NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21)

[psimanic1]

Anyone who thinks Denver has a better supporting cast than Golden State minus Jokic and Curry right now need their comments from any MVP discussion to be invalid.

Well, we kinda do actually.. Out of 5 best players(with Jokic and Murray) 3 of them are on our side I would say, with Green not being able to score as much as MPJ can..

[DCasey91]

Warriors record without Curry is actually a negative on Curry’s MVP contention (Same with Embiid’s and LBJ for that matter even Harden/Giannis).

Part of being valuable is contribution, a 0/0/0/0/0 statline has zero value, part of being valuable is being a able to play

We actually don’t know (it’s theory that’s it) how bad the Nuggets actually are without Jokic because guess what he’s played every game.

If Curry/Embiid and any other MVP canditate played enough games we can reassess the situation but this it what happened this year.

MVP’s are very clear cut and how many games you play in a season which I 100% agree with.

And team record. It’s a silly argument to claim Curry as MVP with a team record barely over .500 you can rightfully be critical of an MVP canditate missing games for a legitimate case because the team floundered taking losses because the superstar can’t play. By that logic Luka should be ahead of Curry (Same with Giannis).

It’s like well if Curry/Embiid did..... no they didn’t but Jokic did for a whole year.

How about this take Jokic out who seriously has a legitimate case for MVP? It’s more than likely Giannis over everybody else and the Bucks has a worse record than the Nuggets. I mean if Jokic didn’t play for the whole season it’d be arguably one of the weakest MVP races ever.

I don’t buy the team record stuff at all they’d be second in the Eastern Conference.

It’s what’s called a double standard if you use it for one to prop up player then do the opposite of the same proposition to bring down another player the argument is null in void. It’s not how logical reasoning works. I mean if Jokic doesn’t get 80% of the 1st votes there’s still some absolute bias here.

I seriously don’t think anyone is close at all.

[FinnTheHuman]

Nuggets might end up top 3 or even top 2 in the West.

Kawhi is gonna miss more time for the Clips, and the Jazz just lost 2 in a row vs the Wolves and they seem to be struggling to figure out what to do offensively without Mitchell who is a week or two away from returning. Yeah Nuggets have a tough stretch of games, but they’re able to win against strong defensive teams because Jokic tears apart any defense pretty much. The game against the Clippers on May 1 will be very important.

And the Nuggets want to avoid the Lakers 1st round matchup, so they’ll give it their all to go to the 3rd or 2nd seed, and if the Lakers drop to 6th, we might see the Nuggets subtly, but intentionally losing to stay at 4th.

[Tomjas]

lol at Nuggets having same record in East

Lucky to be top 4

[The Rebel]

lol at Nuggets having same record in East

Lucky to be top 4

Considering how many extra games they would get against tanking teams they would likely be competing for 1st, now put the 76ers in the west and they likely are competing for a play in game.

[Genjuro]

lol at Nuggets having same record in East

Lucky to be top 4

I know I'm going to regret asking this, but why?

Their record against the East is slightly better than it is against the West....

[Genjuro]

Regarding Curry, if the Warriors make it all the way up to the 6th seed, there's going to be some serious noise. IMO it would be unfair unless Jokic gets injured like tomorrow or the Nuggets fall off a cliff, but the momentum and his popularity should help Steph, although it still could/should not be enough. You can feel most of the media not particularly excited about Jokic, and they will push for any promising candidate, if only to have something to talk about.

At this point it's nice to discuss who is carrying the biggest load, who has been better so far this season, and so on, but right now it doesn't matter much because the difference between them, whoever you think is doing better, is not significant at all compared to the gap in team record.

[Tomjas]

lol at people still talking up Jokic after recent performances of Curry & Paul

Jokicstans are looking ridiculous

[Dutchball97]

lol at people still talking up Jokic after recent performances of Curry & Paul

Jokicstans are looking ridiculous

You sound incredibly salty. Maybe take a break from basketball discussion.

[Johnny Firpo]

lol at people still talking up Jokic after recent performances of Curry & Paul

Jokicstans are looking ridiculous

What are you saying? Curry and/or Paul should win according to you?

[BelgradeNugget]

lol at people still talking up Jokic after recent performances of Curry & Paul

Jokicstans are looking ridiculous

What are you saying? Curry and/or Paul should win according to you?

I think he means Paul Curry.

[kuclas]

lol at Nuggets having same record in East

Lucky to be top 4

Considering how many extra games they would get against tanking teams they would likely be competing for 1st, now put the 76ers in the west and they likely are competing for a play in game.

Sixers record the last two seasons against west has been good. The west has their fair share of weak teams.

Healthy sixers team can go toe to toe with any western conference team. I actually think of all the eastern teams. Sixers present the biggest problem for the lakers if they make it out of the west. Even more than the nets. Now. A healthy nets team will make it out of the east. But a healthy Sixers can more than hold their own against any western team.

[The Rebel]

lol at Nuggets having same record in East

Lucky to be top 4

Considering how many extra games they would get against tanking teams they would likely be competing for 1st, now put the 76ers in the west and they likely are competing for a play in game.

Sixers record the last two seasons against west has been good. The west has their fair share of weak teams.

Healthy sixers team can go toe to toe with any western conference team. I actually think of all the eastern teams. Sixers present the biggest problem for the lakers if they make it out of the west. Even more than the nets. Now. A healthy nets team will make it out of the east. But a healthy Sixers can more than hold their own against any western team.

That are 1 game above 500 against the west this year, double the games against the west and they are fighting for a playing spot.

[kuclas]

Considering how many extra games they would get against tanking teams they would likely be competing for 1st, now put the 76ers in the west and they likely are competing for a play in game.

Sixers record the last two seasons against west has been good. The west has their fair share of weak teams.

Healthy sixers team can go toe to toe with any western conference team. I actually think of all the eastern teams. Sixers present the biggest problem for the lakers if they make it out of the west. Even more than the nets. Now. A healthy nets team will make it out of the east. But a healthy Sixers can more than hold their own against any western team.

That are 1 game above 500 against the west this year, double the games against the west and they are fighting for a playing spot.

Pretty obvious you don’t watch enough of healthy Sixers team . Read my post. I said when Sixers are healthy. That’s what happens when people just look at stats and won/lost. Read my post. When Sixers are healthy. They are really good. Against east and west.

Especially healthy Sixers starting team hasn’t lost home game since December 2019.

[SpreeS]

Jokic is MVP. I dont know what must happen for Curry/Doncic to win it. Record is matter and combination of stats/record/availability must decide the winner. Who is better, done more with less or more valuable to own team, is other question.

[Woodsanity]

lol at Nuggets having same record in East

Lucky to be top 4

West is much more competitive than the East put the crack pipe down

[Woodsanity]

Sixers record the last two seasons against west has been good. The west has their fair share of weak teams.

Healthy sixers team can go toe to toe with any western conference team. I actually think of all the eastern teams. Sixers present the biggest problem for the lakers if they make it out of the west. Even more than the nets. Now. A healthy nets team will make it out of the east. But a healthy Sixers can more than hold their own against any western team.

That are 1 game above 500 against the west this year, double the games against the west and they are fighting for a playing spot.

Pretty obvious you don’t watch enough of healthy Sixers team . Read my post. I said when Sixers are healthy. That’s what happens when people just look at stats and won/lost. Read my post. When Sixers are healthy. They are really good. Against east and west.

Especially healthy Sixers starting team hasn’t lost home game since December 2019.

Sixers team is very good though Embiid stans will say he is playing with bums.

[ptsuperfly]

Sixers record the last two seasons against west has been good. The west has their fair share of weak teams.

Healthy sixers team can go toe to toe with any western conference team. I actually think of all the eastern teams. Sixers present the biggest problem for the lakers if they make it out of the west. Even more than the nets. Now. A healthy nets team will make it out of the east. But a healthy Sixers can more than hold their own against any western team.

That are 1 game above 500 against the west this year, double the games against the west and they are fighting for a playing spot.

Pretty obvious you don’t watch enough of healthy Sixers team . Read my post. I said when Sixers are healthy. That’s what happens when people just look at stats and won/lost. Read my post. When Sixers are healthy. They are really good. Against east and west.

Especially healthy Sixers starting team hasn’t lost home game since December 2019.

No one is healthy right now. Maybe the Suns. That's about it.

Jokic is currently playing with a guard rotation of Faculty Campazzo, PJ Dozier, Shaq Harrison and Austin Rivers.

A guy who was in the Euro league last year, a guy from the G-League, and two guys who were sitting on their couch a couple months ago. Doesn't get much more barren than that.

Curry is missing Klay and Wiseman.

Jazz missing Mitchell.

Lakers missing AD and Lebron.

Clippers missing Kawhi.

Dallas missing Kristaps.

I mean, cry me a river.

[kuclas]

That are 1 game above 500 against the west this year, double the games against the west and they are fighting for a playing spot.

Pretty obvious you don’t watch enough of healthy Sixers team . Read my post. I said when Sixers are healthy. That’s what happens when people just look at stats and won/lost. Read my post. When Sixers are healthy. They are really good. Against east and west.

Especially healthy Sixers starting team hasn’t lost home game since December 2019.

No one is healthy right now. Maybe the Suns. That's about it.

Jokic is currently playing with a guard rotation of Faculty Campazzo, PJ Dozier, Shaq Harrison and Austin Rivers.

A guy who was in the Euro league last year, a guy from the G-League, and two guys who were sitting on their couch a couple months ago. Doesn't get much more barren than that.

Curry is missing Klay and Wiseman.

Jazz missing Mitchell.

Lakers missing AD and Lebron.

Clippers missing Kawhi.

Dallas missing Kristaps.

I mean, cry me a river.

Look outside of the West coast teams (Clippers/Lakers/Golden State) not many East coast fans watch west coast teams (Nuggets/portland/utah/phoenix) except hard core nba fans like me with nba league pass. (That's coming from east coast fan perspective).

Same thing with West coast fans. Many don't watch east coast teams. When Lebron left the eastern confernce, NBA ratings went down big time 28%. So I don't think many western conference fans are even trying to watch regular season eastern conference games at 430pm-530pm mountain/western time zone.

So there is a lot of bias on these post about which teams are good and which teams aren't good and most of it base on stat watching and not actually watching any of the games.

[dygaction]

Sixers record the last two seasons against west has been good. The west has their fair share of weak teams.

Healthy sixers team can go toe to toe with any western conference team. I actually think of all the eastern teams. Sixers present the biggest problem for the lakers if they make it out of the west. Even more than the nets. Now. A healthy nets team will make it out of the east. But a healthy Sixers can more than hold their own against any western team.

That are 1 game above 500 against the west this year, double the games against the west and they are fighting for a playing spot.

Pretty obvious you don’t watch enough of healthy Sixers team . Read my post. I said when Sixers are healthy. That’s what happens when people just look at stats and won/lost. Read my post. When Sixers are healthy. They are really good. Against east and west.

Especially healthy Sixers starting team hasn’t lost home game since December 2019.

We are talking about reality, 76ers are 1 game above 500 against the west this year. You are talking about imagination, when healthy. The reality is tough competition in the West would more than likely to make their team more unhealthy.