The Around The NBA Thread

Post #141 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:55 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Cause Tyler Herro went from fringe star buzz of the bubble to Lauri/Coby 2.0.

He's Coby's twin, separated at birth. If I knew how to copy and paste basketball-reference/Excel files and have them format properly, I would show that.

johnnyvann840 · Post #142 » by **johnnyvann840** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:41 pm

Taj and Rose both playing great in the 1st Q. Randle is so freaking good. Knicks/Raps on ESPN right now.

Andi Obst · Post #143 » by **Andi Obst** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:51 pm

Please ESPN, give us more Vince Carter and less (preferably nothing) of Mark Jackson, Chris Webber and Reggie Miller. He’s actually good at this.

The Knicks are extremely fun btw. Such a well-organized team, they’re just doing their thing out there.

Post #144 » by **DuckIII** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:54 pm

Taj is one of the few Bulls players I would love to bring back at the end of his career to “retire as a Bull.” What a career. Also a lesson in not knee-jerk overvaluing a player’s advanced age on draft day.

Post #145 » by **DuckIII** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:59 pm

Little Nathan wrote:Please ESPN, give us more Vince Carter and less (preferably nothing) of Mark Jackson, Chris Webber and Reggie Miller. He’s actually good at this.

The Knicks are extremely fun btw. Such a well-organized team, they’re just doing their thing out there.

I could tell by halftime of the first summer league game I ever heard him call that he was a natural and should be the next big thing once he retired as a player. He’s excellent and if ESPN has any sense he will soon replace every single former player they have as the primary analyst and announcer.

johnnyvann840 · Post #146 » by **johnnyvann840** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:05 pm

Little Nathan wrote:Please ESPN, give us more Vince Carter and less (preferably nothing) of Mark Jackson, Chris Webber and Reggie Miller. He’s actually good at this.

The Knicks are extremely fun btw. Such a well-organized team, they’re just doing their thing out there.

Yeah... you watch them play and you just KNOW they have put in the work.. the real work. The right kind of work. The mental game.

johnnyvann840 · Post #147 » by **johnnyvann840** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:11 pm

Thibs was talking about what a great group he has there and how the players want to get together and have late night work outs and they are finding the time to practice despite the schedule. You think our Bulls team is volunteering for late night work outs before days off? lol

kodo · Post #148 » by **kodo** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:44 pm

Knicks are doing great for the kind of team many people said should have been tanking for the draft at the beginning of this season. Now they're a 4th seed.

I wouldn't be surprised if they land a star FA in next few years with the reputation and culture Leon Rose is building there.

I also like the lack of entitlement minutes to their draft picks. Obi Toppin was their 1st rounder and he's getting no burn. Neither are Frank or Knox.

SouthernBull · Post #149 » by **SouthernBull** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:13 pm

Knicks are fun to watch and actually play defense. Hated them for years, but I will be pulling for Thibs, D-Rose and Taj come playoff time.

D-Rose looks great and is doing a wonderful job running the point and controlling tempo. Would love to have a PG like that again one day.

johnnyvann840 · Post #150 » by **johnnyvann840** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:13 pm

kodo wrote:Knicks are doing great for the kind of team many people said should have been tanking for the draft at the beginning of this season. Now they're a 4th seed.

I wouldn't be surprised if they land a star FA in next few years with the reputation and culture Leon Rose is building there.

I also like the lack of entitlement minutes to their draft picks. Obi Toppin was their 1st rounder and he's getting no burn. Neither are Frank or Knox.

It would not surprise me if the Knicks get to the ECF's this year. Maybe even all the way to the Finals the way they are playing and with the vet leadership, the right kind of leadership they have. They play smart and they get better as the games go along. They are a strong 4th Q team like most Thibs teams have been when dialed in. This Knicks team is really dialed in right now and could wind up doing something special in the playoffs.

Knox is just horrible and with Rose and Quickley and Payton there is just no burn for Frank. Toppin is very young and the Knicks are trying to compete, so Thibs is giving him some minutes but only around 10-12 MPG. But he plays in every game and he doesn't just play in garbage time. Also, with Randle, Taj, Noel and Robinson for most of the season, there just isn't the minutes for Obi right now.

I know everyone is talking about Joker and Embiid and now Steph for MVP, but my MVP is Randle this season.

Post #151 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:40 pm

Little Nathan wrote:Please ESPN, give us more Vince Carter and less (preferably nothing) of Mark Jackson, Chris Webber and Reggie Miller. He’s actually good at this.

I don't mind Reggie, but amen to dropping the first two. And move Richard Jefferson into the rotation.

Post #152 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:49 pm

DuckIII wrote:Taj is one of the few Bulls players I would love to bring back at the end of his career to “retire as a Bull.” What a career. Also a lesson in not knee-jerk overvaluing a player’s advanced age on draft day.

Career, per 36-

Horace Grant - 12/9, 54% TS%
Taj Gibson - 13/9, 55% TS%

Horace played when points were harder to get, so he gets the offensive nod. But it's pretty close. And both Grade A defenders. For me, Taj hands down is the most underrated Bull of, well, pretty much ever. Since the Eighties at least.

Andi Obst · Post #153 » by **Andi Obst** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:52 pm

Ice Man wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:Please ESPN, give us more Vince Carter and less (preferably nothing) of Mark Jackson, Chris Webber and Reggie Miller. He’s actually good at this.

I don't mind Reggie, but amen to dropping the first two. And move Richard Jefferson into the rotation.

Agreed, Jefferson is great.

I don’t like Reggie, but I will agree that putting him in a sentence with Jackson and Webber is harsh.

Post #154 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:01 pm

kodo wrote:II also like the lack of entitlement minutes to their draft picks. Obi Toppin was their 1st rounder and he's getting no burn. Neither are Frank or Knox.

Yep. Thibs doesn't need to give those guys extra court time to "evaluate what he has." He knows what they can do, from practices and from the limited time that they do receive. Meanwhile, by early January he had figured out that Quickley was ready, and he's been giving IQ 20 minutes per game, even though Quickley is younger than both Toppin and Frank.

It's not that Thibs is opposed to rookies; rather, he's opposed to players who don't win NBA games.

Post #155 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:03 pm

Little Nathan wrote:I don’t like Reggie, but I will agree that putting him in a sentence with Jackson and Webber is harsh.

CWebb ... I have no words.

FriedRise · Post #156 » by **FriedRise** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:37 pm

Knicks doing what we thought the Bulls were gonna do. Normalized to an 82-game season, they’re about to have at least a +20 wins improvement compared to last year with pretty much the same roster.

I thought coaches don’t have that kind of impact, I don’t understand it.

dice · Post #157 » by **dice** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:17 am

Ice Man wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Taj is one of the few Bulls players I would love to bring back at the end of his career to “retire as a Bull.” What a career. Also a lesson in not knee-jerk overvaluing a player’s advanced age on draft day.

Career, per 36-

Horace Grant - 12/9, 54% TS%
Taj Gibson - 13/9, 55% TS%

Horace played when points were harder to get, so he gets the offensive nod. But it's pretty close. And both Grade A defenders. For me, Taj hands down is the most underrated Bull of, well, pretty much ever. Since the Eighties at least.

horace was better at everything except shot blocking. his peak was substantially higher. and that peak was in service of the greatest team of all time. if both were entering the draft at the same age, no GM would consider taking taj. rightfully

dice · Post #158 » by **dice** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:20 am

Little Nathan wrote:
Ice Man wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:Please ESPN, give us more Vince Carter and less (preferably nothing) of Mark Jackson, Chris Webber and Reggie Miller. He’s actually good at this.

I don't mind Reggie, but amen to dropping the first two. And move Richard Jefferson into the rotation.

Agreed, Jefferson is great.

I don’t like Reggie, but I will agree that putting him in a sentence with Jackson and Webber is harsh.

i mostly want entertainment out of my TV color guys (w/ exceptions like hubie brown and doug collins). reggie gives that. jackson only works because of the banter w/ van gundy

bill walton is the GOAT color guy

Post #159 » by **DuckIII** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:51 am

Little Nathan wrote:
Ice Man wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:Please ESPN, give us more Vince Carter and less (preferably nothing) of Mark Jackson, Chris Webber and Reggie Miller. He’s actually good at this.

I don't mind Reggie, but amen to dropping the first two. And move Richard Jefferson into the rotation.

Agreed, Jefferson is great.

I don’t like Reggie, but I will agree that putting him in a sentence with Jackson and Webber is harsh.

Not too harsh. Reggie is terrible.

Jefferson is great though.

Jo Jo English · Post #160 » by **Jo Jo English** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:18 am

DuckIII wrote:Taj is one of the few Bulls players I would love to bring back at the end of his career to “retire as a Bull.” What a career. Also a lesson in not knee-jerk overvaluing a player’s advanced age on draft day.

I am still bitter we didn't select DaJuan Blair. What could have been.