Darius Garland vs. Collin Sexton

[LivingLegend]

i'm in the camp that the Cavs should not make the same mistake that Portland made with CJ/Dame and try to get a better complementary piece in the backcourt...and I think DG and Sexton fall in that category for me...if I was Mr. Altman my plan would be to trade Sexton before his rook deal is up and move forward with a Garland/Okoro backcourt, considering i'm a Garland dude myself.

so...what do you think the Cavs should do here?

What makes Garland more valuable than Sexton in your eyes?

Personally, I'm not sure how much higher Sexton's ceiling is than what it's at right now. As for Garland, he took a huge leap from last season, and it seems like there's more to come. Plus there's the fact that Garland is a playmaker and Sexton is not, and it's much harder to find a playmaker than a scorer

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That is exactly what I believe as well but often get push back from a lot of Cavs fans who love themselves some Collin Sexton.

[clyde21]

If Sexton was to be traded this offseason then I'd put money on Garland being MIP next season. I think it's the right decision to trade Sexton now as he looks great.

Agreed. I like Sexton but a volume scoring guard isn't terribly difficult to replace comparably speaking.

Garland drips potential and is just now learning where and when to assert himself. I've said it 1 million times but there are so many times where he looks like Kyrie-lite from his ball handling, flashiness and finishing moves. Being a 40%+ three point shooter helps too.

Right now he is taking a backseat to Sexton in terms of the 'go-to scorer' and is playing the role of facilitator.

If Sexton were to be moved for a young wing player and this becomes Garlands show to run, I see a few All Star appearances in the next 3-5 years for him.

before the 19 draft...peep game:

imma go on a limb and say Garland is the best ball handler to come out since Kyrie.

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[LivingLegend]

If Sexton was to be traded this offseason then I'd put money on Garland being MIP next season. I think it's the right decision to trade Sexton now as he looks great.

Agreed. I like Sexton but a volume scoring guard isn't terribly difficult to replace comparably speaking.

Garland drips potential and is just now learning where and when to assert himself. I've said it 1 million times but there are so many times where he looks like Kyrie-lite from his ball handling, flashiness and finishing moves. Being a 40%+ three point shooter helps too.

Right now he is taking a backseat to Sexton in terms of the 'go-to scorer' and is playing the role of facilitator.

If Sexton were to be moved for a young wing player and this becomes Garlands show to run, I see a few All Star appearances in the next 3-5 years for him.

before the 19 draft...peep game:

imma go on a limb and say Garland is the best ball handler to come out since Kyrie.

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Right, I try to find a comp for Garland of what he could be in another 2 years once he gets more experience, his grows into his body, ect.

The best I could come up with is a weird combination of Charlotte Kemba Walker and young Cavs Kyrie Irving.

He has the body and playmaking of Kemba, but the flair and movements of Kyrie. It's weird.

[FreeSpiritNY]

I mean look the Knicks can give you obi and two first round picks for garland

Sexton seems like the ideal Thibs guard tbh. Gritty and a scorer.

Yeah I'd love to have Sexton. I'm biased cause I wanted to draft him the yr we got Knox. But in terms of his fit (and I can't fully tell if it's more because of Peytons inability but..) Randle is sortve our biggest facilitator. We could benefit from that not being the case but Sexton sortve mutually benefits from that being the case. You guys know what he can do for better or worse so I won't drag out the explanation but I'm just saying I think he'd give the Knicks an element Peyton could never give and the system would suit him..

The only element he gives the Knicks is losing, turnovers, poor shooting & tunnel vision

[LivingLegend]

Sexton seems like the ideal Thibs guard tbh. Gritty and a scorer.

Yeah I'd love to have Sexton. I'm biased cause I wanted to draft him the yr we got Knox. But in terms of his fit (and I can't fully tell if it's more because of Peytons inability but..) Randle is sortve our biggest facilitator. We could benefit from that not being the case but Sexton sortve mutually benefits from that being the case. You guys know what he can do for better or worse so I won't drag out the explanation but I'm just saying I think he'd give the Knicks an element Peyton could never give and the system would suit him..

The only element he gives the Knicks is losing, turnovers, poor shooting & tunnel vision

Do you guys have a young promising 2-way SF or perhaps a body stretching machine to transform Sexton into a 6'8" SF?

[ayyayyron]

What makes Garland more valuable than Sexton in your eyes?

Personally, I'm not sure how much higher Sexton's ceiling is than what it's at right now. As for Garland, he took a huge leap from last season, and it seems like there's more to come. Plus there's the fact that Garland is a playmaker and Sexton is not, and it's much harder to find a playmaker than a scorer

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That is exactly what I believe as well but often get push back from a lot of Cavs fans who love themselves some Collin Sexton.

I mean I love Sexton too. I watched him tear the Nets' Big 3 apart, pretty much single-handedly. But considering Sexton (probably) has higher trade value and Garland is a more valuable long-term piece, it's a pretty easy decision. Ideally, they'd be able to co-exist, but as good as Dame and CJ are, it never worked there. It won't work in Cleveland either. My preference is a Garland/Okoro backcourt, with the long-term forwards coming from a Sexton trade (maybe Deni Avdija or Miles Bridges) + this year's draft (Jonathan Kuminga? Jalen Johnson?)

[DCasey91]

Keep Garland to build around.

Serious ballhandler with slick passing chops

I’m waiting for Goga, Simons and NAW to breakout next year.

76ers board had Ball, Beasley, Garland, Lavine (last year), NAW, Randle (Great call early on this year), Trent jr, KPJ before they had a production jump from various posters. We were on the ball train, and the NAW like a month before he had a solid stretch of games. Also someone should have gone for Lauri when he didn’t sign an extension.

We dudes have an eye for undervalued stuff lol.

[LivingLegend]

Personally, I'm not sure how much higher Sexton's ceiling is than what it's at right now. As for Garland, he took a huge leap from last season, and it seems like there's more to come. Plus there's the fact that Garland is a playmaker and Sexton is not, and it's much harder to find a playmaker than a scorer

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That is exactly what I believe as well but often get push back from a lot of Cavs fans who love themselves some Collin Sexton.

I mean I love Sexton too. I watched him tear the Nets' Big 3 apart, pretty much single-handedly. But considering Sexton (probably) has higher trade value and Garland is a more valuable long-term piece, it's a pretty easy decision. Ideally, they'd be able to co-exist, but as good as Dame and CJ are, it never worked there. It won't work in Cleveland either. My preference is a Garland/Okoro backcourt, with the long-term forwards coming from a Sexton trade (maybe Deni Avdija or Miles Bridges) + this year's draft (Jonathan Kuminga? Jalen Johnson?)

100000% agree. Trade Sexton while you can get a good young player that actually fits the roster next to Garland and draft another wing.

I'm just sick and tried of playing all of our young players out of position. Sexton plays SG when he's a PG and Okoro is playing SF when he is a SG.

I would love a :

PG- Garland
SG- Okoro
SF- Sexton Trade/Draft Pick
PF- Nance
C- Allen

[Big J]

Sexton is the poor man's version of Westbrook & Garland is the poor man's version of Harden. Don't make the same mistake as OKC.

[TheNewEra]

I would take Garland if I could have one on the clippers

[brutalitops]

You keep both unless you get something pretty decent value or they both demand max money

[ayyayyron]

thankyouMichaelScott.gif

That is exactly what I believe as well but often get push back from a lot of Cavs fans who love themselves some Collin Sexton.

I mean I love Sexton too. I watched him tear the Nets' Big 3 apart, pretty much single-handedly. But considering Sexton (probably) has higher trade value and Garland is a more valuable long-term piece, it's a pretty easy decision. Ideally, they'd be able to co-exist, but as good as Dame and CJ are, it never worked there. It won't work in Cleveland either. My preference is a Garland/Okoro backcourt, with the long-term forwards coming from a Sexton trade (maybe Deni Avdija or Miles Bridges) + this year's draft (Jonathan Kuminga? Jalen Johnson?)

100000% agree. Trade Sexton while you can get a good young player that actually fits the roster next to Garland and draft another wing.

I'm just sick and tried of playing all of our young players out of position. Sexton plays SG when he's a PG and Okoro is playing SF when he is a SG.

I would love a :

PG- Garland
SG- Okoro
SF- Sexton Trade/Draft Pick
PF- Nance
C- Allen

PG - Garland
SG - Okoro
SF - Deni Avdija (very talented playmaker/shot creator)
PF - Kevin Love (nah I'm kidding - it gotta be Nance)
C - The amazing rim protector who I desperately miss having on my team

[jbk1234]

Keep both unless you get some kind of no brainer deal for one of them. Garland can't really get to the line. Sexton is the more natural scorer. Garland a better shooter this year but likely gets a lot better open catch and shoots. Sexton the better career 3 pt shooter as well.

Garland is a little better passer but not sure he is a total starting caliber guy...efficiency (TS%) quite a bit below league average, so him taking more shots is not necessarily a good thing.

In his second year, he's 20th in NBA in assists per game on a team that is among the worst in made 3s. That's not 20th among PGs, that's among all players.

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[jbk1234]

Depends if they have a shot at Cade or Suggs.

I think Suggs is the most overrated guy in this draft.

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[bwgood77]

Sexton is the poor man's version of Westbrook & Garland is the poor man's version of Harden. Don't make the same mistake as OKC.

Sexton is far more efficient and gets to the line a lot more. Neither are as bad of shooters or as inefficient as Westbrook though. Garland is pretty poor scoring anywhere inside the arc and only finishes 58% at the rim.

I wouldn't compare them to MVPs though, even poor man's versions.

[Duke4life831]

Id definitely wouldn't go forward with both. Youre looking at a poor mans version of POR and that aint a good thing. Id move on with Garland and look to move Sexton. Sexton is a 6'1 SG that I still think will end up as a 6MOY kind of player than a starting 2 guard for a contending team. Garland at least has the ability to run the PnR and should become an efficient scorer as well.

With that said, this draft can definitely change a lot for how I feel with this team going forward. If they get Mobley, then ya run with Garland and move Sexton for a better fitting 2 guard.

But if they land Cade or Suggs, Id ideally move both. I dont like either one with Cade or Suggs. Id much rather pair either of those two guys with a good 2 way off ball 2 guard. Try and grab Grayson or Dante from the Grizz or Bucks this summer. Those guys arent the same individual talents that Garland is, but fit wise and future cap wise, Id rather pair those guys up with Cade/Suggs than either Garland or Sexton. Because those guys bring defense, legit size and legit off ball movement.

[turnaroundJ]

Id definitely wouldn't go forward with both. Youre looking at a poor mans version of POR and that aint a good thing. Id move on with Garland and look to move Sexton. Sexton is a 6'1 SG that I still think will end up as a 6MOY kind of player than a starting 2 guard for a contending team. Garland at least has the ability to run the PnR and should become an efficient scorer as well.

With that said, this draft can definitely change a lot for how I feel with this team going forward. If they get Mobley, then ya run with Garland and move Sexton for a better fitting 2 guard.

But if they land Cade or Suggs, Id ideally move both. I dont like either one with Cade or Suggs. Id much rather pair either of those two guys with a good 2 way off ball 2 guard. Try and grab Grayson or Dante from the Grizz or Bucks this summer. Those guys arent the same individual talents that Garland is, but fit wise and future cap wise, Id rather pair those guys up with Cade/Suggs than either Garland or Sexton. Because those guys bring defense, legit size and legit off ball movement.

I tend to agree. If teams have other options, no one should really be starting and relying heavily on offense-only undersized guards, let alone two of them. They can be fine as role players but it’s really not a recipe for success.

[tundraknight]

Depends if they have a shot at Cade or Suggs.

Hypothetically if they get lottery luck/A top pick, another direction they could go is to select Jalen Green who has more prototype height at the SG position.

And since most people in this thread seem to favor Garland over Sexton, they could trade Sexton and roll with a Garland/Green backcourt.

Garland can initiate the offense and shoot, while Green is that dynamic natural scorer SG who isn’t undersized.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Sexton seems like the ideal Thibs guard tbh. Gritty and a scorer.

Yeah I'd love to have Sexton. I'm biased cause I wanted to draft him the yr we got Knox. But in terms of his fit (and I can't fully tell if it's more because of Peytons inability but..) Randle is sortve our biggest facilitator. We could benefit from that not being the case but Sexton sortve mutually benefits from that being the case. You guys know what he can do for better or worse so I won't drag out the explanation but I'm just saying I think he'd give the Knicks an element Peyton could never give and the system would suit him..

The only element he gives the Knicks is losing, turnovers, poor shooting & tunnel vision

He's a bit selfish but poor shooting? that's definitely not true.

I'd be happy to trade for him if he's on the market, think of the big jump for our offense with him instead of Payton.

[cgf]

They should trade Garland to my team