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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#901 » by Mark_83 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:20 pm

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Reeko wrote:Eh, a lot of people were excited about Haliburton. Not just on here, but even Stephen A Smith was raving about him and how he should've been the Knicks pick, before the draft. A lot of people saw him as a top 5 pick, it baffles me, and I'm sure many others, that he fell all the way to 12.

Concur on Halliburton. Would have to pull up old threads but I remember saying he was a steal falling to 12. He was an analytics darling.


I would've taken him ahead of Hayes but Detroit gambled and we'll see. Hayes did get hurt and secured them a top 5 pick so it actually worked out better for them. Had they had Haliburton they may be where the Raptors are around 26-36. So everything happens for a reason. :lol:

Hayes was the ever alluring mystery box of upside.:D

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Post#902 » by VanWest82 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:28 pm

Indeed wrote:I can see the comparison with Ayton, but I don't think he is quick enough to be Ayton. He has the potential to stretch the floor, but he does not measure well with a 7'1 wingspan. He is a bulk up Kai Jones (6'11 with 7'1 wingspan). I might have Queta slightly above him.


According to Givony his wingspan is 7'4. https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31352746/nba-draft-why-victor-wembanyama-world-most-intriguing-long-term-prospect#Hukporti

Ariel Hukporti | 7-0 center | German-Togolese | Nevezis | 19.0 years old | 44th overall

While we weren't able to see Hukporti take the floor for Nevezis in a 5 on 5 game, we did watch him go through a full individual workout with American coach David Gale in the small town of Kedainiai, Lithuania. For more on the season Hukporti is having in the Lithuanian League -- 17.1 points, 13.0 rebounds, and 2.0 blocks per 40 minutes -- here's Jonathan Givony's recent scouting report.

If NBA teams see the same 1-on-0 workout I did in Lithuania, Hukporti should garner interest in the top-40, especially with his willingness to take his time and first develop in the G League. Standing 7-0 with a 250-pound frame and a reported 7-4 wingspan, Hukporti splashed catch-and- shoot 3 after catch-and-shoot 3 with great rotation, arc and soft touch, even stepping out beyond NBA range at times.


He gets compared to Thomas Bryant in the article. I've also seen him compared to Greg Munroe. There's definitely some potential there but not a slam dunk by any means. Given his lack of track record as a shot blocker, he's probably going to have to improve his positional defense to make it. Still think he's a decent target for us.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#903 » by Mark_83 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:29 pm

mademan wrote:Still hoping Jalen Johnson drops to the Raps. I think he's a lot better than given credit for. He's got tremendous potential as a point forward who can shoot and defend, which is incredibly valuable in today's league

I don't think he's being underrated. Everyone knows he's talented. The concerns around him are primarily makeup related.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#904 » by Indeed » Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:56 pm

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Indeed wrote:Maybe he can improve some of those, but wouldn't expect him to take over games (as the scouting report said):



Ya, what makes him a better prospect than Isaiah Todd? Based on video, I can't see a skill that he's much better at than Todd, and Todd is a forward.

Moody shot 36% from college 3 while Todd shot 36% from NBA range. At least Todd is 6'10. I think their handles are comparable


Back to Kuminga dropping out of the top 5. Is Kuminga, so much a better prospect than teammate Todd that, Todd isn't even in the 1st round.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/teams/GLI/2021.html

He shot better than teammates Jarrett Jack and comparable from 3 as Jalen Green. He's just not possibly a #1 option. Better suited as a #3 option on a championship team. He's like Jalen Johnson with less intangibles.


I think Moody has a better passing (basketball IQ on making the right read) than Todd. But they play different positions, you certainly expect your SG/SF capable of making those passes, while PF/C will be more focused on finishing ability. They both are capable of fulfilling their role (less holes). But same as you, I wouldn't have Moody as high, he is more a safe pick. Oubre isn't a bad comparison.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#905 » by UcanUwill » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:00 pm

Garuba with amazing game, 24 points 12 rebounds and good defense, especially in switches, complete locked up Larkin.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#906 » by Indeed » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:02 pm

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Indeed wrote:I can see the comparison with Ayton, but I don't think he is quick enough to be Ayton. He has the potential to stretch the floor, but he does not measure well with a 7'1 wingspan. He is a bulk up Kai Jones (6'11 with 7'1 wingspan). I might have Queta slightly above him.


According to Givony his wingspan is 7'4. https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31352746/nba-draft-why-victor-wembanyama-world-most-intriguing-long-term-prospect#Hukporti

Ariel Hukporti | 7-0 center | German-Togolese | Nevezis | 19.0 years old | 44th overall

While we weren't able to see Hukporti take the floor for Nevezis in a 5 on 5 game, we did watch him go through a full individual workout with American coach David Gale in the small town of Kedainiai, Lithuania. For more on the season Hukporti is having in the Lithuanian League -- 17.1 points, 13.0 rebounds, and 2.0 blocks per 40 minutes -- here's Jonathan Givony's recent scouting report.

If NBA teams see the same 1-on-0 workout I did in Lithuania, Hukporti should garner interest in the top-40, especially with his willingness to take his time and first develop in the G League. Standing 7-0 with a 250-pound frame and a reported 7-4 wingspan, Hukporti splashed catch-and- shoot 3 after catch-and-shoot 3 with great rotation, arc and soft touch, even stepping out beyond NBA range at times.


He gets compared to Thomas Bryant in the article. I've also seen him compared to Greg Munroe. There's definitely some potential there but not a slam dunk by any means. Given his lack of track record as a shot blocker, he's probably going to have to improve his positional defense to make it. Still think he's a decent target for us.


Then he would be a capable C, but I still have Queta slightly ahead of him because of Queta being a capable passer.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#907 » by Mark_83 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:03 pm

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Indeed wrote:I can see the comparison with Ayton, but I don't think he is quick enough to be Ayton. He has the potential to stretch the floor, but he does not measure well with a 7'1 wingspan. He is a bulk up Kai Jones (6'11 with 7'1 wingspan). I might have Queta slightly above him.


According to Givony his wingspan is 7'4. https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31352746/nba-draft-why-victor-wembanyama-world-most-intriguing-long-term-prospect#Hukporti

Ariel Hukporti | 7-0 center | German-Togolese | Nevezis | 19.0 years old | 44th overall

While we weren't able to see Hukporti take the floor for Nevezis in a 5 on 5 game, we did watch him go through a full individual workout with American coach David Gale in the small town of Kedainiai, Lithuania. For more on the season Hukporti is having in the Lithuanian League -- 17.1 points, 13.0 rebounds, and 2.0 blocks per 40 minutes -- here's Jonathan Givony's recent scouting report.

If NBA teams see the same 1-on-0 workout I did in Lithuania, Hukporti should garner interest in the top-40, especially with his willingness to take his time and first develop in the G League. Standing 7-0 with a 250-pound frame and a reported 7-4 wingspan, Hukporti splashed catch-and- shoot 3 after catch-and-shoot 3 with great rotation, arc and soft touch, even stepping out beyond NBA range at times.


He gets compared to Thomas Bryant in the article. I've also seen him compared to Greg Munroe. There's definitely some potential there but not a slam dunk by any means. Given his lack of track record as a shot blocker, he's probably going to have to improve his positional defense to make it. Still think he's a decent target for us.

Bassey reminds me more of Thomas Bryant. Hukporti has quicker feet defending on the perimeter.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#908 » by Reeko » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:23 pm

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Mark_83 wrote:Concur on Halliburton. Would have to pull up old threads but I remember saying he was a steal falling to 12. He was an analytics darling.


I would've taken him ahead of Hayes but Detroit gambled and we'll see. Hayes did get hurt and secured them a top 5 pick so it actually worked out better for them. Had they had Haliburton they may be where the Raptors are around 26-36. So everything happens for a reason. :lol:

Hayes was the ever alluring mystery box of upside.:D


I think Kevin O’Connor single handedly drove Hayes’ draft stock up like 3 or 4 slots. The hype and promotion KOC was giving him was unreal.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#909 » by Dalek » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:50 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Garuba with amazing game, 24 points 12 rebounds and good defense, especially in switches, complete locked up Larkin.


I just caught that score. I will have to find some film on this because I am curious how he got his 24. I love to see those rebounding numbers. I am sure Draft Twitter is going nuts about this game. I personally hope Garuba ends up on OKC where he can develop.

I changed my opinion on him a bit after your thoughts, as he does seem undersized, like basically OG size, which is great if we didn't have so many similar types of players. I have a hard time slotting him in a C in the NBA, while he needs to have big improvements to be a PF.

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Post#910 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:18 pm

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Beal pretty athletic and an elite shooter. Dont think Suggs gets to that level. He’s all Brogdon in my mind (shooting, handling/drives)


Beal was an elite off-ball shooter, he knows how to get open, which I mentioned a month ago, and Suggs is no where near his strength, so I don't see the comparison. Suggs will need the ball in his hand to be effective.


Lol I was talking about Jalen Green I see a bit of Beal in him but a lot more athletic. Ya his shooting isn't like his but the way he gets his shot off and his midrange game reminds me of Beal, plus similar size. I wasn't talkinf about Suggs at all.

You replied to my suggs is brogdon comparison lol.
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Post#911 » by Blood Orange » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:42 pm

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Psubs wrote:I guess Springer could leap like last season's Patrick Williams. We need a couple of those and maybe Kuminga drops to us. :D

1. Houston - Cade
2. Minnesota - Mobley (pair with KAT)
3. Orlando - Jalen Green or Suggs
4. Detroit - Jalen Green or Suggs
5. Cleveland - Scottie Barnes (to playmake for Garland, Sexton and have Okoro at SF)
6. OKC - Need a gamble here! Maybe Jalen Johnson?
7. Sacramento - Need a gamble here!

Oh I dunno.


I still see Detroit and Cleveland taking a risk for a higher ceiling players with Jalen Green and Kuminga

1. Houston - Cade
2. Minnesota - Mobley
3. Orlando - Suggs (wish for Mobley?)
4. Detroit - Jalen Green
5. Cleveland - Kuminga
6. OKC - Keon Johnson (Perhaps they need guards)
7. Sacramento - Scottie Barnes (Replacing or playing with Holmes)
8. Orlando - Jalen Johnson (Gordon 2.0?)

Anyway, those would be the top 7 regardless their order, I suppose.
And Jalen Johnson, Moody, Kai Jones, Wagner, Springer, Kispert may round out the top 12 or 13?


These would be my guesses if the draft order remained as is (which it won't especially considering since the draft odds have changed at least 2 non top 5 teams have made it in there; of course all praying we're one of those :pray: ) but this is how I think it would be if it were to...


1. HOU - Cade: it's really hard to picture any team passing on him, while he may not be Luka, teams will fear being the team to pass on him as others did Luka. Even though he's more Tatum with better passing and floor generalship, he's going to be a flat out stud, hard to picture him not working out

2. MIN - Mobley: I think they would actually love to take Suggs but they've clearly invested in making KAT happy with DLo and Suggs would clearly make him expendable. Towns is sadly an awful defender so I think they'll just look to continue to appease him and take a big to cover up his many faults defensively

3. ORL - Green: I absolutely wish this was us (and that we wouldn't make the mistake of taking Suggs if we were in that position) but I don't see the Magic taking another PG after investing in Fultz and then Anthony. They just moved Evan, T-Ross likely won't be sticking around so it's an easy fit and just hella fortunate to have a box office talent that will get them on TV again a la Pelicans with Zion

4. DET - Suggs: Hayes just suffered a MAJOR hip injury which many athletes never come back looking the same from see Bo Jackson and even little Isaiah Thomas - not to mention he already looked underwhelming. He'd actually be a helluva fit with Bey, Jackson, Stewart, Sekou etc moving forward and give them a much needed floor general which they sorely lack and I think Casey will love him

5. CLE - Kuminga: a very fortunate fit with their glut of PGs, then they can push Okoro over to SG since he's more that size and Kuminga can play SF or alternatively allow both PGs to play and go small ball with Okoro at SF and him at PF as they desperately try to kick Kevin Love out

6. OKC - J.Johnson: they have SGA/Maldeon at PG with Dort emerging at SG, bring in Johnson to help rebound and switch defensively with Poku, I think they'd have an ok young core with obviously a TON more picks to roll the dice on and there's plenty of talent at the SG position that they can take another shot at SG later (Christopher, Mann, Mitchell etc)

7. SAC: Scottie Barnes: they're overloaded at their guard positions, they don't seem to be too in love with Bagley anymore and they just must get better defensively so I think he'll be the pick there which is unfortunate for Barnes lol

8. ORL: Josh Giddey: I think they surprise people and take Giddey. Neither Fultz or Anthony are great distributors and they just cleared the runway at SG for Green with Isaac and Bomba as their post players so Josh should help them share the ball bit better

Then there's us and I think it's one of 3 players...

9. TOR - Kai Jones OR James Bouknight OR Keon Johnson

Bouknight (or K Johnson) because he could become one of the better scoring SGs in time and I like the strategy of in time him growing into a starting position and moving Trent to a PG like role then move Freddy for an upgrade at C but regardless I think he is a very Raptor like pick because he has good defensive instincts but he's also a smart, versatile player I think Nurse will like and almost allow some replication between starters FVV/Trent and Flynn/Bouknight where there isn't much dip (if any in time). I don't think Keon Johnson is the same personality or "cultural" fit but he has an outside chance because he just has some really nice raw potential that perhaps our scouting department is too tough for them to pass on developing

BUT I could likewise see the Raps taking Kai Jones, although I'm no longer a huge fan of it because I just don't like players with low production. It's generally a bad sign of unassertiveness and likely means he will be another kid that will develop into a heck of a roleplayer that will excite our fans with his flashes of great athleticism, but come Playoff time, I'd just prefer having more guys like Bouknight to get us a bucket than Jones just being another cog in the system. It's not like he's an excellent defender but again I'm sure in time we'd make something of him. I'd just personally like another scoring option for the Playoffs and prefer pursuing Paul Reed (who think is/will be a MUCH better option) in a S&T of Kyle to PHI. If we don't take him I can see him dropping all the way to the Hornets



This is a really thoughtful post and I applaud you for taking the time to write it up. However, I slightly disagree with one minor point, in which Keon Johnson wouldn't be a "cultural fit". I actually believe the opposite, that Keon would be a really great fit with our organization and team, after having watched a couple of post game interviews with him and also just watching his determined high motor basketball playing style. He seems like a really sensible, grounded, and rational individual that understands certain nuances of basketball, intuitively, and naturally is a very high BBall IQ player. He appears he's already a highly coachable player and in one interview he mentions his relationship with the coach, Rick Barnes, at Tennessee of how he appreciates that he knows that they both have the same goals of wanting him to become the best player possible and adhering to his counsel, as well as getting to the gym extra early to practice, and staying later for additional reps. I also really like how in the first video he mentions how he prides himself on his defence and his desire of wanting to lock down the best player on the other team and how he feels quite capable of guarding the 1, 2 or 3 positions. Its obvious that Keon's primed to becoming an elite 2-way player, which is what I think the Raps need, rather than another one dimensional, one trick pony.





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Post#912 » by Psubs » Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:24 pm

Dalek wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Garuba with amazing game, 24 points 12 rebounds and good defense, especially in switches, complete locked up Larkin.


I just caught that score. I will have to find some film on this because I am curious how he got his 24. I love to see those rebounding numbers. I am sure Draft Twitter is going nuts about this game. I personally hope Garuba ends up on OKC where he can develop.

I changed my opinion on him a bit after your thoughts, as he does seem undersized, like basically OG size, which is great if we didn't have so many similar types of players. I have a hard time slotting him in a C in the NBA, while he needs to have big improvements to be a PF.

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I found highlights:

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Young Montrezl Harrell that has 3-pt shooting potential?
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Post#913 » by Indeed » Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:28 pm

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UcanUwill wrote:Garuba with amazing game, 24 points 12 rebounds and good defense, especially in switches, complete locked up Larkin.


I just caught that score. I will have to find some film on this because I am curious how he got his 24. I love to see those rebounding numbers. I am sure Draft Twitter is going nuts about this game. I personally hope Garuba ends up on OKC where he can develop.

I changed my opinion on him a bit after your thoughts, as he does seem undersized, like basically OG size, which is great if we didn't have so many similar types of players. I have a hard time slotting him in a C in the NBA, while he needs to have big improvements to be a PF.

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Spoiler:
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So far not seeing the switch, probably his footwork, as he got blowby, but he can recover for a block.
He will be a stretch PF, as it seems his 3 point spot up seems to be consistent (30%), but his free throw is something he needs to improve (60%).

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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#914 » by FelixD » Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:42 pm

Psubs wrote:
Dalek wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Garuba with amazing game, 24 points 12 rebounds and good defense, especially in switches, complete locked up Larkin.


I just caught that score. I will have to find some film on this because I am curious how he got his 24. I love to see those rebounding numbers. I am sure Draft Twitter is going nuts about this game. I personally hope Garuba ends up on OKC where he can develop.

I changed my opinion on him a bit after your thoughts, as he does seem undersized, like basically OG size, which is great if we didn't have so many similar types of players. I have a hard time slotting him in a C in the NBA, while he needs to have big improvements to be a PF.

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I found highlights:

Spoiler:
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Young Montrezl Harrell that has 3-pt shooting potential?

Garuba projects to be a very good defender, legit DPOY potential
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#915 » by Dalek » Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:44 pm

Psubs wrote:
Dalek wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Garuba with amazing game, 24 points 12 rebounds and good defense, especially in switches, complete locked up Larkin.


I just caught that score. I will have to find some film on this because I am curious how he got his 24. I love to see those rebounding numbers. I am sure Draft Twitter is going nuts about this game. I personally hope Garuba ends up on OKC where he can develop.

I changed my opinion on him a bit after your thoughts, as he does seem undersized, like basically OG size, which is great if we didn't have so many similar types of players. I have a hard time slotting him in a C in the NBA, while he needs to have big improvements to be a PF.

/edit

I found highlights:

Spoiler:
;ab_channel=TresMasUno


Young Montrezl Harrell that has 3-pt shooting potential?


I think Garuba's wingspan is around 7'2" and with his mixed bag of shooting, I kind of see him as this year's Precious Achiuwa. He is like a smarter version of Precious but maybe not quite as explosive.
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Post#916 » by Psubs » Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:49 pm

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Psubs wrote:
Dalek wrote:
I just caught that score. I will have to find some film on this because I am curious how he got his 24. I love to see those rebounding numbers. I am sure Draft Twitter is going nuts about this game. I personally hope Garuba ends up on OKC where he can develop.

I changed my opinion on him a bit after your thoughts, as he does seem undersized, like basically OG size, which is great if we didn't have so many similar types of players. I have a hard time slotting him in a C in the NBA, while he needs to have big improvements to be a PF.

/edit

I found highlights:

Spoiler:
;ab_channel=TresMasUno


Young Montrezl Harrell that has 3-pt shooting potential?


I think Garuba's wingspan is around 7'2" and with his mixed bag of shooting, I kind of see him as this year's Precious Achiuwa. He is like a smarter version of Precious but maybe not quite as explosive.


Maybe he's this year's Onyeka Okongwu?
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#917 » by Dalek » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:07 am

Psubs wrote:
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Young Montrezl Harrell that has 3-pt shooting potential?


I think Garuba's wingspan is around 7'2" and with his mixed bag of shooting, I kind of see him as this year's Precious Achiuwa. He is like a smarter version of Precious but maybe not quite as explosive.


Maybe he's this year's Onyeka Okongwu?


I would believe it. I think he will go lottery because this season especially he has rapidly improved. His freethrow percentage is up to the mid-seventies since March as has his 3 point shooting which is in the low 40s on small numbers. He always had some decent shortroll passing. All this to say he won't kill you on offense even if his hands are not perfect.

On defense he does stick with guards for the most part and he is really a quick processor on help defense.

I just think he looks like he has small hands and not a huge vert. So his rebounding and shotblocking won't be great. A team with patience that has a 7ft shotblocker might love him. OKC with their combo of Moses Brown and Poku seem like a great fit for Garuba. Orlando is also an option as they have freed up their frontcourt.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#918 » by UcanUwill » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:16 am

Psubs wrote:
Dalek wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Garuba with amazing game, 24 points 12 rebounds and good defense, especially in switches, complete locked up Larkin.


I just caught that score. I will have to find some film on this because I am curious how he got his 24. I love to see those rebounding numbers. I am sure Draft Twitter is going nuts about this game. I personally hope Garuba ends up on OKC where he can develop.

I changed my opinion on him a bit after your thoughts, as he does seem undersized, like basically OG size, which is great if we didn't have so many similar types of players. I have a hard time slotting him in a C in the NBA, while he needs to have big improvements to be a PF.

/edit

I found highlights:

Spoiler:
;ab_channel=TresMasUno


Young Montrezl Harrell that has 3-pt shooting potential?


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Post#919 » by Psubs » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:20 am

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I think Garuba's wingspan is around 7'2" and with his mixed bag of shooting, I kind of see him as this year's Precious Achiuwa. He is like a smarter version of Precious but maybe not quite as explosive.


Maybe he's this year's Onyeka Okongwu?


I would believe it. I think he will go lottery because this season especially he has rapidly improved. His freethrow percentage is up to the mid-seventies since March as has his 3 point shooting which is in the low 40s on small numbers. He always had some decent shortroll passing. All this to say he won't kill you on offense even if his hands are not perfect.

On defense he does stick with guards for the most part and he is really a quick processor on help defense.

I just think he looks like he has small hands and not a huge vert. So his rebounding and shotblocking won't be great. A team with patience that has a 7ft shotblocker might love him. OKC with their combo of Moses Brown and Poku seem like a great fit for Garuba. Orlando is also an option as they have freed up their frontcourt.


Magic could draft Kuminga in the top 5 and take Garuba with the Chicago pick.

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Post#920 » by DG88 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:58 am

I think I've settled on Keon Johnson as the player I'd take if he's available at our pick.
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