dougthonus wrote:Stratmaster wrote:There is a difference between skeptically waiting to see how it flushes out, and condemning it as a failure because it didn't immediately show an end result. Likely where we are at with our different views.
I'm not condemning it as a failure due to it not having immediate results. I'm condemning it as a failure based on my evaluations of the players moved, picks moved, value of all of those assets and what I project those values to be in short / long term.
I think this is a short term move where we gave up long term benefits except our ceiling after this move is too low for it to be meaningful. I don't think we will get out of the 1st round or even be competitive in the 1st round of the playoffs with this team.
it reminds me of the khalil mack trade by ryan pace. by deferring mack's salary (twice) it basically gave the team a 2 year window to be a contender. w/ trubisky coming off an awful rookie campaign in which the team won 5 games. it just made no sense from a timing perspective. pace got incredibly lucky by trubisky playing really well the next year and the defense forcing a huge number of turnovers (unsustainable), but it was a mirage. and now the team is suffering the consequences
the bulls prior to the vucevic trade were effectively that 5 win bears team. except instead of 2 full seasons to make it work - the length of vucevic's very reasonable deal - there was also the faint hope of making the playoffs this season (which is basically gone now). and, of course, the assets the bulls gave up were probably not as substantial. but there is also no potential quickly rising star on the roster a-la trubisky was at the time. and lavine gets paid big after next season