Darius Garland vs. Collin Sexton

[bwgood77]

I think, if they get lucky and move up for Cunningham, they should make Sexton the super 6th man

Garland
Okoro
Cunningham
?
Allen
Sexton get full minutes, off the bench. They get a 4 man, and Okoro improves his shooting and that could be a great lineup

Yeah, if people think Garland is a better PG and Sexton is a 6 moy type, then having a 6th man like that is important. Maybe it's like saying "should Utah move Conley or Clarkson?" Well, neither..they are both important.

[Da ThRONe]

I say trade Sexton keep Garland. You can get more for Sexron IMO at the moment and I think Garland has greater potential long term.

[mg]

i'm in the camp that the Cavs should not make the same mistake that Portland made with CJ/Dame and try to get a better complementary piece in the backcourt...and I think DG and Sexton fall in that category for me...if I was Mr. Altman my plan would be to trade Sexton before his rook deal is up and move forward with a Garland/Okoro backcourt, considering i'm a Garland dude myself.

so...what do you think the Cavs should do here?

The Cavs without LeBron would be lucky to end up as a Portland perennial playoff type team. It would not be smart to trade either guard since those are their 2 best players and only scorers. Now if they are stupid enough to move Sexton I'm sure a bunch of teams incl the Mavs, Heat, Sixers, etc would have a ton of interest. Also I need another season from Okoro to see if he's a starting caliber player.

[LivingLegend]

Garland does not seem durable

Hes small. Not Isiah Thomas small, but hes 21 years old and still growing into his body and maturing.

By the way, this is why Darius Garland is going to be an All Star and should be kept long term over Sexton:

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[Roger Murdock]

Garlands one year improvement is the biggest ive ever seen from a Cavs player.

[Bologna Smasher]

I would keep both of them. Considering the direction the league is going, you can have success with both next to each other as long as you build the rest of the team properly.

[LivingLegend]

I would keep both of them. Considering the direction the league is going, you can have success with both next to each other as long as you build the rest of the team properly.

The problem is their deficiencies overlap. Since they are both 6'1" they are sub par defenders. Having 2 of them share the court your not only doubling down on being terrible on the wings defensively, but your also playing guys out of position.

They need to have a long hard talk with Sexton after this year about becoming a 6th man because while its not best for him, it's best for the team.

[VancouverRaps]

I'd keep both for now, see how they continue to develop, but eventually I would move on from one of them just to get more size in the backcourt.

[clyde21]

Garlands one year improvement is the biggest ive ever seen from a Cavs player.

not surprising, only played like 5 games in college because of injury, and was banged up pretty much his entire rookie year...this is the Garland I always expected when I pegged him top5 in that class.

[SF_Warriors]

Keep both unless you get some kind of no brainer deal for one of them. Garland can't really get to the line. Sexton is the more natural scorer. Garland a better shooter this year but likely gets a lot better open catch and shoots. Sexton the better career 3 pt shooter as well.

Garland is a little better passer but not sure he is a total starting caliber guy...efficiency (TS%) quite a bit below league average, so him taking more shots is not necessarily a good thing.

Garland is 21 years old and his TS% compared to Sexton's in his second year at the same age is 55% to 56%.

Small sample size, but Garland in his last 20 games is at 58.8 TS% with 20.8ppg. They are both talented, him and sexton. Its a shame they may suffer from the same issues as portland because they are both good players.

[JonFromVA]

Keep both unless you get some kind of no brainer deal for one of them. Garland can't really get to the line. Sexton is the more natural scorer. Garland a better shooter this year but likely gets a lot better open catch and shoots. Sexton the better career 3 pt shooter as well.

Garland is a little better passer but not sure he is a total starting caliber guy...efficiency (TS%) quite a bit below league average, so him taking more shots is not necessarily a good thing.

Garland is 21 years old and his TS% compared to Sexton's in his second year at the same age is 55% to 56%.

Small sample size, but Garland in his last 20 games is at 58.8 TS% with 20.8ppg. They are both talented, him and sexton. Its a shame they may suffer from the same issues as portland because they are both good players.

Some "Portland suffering" would be a nice consolation while Garland, Sexton, Okoro, and Allen continue to grow and learn. Heck, I'd also accept some "Utah suffering" as well ...

People will say the Cavs should trade Sexton or Garland, but unless another team is willing to actually sacrifice something of value, I just can't imagine why they would give up on a 22yr old combo guard that's already scoring at a high level with a crazy work ethic, or a 21yr old PG with excellent ball handling, solid instincts, and potentially game changing shooting ability.

So, who's willing to give something up for either of those players that would give the Cavs a brighter outlook than just adding another young player to the core via the draft this Summer and watching the players they have hopefully continue to improve?

[SF_Warriors]

Keep both unless you get some kind of no brainer deal for one of them. Garland can't really get to the line. Sexton is the more natural scorer. Garland a better shooter this year but likely gets a lot better open catch and shoots. Sexton the better career 3 pt shooter as well.

Garland is a little better passer but not sure he is a total starting caliber guy...efficiency (TS%) quite a bit below league average, so him taking more shots is not necessarily a good thing.

Garland is 21 years old and his TS% compared to Sexton's in his second year at the same age is 55% to 56%.

Small sample size, but Garland in his last 20 games is at 58.8 TS% with 20.8ppg. They are both talented, him and sexton. Its a shame they may suffer from the same issues as portland because they are both good players.

Some "Portland suffering" would be a nice consolation while Garland, Sexton, Okoro, and Allen continue to grow and learn. Heck, I'd also accept some "Utah suffering" as well ...

People will say the Cavs should trade Sexton or Garland, but unless another team is willing to actually sacrifice something of value, I just can't imagine why they would give up on a 22yr old combo guard that's already scoring at a high level with a crazy work ethic, or a 21yr old PG with excellent ball handling, solid instincts, and potentially game changing shooting ability.

So, who's willing to give something up for either of those players that would give the Cavs a brighter outlook than just adding another young player to the core via the draft this Summer and watching the players they have hopefully continue to improve?

Yea, at this point you gotta keep both unless an opportunity arises that would actually help improve the team. I think they can work around it but elite defensive pieces will be needed at other positions.

[bwgood77]

Keep both unless you get some kind of no brainer deal for one of them. Garland can't really get to the line. Sexton is the more natural scorer. Garland a better shooter this year but likely gets a lot better open catch and shoots. Sexton the better career 3 pt shooter as well.

Garland is a little better passer but not sure he is a total starting caliber guy...efficiency (TS%) quite a bit below league average, so him taking more shots is not necessarily a good thing.

Garland is 21 years old and his TS% compared to Sexton's in his second year at the same age is 55% to 56%.

Small sample size, but Garland in his last 20 games is at 58.8 TS% with 20.8ppg. They are both talented, him and sexton. Its a shame they may suffer from the same issues as portland because they are both good players.

Some "Portland suffering" would be a nice consolation while Garland, Sexton, Okoro, and Allen continue to grow and learn. Heck, I'd also accept some "Utah suffering" as well ...

People will say the Cavs should trade Sexton or Garland, but unless another team is willing to actually sacrifice something of value, I just can't imagine why they would give up on a 22yr old combo guard that's already scoring at a high level with a crazy work ethic, or a 21yr old PG with excellent ball handling, solid instincts, and potentially game changing shooting ability.

So, who's willing to give something up for either of those players that would give the Cavs a brighter outlook than just adding another young player to the core via the draft this Summer and watching the players they have hopefully continue to improve?

Yeah, that is funny to think of it from the Cavs perspective of if they could get to where Portland has been the last 5-7 years as a failure. They've been a 2nd round playoff team, a 3rd round playoff team and made the playoffs pretty often.

I'd worry about this question later if for some reason it's a problem. They don't have that many good players but they are all young and they should keep them together....they are on rookie contracts too. Now if Sexton wants a max or something that might be a different story but I doubt the market would allow him to get near that anywhere anyway.

[clyde21]

Garland is 21 years old and his TS% compared to Sexton's in his second year at the same age is 55% to 56%.

Small sample size, but Garland in his last 20 games is at 58.8 TS% with 20.8ppg. They are both talented, him and sexton. Its a shame they may suffer from the same issues as portland because they are both good players.

Some "Portland suffering" would be a nice consolation while Garland, Sexton, Okoro, and Allen continue to grow and learn. Heck, I'd also accept some "Utah suffering" as well ...

People will say the Cavs should trade Sexton or Garland, but unless another team is willing to actually sacrifice something of value, I just can't imagine why they would give up on a 22yr old combo guard that's already scoring at a high level with a crazy work ethic, or a 21yr old PG with excellent ball handling, solid instincts, and potentially game changing shooting ability.

So, who's willing to give something up for either of those players that would give the Cavs a brighter outlook than just adding another young player to the core via the draft this Summer and watching the players they have hopefully continue to improve?

Yea, at this point you gotta keep both unless an opportunity arises that would actually help improve the team. I think they can work around it but elite defensive pieces will be needed at other positions.

i don't think anyone is suggesting you dump Sexton for nothing, obviously you do it if it helps the team...but doesn't mean Altman shouldn't actively be looking to make that happen.

i think something like Sexton for THT + 1 pick would make sense for both Cavs and Lakers.

[yoyoboy]

The best thing about Garland as of late is how he’s learned to run around off the ball, look for openings for shooting space, and take advantage of his shooting ability. Night and day difference from last year and earlier in the season when he looked scared to take threes.

Last night he had a bad string of plays to end the game, but I really liked what he was doing. He was aggressive and the shots just didn’t go down. He’s actually trying to take the ball inside and learning how to overcome his size.

[Roger Murdock]

Sexton would be at his best next to a tall lead guard. He plays offball on offense, scores his efficient 20-25ppg and defends a point. The tall lead guard picks up the wing and orchestrates the offense.

That means these are the fits IMO - CHA, DAL, PHI, SAS, probably a few others I'm forgetting

Spitballing ideas and I dont like any of them, but this is along the lines of where they should be thinking IMO:

Dallas - KP + Reddick for Sexton + Love. They shed a year of KP's salary and get Sexton. Would probably have to add a pick cause his contract looks terrible right now. I dont like for Cavs and I dont think Mavs would like for them

CHA - Miles Bridges + 1st for Sexton - Kinda works for both teams but I dont love it for either

PHI - Thybulle + Maxey + 1st for Sexton - I doubt they would do it and I wouldnt do it for the Cavs either

OKC - a boatload of picks?

SAS - Devin Vassell + Picks

NOP - Sexton + 1st round pick + Prince for Ingram if Pelicans want to move on from him and pair Sexton w/ Ball in backcourt

None of these really jump out to me as good trades for either team

[JonFromVA]

Some "Portland suffering" would be a nice consolation while Garland, Sexton, Okoro, and Allen continue to grow and learn. Heck, I'd also accept some "Utah suffering" as well ...

People will say the Cavs should trade Sexton or Garland, but unless another team is willing to actually sacrifice something of value, I just can't imagine why they would give up on a 22yr old combo guard that's already scoring at a high level with a crazy work ethic, or a 21yr old PG with excellent ball handling, solid instincts, and potentially game changing shooting ability.

So, who's willing to give something up for either of those players that would give the Cavs a brighter outlook than just adding another young player to the core via the draft this Summer and watching the players they have hopefully continue to improve?

Yea, at this point you gotta keep both unless an opportunity arises that would actually help improve the team. I think they can work around it but elite defensive pieces will be needed at other positions.

i don't think anyone is suggesting you dump Sexton for nothing, obviously you do it if it helps the team...but doesn't mean Altman shouldn't actively be looking to make that happen.

i think something like Sexton for THT + 1 pick would make sense for both Cavs and Lakers.

Sure if the Lakers somehow finish out of the playoffs and end up with the 4th pick in the draft again, but what does THT do for the Cavs that Isaac Okoro doesn't do?

[Johnny Bball]

Garland is going to be better. Thought they might unload Sexton this year for picks. But no rush, wait for the draft.

[karkinos]

would really like to see garland on the pacers. i think he would fit well in their back court

[SF_Warriors]

Some "Portland suffering" would be a nice consolation while Garland, Sexton, Okoro, and Allen continue to grow and learn. Heck, I'd also accept some "Utah suffering" as well ...

People will say the Cavs should trade Sexton or Garland, but unless another team is willing to actually sacrifice something of value, I just can't imagine why they would give up on a 22yr old combo guard that's already scoring at a high level with a crazy work ethic, or a 21yr old PG with excellent ball handling, solid instincts, and potentially game changing shooting ability.

So, who's willing to give something up for either of those players that would give the Cavs a brighter outlook than just adding another young player to the core via the draft this Summer and watching the players they have hopefully continue to improve?

Yea, at this point you gotta keep both unless an opportunity arises that would actually help improve the team. I think they can work around it but elite defensive pieces will be needed at other positions.

i don't think anyone is suggesting you dump Sexton for nothing, obviously you do it if it helps the team...but doesn't mean Altman shouldn't actively be looking to make that happen.

i think something like Sexton for THT + 1 pick would make sense for both Cavs and Lakers.

I actually really like both players and how their respective skillsets match. I agree there shouldnt be a rush but at the same time its definitely in the back of everyones minds as to how the cavs will build a team with them and if they can/should play together moving forward in their careers. Imo to keep them together, they would ideally need a forward situation where both of those guys are 1) not undersized and 2) can guard multiple positions at a high level while being able to contribute offensively. I like the idea of bringing one off the bench, but typically young guys with the kind of talent they have would rather start. Both these guys are clearly starter caliber players.