maybe he had him right at 6 or 7.

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EvanZ · Post #1638 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:54 am

SAKURABA216 wrote: The Warriors picked Wiseman because I'm sure they felt he had the most trade value and was the easiest player to flip. Their plan all along was to package whoever the pick was with Wiggins and the Minnesota pick for an all-star. Unfortunately nobody was biting.

And this logic also proved wrong! I said at the time they shoulda drafted Melo if they wanted the best asset. Oh well! :lol:

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clyde21 · Post #1639 » by **clyde21** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:08 am

SAKURABA216 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:just to be clear, I don't and never wanted Melo

pretty sure EvanZ can vouch for that one.

If that is the case then there really is no reason for you to be so upset with the pick. Going into the draft it was clear that Edwards, Wiseman, and LaMelo were to top 3 picks

uhm, not to me, and there is such a thing as a trade down.

Jester_ · Post #1640 » by **Jester_** » Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:34 am

EvanZ wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
You are literally objectively wrong. I know because of the insane number of barstool conversions I had with my buddies ragging on Bosh throughout year 1.

Barstool wasn't on the internet until 2007. So how was this possible?

Barstool as in actual bar stools in Toronto ya dork