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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#61 » by daoneandonly » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:16 pm

Let J Rich walk, unless someone wants to S&T
Trade KP, Kleber, and Brunson
Get guys like Marcus Smart and Jonas Valincunas. Not game changers, but they have heart and always compete
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Post#62 » by BlueSan » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:37 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
BlueSan wrote:1. Trade Porzingis + another player (Richardson / Powell) for a good player and a useful piece.

2. Get DeRozan

3. Extend Brunson

4. Keep Hardaway if he accepts 15 mils

5. Extend Dončič

6. Sign Bey and Hinton

7. Keep WCS for these peanuts

The rest not that important DFS can be traded mid season or before season or extended...whatever


Derozan is a terrible fit with Luka. He can't defend or space the floor, I can't understand why people want him.

Brunson is proving to be a second round guy, he's been garbage lately. He doesn't even try to pass or defend.


DeRozan, because market is extremely depleted. Dallas are running out of options.
Collins would go on a max deal, we are talking about a guy that is not even an All Star.
I would extend Brunson, but wouldnt offer more than 10 mils if he doesnt accept, trade him in a nice package together with Porzingis and maybe get something out of it
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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#63 » by HMFFL » Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:17 am

daoneandonly wrote:Let J Rich walk, unless someone wants to S&T
Trade KP, Kleber, and Brunson
Get guys like Marcus Smart and Jonas Valincunas. Not game changers, but they have heart and always compete
It's not realistic.
Both of them are key guys for their teams.


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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#64 » by HMFFL » Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:22 am

Starting with the free agents is a good start. We must add talent. I don't see any reason to keep THJ unless he's paid around 10-12m per season.
KP and Luka desperately need help.

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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#65 » by Bluelabel24 » Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:40 am

daoneandonly wrote:Let J Rich walk, unless someone wants to S&T
Trade KP, Kleber, and Brunson
Get guys like Marcus Smart and Jonas Valincunas. Not game changers, but they have heart and always compete

they should go hard after guys like marcus smart.. we need pitbull type of guys out there and not fill the roster with soft finesse guys. We need a bruiser energizer type.
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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#66 » by 41Dirk41 » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:11 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
BlueSan wrote:1. Trade Porzingis + another player (Richardson / Powell) for a good player and a useful piece.

2. Get DeRozan

3. Extend Brunson

4. Keep Hardaway if he accepts 15 mils

5. Extend Dončič

6. Sign Bey and Hinton

7. Keep WCS for these peanuts

The rest not that important DFS can be traded mid season or before season or extended...whatever


Derozan is a terrible fit with Luka. He can't defend or space the floor, I can't understand why people want him.

Brunson is proving to be a second round guy, he's been garbage lately. He doesn't even try to pass or defend.


I understand your doubts on DDR, but unless we will sign an All Star i accept him...he is a terrific offensive player.
Luka needs more talent around him, i think it's better for now add talents than mediocre players that fits to the system (like DFS, JRich ecc ecc).
Luka and Rick will find a way to play with DDR too.
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Post#67 » by arkuo » Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:38 am

Here's an idea if RIchardson opts in.

RIchardson + Kleber + Brunson for S&T John Collins ($30M per)

Sign Spender Dinwiddie to his own max when he opts out of BKN. He will be buried behind Kyrie and Harden there. He will most likely opt out. Dinwiddie averages 7 assists per game. There is your point guard / playmaker to replace Brunson.

You eventually elevate the quality of the starting 5 with that. Sign players to fill out the bench.

C- Porzingis / WCS
PF - Collins / Powell / Melli
SF - DFS / Green
SG - Dinwiddie / THJ
PG - Doncic / Burke / Terry
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Post#68 » by daoneandonly » Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:49 am

arkuo wrote:Here's an idea if RIchardson opts in.

RIchardson + Kleber + Brunson for S&T John Collins ($30M per)

Sign Spender Dinwiddie to his own max when he opts out of BKN. He will be buried behind Kyrie and Harden there. He will most likely opt out. Dinwiddie averages 7 assists per game. There is your point guard / playmaker to replace Brunson.

You eventually elevate the quality of the starting 5 with that. Sign players to fill out the bench.

C- Porzingis / WCS
PF - Collins / Powell / Melli
SF - DFS / Green
SG - Dinwiddie / THJ
PG - Doncic / Burke / Terry


That team can score, but will be scored on at will. Dinwiddie is a horrible defender and Collins is nothign special on that end, there's no way that team is going anywhere when they'll allow 130 a night
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Post#69 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:52 pm

Almost certainly too much movement, but I am bored at work and DAL is my #2 team so here goes:

112M EST SALARY CAP

Dallas Trades
Kristaps Porzingis to CHA
Dwight Powell to DET
Trey Burke to CHA

Charlotte Trades
Terry Rozier to DAL
#15 to DET

Detroit Trades
Mason Plumlee to DAL

Terry Rozier 17.9
Luka Doncic 10.1M
Maxi Kleber 8.7M
Mason Plumlee 8.1M
Dorian Finney-Smith 4M
Josh Green 2.9M
Jalen Brunson 1.8M
Tyrell Terry 1.5M
4 Cap Holds 4.8M
TOTAL – 59.8

RESIGN
Tim Hardaway Jr *** 3Y 42M 14M AV ***
Boban Marjanovic *** Vet Min ***

FREE AGENCY
John Collins *** MAX starting at 28.1M ***
Danny Green *** 2Y 20M 10M AV ***
Kent Bazemore *** Vet Min ***
Harry Giles *** Vet Min ***

G – Terry Rozier / Jalen Brunson / Tyrell Terry
G – Danny Green / Tim Hardaway Jr / Josh Green
F – Luka Doncic / Tim Hardaway Jr / Kent Bazemore
F – John Collins / Dorian Finney-Smith / Tyler Bey
C – Mason Plumlee / Maxi Kleber / Harry Giles / Boban Marjanovic
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Post#70 » by daoneandonly » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:01 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Almost certainly too much movement, but I am bored at work and DAL is my #2 team so here goes:

112M EST SALARY CAP

Dallas Trades
Kristaps Porzingis to CHA
Dwight Powell to DET
Trey Burke to CHA

Charlotte Trades
Terry Rozier to DAL
#15 to DET

Detroit Trades
Mason Plumlee to DAL

Terry Rozier 17.9
Luka Doncic 10.1M
Maxi Kleber 8.7M
Mason Plumlee 8.1M
Dorian Finney-Smith 4M
Josh Green 2.9M
Jalen Brunson 1.8M
Tyrell Terry 1.5M
4 Cap Holds 4.8M
TOTAL – 59.8

RESIGN
Tim Hardaway Jr *** 3Y 42M 14M AV ***
Boban Marjanovic *** Vet Min ***

FREE AGENCY
John Collins *** MAX starting at 28.1M ***
Danny Green *** 2Y 20M 10M AV ***
Kent Bazemore *** Vet Min ***
Harry Giles *** Vet Min ***

G – Terry Rozier / Jalen Brunson / Tyrell Terry
G – Danny Green / Tim Hardaway Jr / Josh Green
F – Luka Doncic / Tim Hardaway Jr / Kent Bazemore
F – John Collins / Dorian Finney-Smith / Tyler Bey
C – Mason Plumlee / Maxi Kleber / Harry Giles / Boban Marjanovic


Probably your best Dallas proposals, I guess being bored at work is a plus. I like both the Rozier and Plumlee fits, but just dont see Atl allowing Collins to walk for nothing. Plus I cant see our FO making this many changes, where we have 4 new starters. Not saying it wouldn't behoove them to do so, but I just think they think the needed fixes are smaller in nature
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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#71 » by Mr B » Sat May 22, 2021 4:02 am

Not very realistic but this would be a dream.

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Post#72 » by Mr B » Sat May 22, 2021 7:12 pm

Again, don’t know how realistic this would be but just going to put out there why I would like to see the Mavs do. I’m sure most of you would hate it but oh well.

I would like to see the Mavs add a center with girth. Someone that can rebound and not get pushed around in the paint. I’m not talking about a superior offensive threat but just a big strong center that can play defense and rebound (think Valanciunas). I would also like to see them add an elite scorer at the wing position. If they could trade KP for a guy in the Gordon Hayward mold or the Bogdonovic mold, elite shooter/scorer.


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Post#73 » by DJ_3_Ball » Sun May 23, 2021 1:47 pm

This is one of those off seasons were not doing too much could be the optimal outcome.

I think the Mavs will resign THJ, which I'm not that keen on. I guess depends on the price. I think there are a lot of guys who are career low 30s 3PT shooters who could come to Dallas and shoot high 30s because of Luka's ability to get them quality looks. THJ seems to be a good locker room fit, so I'm okay with him coming back for a 3 for 30 type of deal (would prefer lower actually), and would much rather have a guy like Duncan Robinson, who could literally be Kyle Korver 2.0 if he had Luka getting him looks. So, I hope the Mavs make an offer to him. I'd be okay with 5 for 100 for Robinson. Likely no other team is going to match that, and with Luka, Robinson would be a 45%+ shooter, maybe even higher. Korver had some near 50+ 3pt% seasons with those ATL teams. That's a very valuable weapon in today's NBA. I like Robinson's size too. He's not the worst defender because of the size. He's been durable, and he's a mature veteran that understands playing a role. I think Miami sees all of these qualities too and will probably match (unless the Mavs make an offer like 5 for 100 that they can't match).

Then there's people like John Collins or Lauri Markkanen who are rumored to be dissatisfied with their current teams and even though they're RFAs, the Mavs might be able to pry them loose. The question is do we want them? Because unlike a guy like Duncan Robinson or THJ who we can expect to be good locker room fits, these guys may not be and/or might have injury concerns.

We need money for Brunson in 2022, and Luka is going to be maxed out this summer. I see us adding a supplemental piece like Danny Green this offseason. I'm open to a guy like Richaun Holmes, but my question is "Are there better players available in 2022?" and "Can we trust Holmes' health?"

I'm vehemently opposed to paying a guy like Conley Jr who is on the wrong side of 34 (by the start of next season) and can't stay healthy anymore. I'd rather save that money & go after a 2022 FA.
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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#74 » by DJ_3_Ball » Sun May 23, 2021 2:27 pm

Say you have this core group next year:

Luka
Duncan Robinson
Gary Trent Jr
Danny Green
KP
Brunson
DFS
Kleber
Powell

Gary Trent Jr is the perfect example of someone I think could fill THJ's role better. He already shoots a percentage on par with THJ. Now imagine he has Luka finding him open shots.

If you had Luka, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Danny Green, and KP as your starting 5, it's not a good defensive team, but you could swap out Gary Trent Jr or Duncan Robinson for DFS if you're getting your butt kicked & that's at least a mediocre defensive team.

3 shooters like that around Luka, that's the best offense in the league. There's no team that can defend us. I also think it's important to get pure shooters like Duncan Robinson who aren't streaky shooters like THJ. Guys who won't disappear for an entire series. I mean, if you have 3 of them, I'm not sure if Gary Trent Jr falls into the pure shooter category, but he's only 22 & still has room for improvement. I know Danny Green could disappear for an entire series, but I think it's less likely when surrounded by that much shooting. It makes KP better, and it forces teams to play Luka 1 on 1. Space the floor & watch Luka go to work.

That's a nightmare situation for opposing defenses.
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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#75 » by gottamakeit » Sun May 23, 2021 5:23 pm

Bluelabel24 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:Let J Rich walk, unless someone wants to S&T
Trade KP, Kleber, and Brunson
Get guys like Marcus Smart and Jonas Valincunas. Not game changers, but they have heart and always compete

they should go hard after guys like marcus smart.. we need pitbull type of guys out there and not fill the roster with soft finesse guys. We need a bruiser energizer type.


Montrezl Harrell has a player option. I wouldn't mind signing him to a contract if we are able to move Dwight Powell's salary.
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Re: What's your perfect(realistic) offseason? 

Post#76 » by Mr B » Sun May 23, 2021 6:01 pm

I personally think it’s important to find a way to bring THJ back. He’s an extremely important part of the chemistry on this team. He’s also one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA. Obviously you can’t pay him $20M (which is what I think he will get offered, or close to it). But if he’s willing to take a 3/$30M they need to bring THJ back.


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Post#77 » by DJ_3_Ball » Sun May 23, 2021 7:17 pm

Mr B wrote:I personally think it’s important to find a way to bring THJ back. He’s an extremely important part of the chemistry on this team. He’s also one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA. Obviously you can’t pay him $20M (which is what I think he will get offered, or close to it). But if he’s willing to take a 3/$30M they need to bring THJ back.


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I agree with the chemistry. Seems like THJ fits like a glove in the locker room. However, I don't think it's accurate to say THJ is one of the best 3 pt shooters in the league. This is like the DeMarco Murray effect with the Cowboys. Yes, DeMarco Murray was good, but he was made a lot better by the Cowboys ridiculous offensive line.

Luka is the reason THJ shoots so well. If you put THJ on the Rockets, I think he reverts right back to being < 35% 3pt shooter. I also think you're right, the Mavs will offer him $20 mil/year.

How would you feel about THJ on a 4 for $85 mil contract and Duncan Robinson staying with the Heat on a 4 for $68 mil contract?

I would so much rather that money go to Duncan Robinson than THJ. It's not like you can't find guys who are good locker room fits. Duncan Robinson seems like the kind of humble guy who would fit in anyone's locker room. Also, I'd prefer to pay for shooting and not a locker room guy.
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Post#78 » by 41Dirk41 » Sun May 23, 2021 7:37 pm

THJ needs to stay...fans love him, Luka loves him, Rick loves him.
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Post#79 » by Mr B » Sun May 23, 2021 7:50 pm

DJ_3_Ball wrote:
Mr B wrote:I personally think it’s important to find a way to bring THJ back. He’s an extremely important part of the chemistry on this team. He’s also one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA. Obviously you can’t pay him $20M (which is what I think he will get offered, or close to it). But if he’s willing to take a 3/$30M they need to bring THJ back.


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I agree with the chemistry. Seems like THJ fits like a glove in the locker room. However, I don't think it's accurate to say THJ is one of the best 3 pt shooters in the league. This is like the DeMarco Murray effect with the Cowboys. Yes, DeMarco Murray was good, but he was made a lot better by the Cowboys ridiculous offensive line.

Luka is the reason THJ shoots so well. If you put THJ on the Rockets, I think he reverts right back to being < 35% 3pt shooter. I also think you're right, the Mavs will offer him $20 mil/year.

How would you feel about THJ on a 4 for $85 mil contract and Duncan Robinson staying with the Heat on a 4 for $68 mil contract?

I would so much rather that money go to Duncan Robinson than THJ. It's not like you can't find guys who are good locker room fits. Duncan Robinson seems like the kind of humble guy who would fit in anyone's locker room. Also, I'd prefer to pay for shooting and not a locker room guy.

What does it matter if his 3pt numbers are only good because Luka makes him better? Luka isn’t going anywhere. We need someone that’s ready to shoot when the ball comes his way and THJ has been really good at it (much more than adequate). Also I’m not suggesting that it’s either THJ or Duncan Robinson. I’d love Robinson here too, I think he’s a perfect fit. I want them to find a way to bring back THJ and sign a guy like Robinson. I don’t anticipate JRich or Redick coming back so they should have the cap space to make Robinson and offer and then resign THJ.

I know some want Gary Trent Jr and I’d definitely be interested in him (instead of THJ) if he’s significantly cheaper, which I doubt he will be. If the money is close I’d prefer to bring back THJ because of the chemistry.


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Post#80 » by DJ_3_Ball » Sun May 23, 2021 8:03 pm

Mr B wrote:What does it matter if his 3pt numbers are only good because Luka makes him better? Luka isn’t going anywhere. We need someone that’s ready to shoot when the ball comes his way and THJ has been really good at it (much more than adequate). Also I’m not suggesting that it’s either THJ or Duncan Robinson. I’d love Robinson here too, I think he’s a perfect fit. I want them to find a way to bring back THJ and sign a guy like Robinson. I don’t anticipate JRich or Redick coming back so they should have the cap space to make Robinson and offer and then resign THJ.

I know some want Gary Trent Jr and I’d definitely be interested in him (instead of THJ) if he’s significantly cheaper, which I doubt he will be. If the money is close I’d prefer to bring back THJ because of the chemistry.


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I think it makes sense to look at THJ + 1 or 2 more vaunted 3 pt shooters. So, I don't necessarily disagree with you.

However, when you say what difference does it make if THJ's 3pt %s are boosted by Luka or not. Well, there I think we see things differently. If you view the following as reasonable, then I think you can see where I'm coming from.

THJ pre Luka = 34% 3pt shooter. THJ w/ Luka = 39% 3pt shooter.

Duncan Robinson pre Luka = 42% 3pt shooter. Duncan Robinson with the Luka effect = 47% 3pt shooter.

Say you even took a guy like Jae Crowder, you can see this year the effect CP3 has had on his shooting. Career 34% 3pt shooter to this season 38% 3pt shooter.

So, I don't want to pay THJ a premium price when he's benefitting from the Luka effect, and there are literally a dozen FAs this summer who shoot around a career 34% 3pt percentage that in this offense with Luka, they would be closer to 40%. As you said, Luka's not going anywhere.

I also think there's a big difference between a guy who's good when he's found on open looks, and a pure shooter like Kyle Korver, for example. Remember those ATL days when Korver was setting the NBA record for most consecutive games with a made 3PM? Defenses were keying on Krover. He was having to go through double screens and do the Curry/Reggie Miller/Rip Hamilton run a mile or two across screens every game just to get open. Guys that you don't even think about it if they're left open, it's going in. Not 38%. We're talking 50%. The year the Hawks won 60 games in '14-'15 and finished 1st in the East. Korver shot 49.2% from the 3pt line. When he was the focal point of the defensive's attention, he shot 49.2%

I'm looking for a guy like that for Luka. Those are rare finds. Those types of shooters combined with Luka's rare passing ability = headaches for the defense that Excedrin can't neutralize. You can find a lot of locker room guys. You can't find too many guys who shoot it in the high 40s from beyond the arc.

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