Future Draft Games

[parsnips33]

I may be wrong, but it seems like the last few champions have all gone way in on offense, basically overpowering other teams

Not necessarily a good or bad thing, but always interesting how these games tend to be influenced by the best teams in the real NBA (thinking Brooklyn in this case)

[Colbinii]

I may be wrong, but it seems like the last few champions have all gone way in on offense, basically overpowering other teams

Not necessarily a good or bad thing, but always interesting how these games tend to be influenced by the best teams in the real NBA (thinking Brooklyn in this case)

I think people are starting to realize offensive talents aren't as much "They need to fit perfectly to be great" and are instead realizing the truth of "These players are good enough to figure it out". If you took LeBron and Wade on paper they would be a pretty bad fit, instead in their first year together they were arguably the top 2 players in 2011 (certainly both were top 5 as they were the few years prior).

In these games, it's hard to say "Hey look, I've got 2 stars and 3 great role players (Rasheed Wallace-tier role players) and I am going to beat the guy with 3 MVP-level guys. Its hard for that to happen in life as well.

[parsnips33]

I may be wrong, but it seems like the last few champions have all gone way in on offense, basically overpowering other teams

Not necessarily a good or bad thing, but always interesting how these games tend to be influenced by the best teams in the real NBA (thinking Brooklyn in this case)

I think people are starting to realize offensive talents aren't as much "They need to fit perfectly to be great" and are instead realizing the truth of "These players are good enough to figure it out". If you took LeBron and Wade on paper they would be a pretty bad fit, instead in their first year together they were arguably the top 2 players in 2011 (certainly both were top 5 as they were the few years prior).

In these games, it's hard to say "Hey look, I've got 2 stars and 3 great role players (Rasheed Wallace-tier role players) and I am going to beat the guy with 3 MVP-level guys. Its hard for that to happen in life as well.

Yeah I guess this trend of the last couple games has been as much about supercharged offense as it has been stacking MVP level talents.

Would be interesting to see how far a team could go at a relative talent disadvantage, but pouring all that talent into the offensive side of the ball

[wackbone]

I may be wrong, but it seems like the last few champions have all gone way in on offense, basically overpowering other teams

Not necessarily a good or bad thing, but always interesting how these games tend to be influenced by the best teams in the real NBA (thinking Brooklyn in this case)

I think people are starting to realize offensive talents aren't as much "They need to fit perfectly to be great" and are instead realizing the truth of "These players are good enough to figure it out". If you took LeBron and Wade on paper they would be a pretty bad fit, instead in their first year together they were arguably the top 2 players in 2011 (certainly both were top 5 as they were the few years prior).

In these games, it's hard to say "Hey look, I've got 2 stars and 3 great role players (Rasheed Wallace-tier role players) and I am going to beat the guy with 3 MVP-level guys. Its hard for that to happen in life as well.

Yeah I guess this trend of the last couple games has been as much about supercharged offense as it has been stacking MVP level talents.

Would be interesting to see how far a team could go at a relative talent disadvantage, but pouring all that talent into the offensive side of the ball

I forget whose team it was (maybe roddy?) that recently had Magic+Reggie+Dirk etc. That was about as elite of an offense I have ever seen in one of these games, but at the expense of defense. While Fade's team was certainly uber offensive, he only had 1(2?) defensive weaknesses/liabilities. Finding that balance is key, not just going full fledge offense.

[parsnips33]

I think people are starting to realize offensive talents aren't as much "They need to fit perfectly to be great" and are instead realizing the truth of "These players are good enough to figure it out". If you took LeBron and Wade on paper they would be a pretty bad fit, instead in their first year together they were arguably the top 2 players in 2011 (certainly both were top 5 as they were the few years prior).

In these games, it's hard to say "Hey look, I've got 2 stars and 3 great role players (Rasheed Wallace-tier role players) and I am going to beat the guy with 3 MVP-level guys. Its hard for that to happen in life as well.

Yeah I guess this trend of the last couple games has been as much about supercharged offense as it has been stacking MVP level talents.

Would be interesting to see how far a team could go at a relative talent disadvantage, but pouring all that talent into the offensive side of the ball

I forget whose team it was (maybe roddy?) that recently had Magic+Reggie+Dirk etc. That was about as elite of an offense I have ever seen in one of these games, but at the expense of defense. While Fade's team was certainly uber offensive, he only had 1(2?) defensive weaknesses/liabilities. Finding that balance is key, not just going full fledge offense.

I might be wrong, but I think we saw a Steph-Harden-Jokic team just win it all recently as well. Not exactly balanced

[Colbinii]

I think people are starting to realize offensive talents aren't as much "They need to fit perfectly to be great" and are instead realizing the truth of "These players are good enough to figure it out". If you took LeBron and Wade on paper they would be a pretty bad fit, instead in their first year together they were arguably the top 2 players in 2011 (certainly both were top 5 as they were the few years prior).

In these games, it's hard to say "Hey look, I've got 2 stars and 3 great role players (Rasheed Wallace-tier role players) and I am going to beat the guy with 3 MVP-level guys. Its hard for that to happen in life as well.

Yeah I guess this trend of the last couple games has been as much about supercharged offense as it has been stacking MVP level talents.

Would be interesting to see how far a team could go at a relative talent disadvantage, but pouring all that talent into the offensive side of the ball

I forget whose team it was (maybe roddy?) that recently had Magic+Reggie+Dirk etc. That was about as elite of an offense I have ever seen in one of these games, but at the expense of defense. While Fade's team was certainly uber offensive, he only had 1(2?) defensive weaknesses/liabilities. Finding that balance is key, not just going full fledge offense.

That was mine! Magic/Gervin/Miller/Dirk/Ewing--5 top 40-45 players all-time and all in their primes!

[Fadeaway_J]

Yeah I guess this trend of the last couple games has been as much about supercharged offense as it has been stacking MVP level talents.

Would be interesting to see how far a team could go at a relative talent disadvantage, but pouring all that talent into the offensive side of the ball

I forget whose team it was (maybe roddy?) that recently had Magic+Reggie+Dirk etc. That was about as elite of an offense I have ever seen in one of these games, but at the expense of defense. While Fade's team was certainly uber offensive, he only had 1(2?) defensive weaknesses/liabilities. Finding that balance is key, not just going full fledge offense.

I might be wrong, but I think we saw a Steph-Harden-Jokic team just win it all recently as well. Not exactly balanced

I think the smaller pools provide more of an opportunity to get away with more offensively-slanted teams.

The thing about a core like Jokic-Steph-Harden or KD-Nash-Vince is, not only do you have to try and score with them, you also need a certain calibre of defensive team to guard them even halfway effectively. When the pool is small, it's less likely another team will be able to cover both bases, compared to something like a post-merger draft.

[parsnips33]

I forget whose team it was (maybe roddy?) that recently had Magic+Reggie+Dirk etc. That was about as elite of an offense I have ever seen in one of these games, but at the expense of defense. While Fade's team was certainly uber offensive, he only had 1(2?) defensive weaknesses/liabilities. Finding that balance is key, not just going full fledge offense.

I might be wrong, but I think we saw a Steph-Harden-Jokic team just win it all recently as well. Not exactly balanced

I think the smaller pools provide more of an opportunity to get away with more offensively-slanted teams.

The thing about a core like Jokic-Steph-Harden or KD-Nash-Vince is, not only do you have to try and score with them, you also need a certain calibre of defensive team to guard them even halfway effectively. When the pool is small, it's less likely another team will be able to cover both bases, compared to something like a post-merger draft.

Had not considered that, but that's a very good point

[lilroddyb]

What about a draft were you choose three guys and the guy drafting after you decides which player you will get. The players that wont be chosen will not be able to be drafted by other players

So lets say I get the first pick, I'll choose these three guys: Lebron, Michael Jordan and Magis Johnson. The guy drafting after me decides which Player I'll get. He will give me Magic Johnson so I will have to settle for Magic

The guy with the second pick chooses these three guys: Shaq, KD and Kawhi. The guy drafting after him chooses Kawhi for him. and so on and so on.

could be really messy in later rounds

I think it has potential to be fun, having some power over other peoples draft and trying to get them in difficult situations

[Dr Positivity]

Maybe a draft with 9 rounds where you draft a coach? So you have to decide how early a player pick to sacrifice for one?

[Colbinii]

What about a draft were you choose three guys and the guy drafting after you decides which player you will get. The players that wont be chosen will not be able to be drafted by other players

So lets say I get the first pick, I'll choose these three guys: Lebron, Michael Jordan and Magis Johnson. The guy drafting after me decides which Player I'll get. He will give me Magic Johnson so I will have to settle for Magic

The guy with the second pick chooses these three guys: Shaq, KD and Kawhi. The guy drafting after him chooses Kawhi for him. and so on and so on.

could be really messy in later rounds

I think it has potential to be fun, having some power over other peoples draft and trying to get them in difficult situations

I think a better version of this would be you pick 3, the next person picks 1 and then the other 2 players not pick to in for the next guy and he adds one.

You are first and select MJ, LeBron and Magic. I am after you so I give you LeBron because I am nice. I get to choose from MJ, Magic and a player I add, so I add Curry. Snakebites, who is after me, selects Curry for me. Now Snakebites chooses from MJ, Magic and a player he adds, Gerald Wallace. The player after him gives him Gerald Wallace.

You: LeBron
Me: Curry
SnakeBites: Gerald Wallace
Person 4: one of MJ, Magic, player he adds

Actually, this doesn't work because MJ and Magic would never get picked. Maybe the players clear after each round?

[Laimbeer]

If you want to mess with people, how about a draft where someone else makes your first pick for you, including the season to use? I assume it would be like a 20 fga guy and you'd have to decide if you give him a significant role or try to build the primary players with drastically reduced fga's.

[Colbinii]

If you want to mess with people, how about a draft where someone else makes your first pick for you, including the season to use?

What's to stop people from picking a terrible player?

[goober]

We could do a draft where you draft a player, and based on the player, the following GM can't pick anyone that has had played in the same division as one of his teams
IE pick 1 is Shaq
pick 2 has to be someone that hasn't played in the central, southeast, atlantic, and pacific divisions so Tim Duncan would work here
pick 3 can be anyone that hasn't played in the southwest division
etc

We could probably have a 1 MVP rule with it.

[Zion Wembanyama]

How about a game where you draft players by where they were born?



Maybe expand the states left out such as..

West division

Guam
Hawaii
Washington
Oregon
California
Idaho
Nevada
Arizona
Utah

Midwest division

New Mexico
Colorado
Wyoming
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas

Mideast division

Louisiana
Arkansas
Missouri
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Michigan
Indiana
Kentucky
Tennessee
Alabama

East division

Puerto Rico
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
North Carolina
Vrginia
West Virginia
Ohio
Washington D.C.
Pennsylvania
New York
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Vermont
Maine

Players born in Canada, Mexico and all other international locations cannot be drafted.

[wackbone]

The problem with any draft in which another drafter picks your player to any extent is the chaos that would come from a skipped pick

[parsnips33]

If you want to mess with people, how about a draft where someone else makes your first pick for you, including the season to use? I assume it would be like a 20 fga guy and you'd have to decide if you give him a significant role or try to build the primary players with drastically reduced fga's.

Oh I like this. Or after 2 rounds of the draft, everybody gets randomized again and gets assigned a team

[Colbinii]

We could do a draft where you draft a player, and based on the player, the following GM can't pick anyone that has had played in the same division as one of his teams
IE pick 1 is Shaq
pick 2 has to be someone that hasn't played in the central, southeast, atlantic, and pacific divisions so Tim Duncan would work here
pick 3 can be anyone that hasn't played in the southwest division
etc

We could probably have a 1 MVP rule with it.

I like this

[Colbinii]

We could do a draft where you draft a player, and based on the player, the following GM can't pick anyone that has had played in the same division as one of his teams
IE pick 1 is Shaq
pick 2 has to be someone that hasn't played in the central, southeast, atlantic, and pacific divisions so Tim Duncan would work here
pick 3 can be anyone that hasn't played in the southwest division
etc

We could probably have a 1 MVP rule with it.

I like this

[goober]

The problem with any draft in which another drafter picks your player to any extent is the chaos that would come from a skipped pick

I don't think in my game it would be that chaotic.

The scenario:
Pick 1 - Shaq
pick 2- skipped bc of clock
pick 3- proceeds to pick Tim Duncan, pick 2 now has to pick someone who is not from the southwest divison. or if pick 4 picks before them, pick 2 is now dependent on the divisions not used with pick 4