tontoz wrote:Lets not gloss over the fact that Russ' 5 turnovers per game leads the NBA and his TS of 50% is pretty bad.
I don't really see anyone glossing over those glaringly obvious points.
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tontoz wrote:Lets not gloss over the fact that Russ' 5 turnovers per game leads the NBA and his TS of 50% is pretty bad.
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:tontoz wrote:Lets not gloss over the fact that Russ' 5 turnovers per game leads the NBA and his TS of 50% is pretty bad.
I don't really see anyone glossing over those glaringly obvious points.
nate33 wrote:In his first 19 games, Russ averaged per 36: 20.5 pts, 9.9 rebs, 10.3 ast, 5.3 to's, .467 TS%, USG 31.1%
In the last 36 games, Russ averaged per 36: 22.4 pts, 11.7 reb, 11.4 ast, 4.8 to's, .516 TS%, USG 30.8%
His efficiency in the first 19 games was so mind-numbingly bad that it was impossible to win if he had even an average game. It took an outlier good game for the Wizards to have a chance, and on his bad games, there was absolutely no hope.
In the last 36 games, his efficiency is still bad, but no longer quite so dramatically detrimental. League average TS% of .572, so he is definitely hurting us when he shoots. But you can argue that his massive contributions in rebounding and passing offset that inefficiency to some degree.
payitforward wrote:nate33 wrote:In his first 19 games, Russ averaged per 36: 20.5 pts, 9.9 rebs, 10.3 ast, 5.3 to's, .467 TS%, USG 31.1%
In the last 36 games, Russ averaged per 36: 22.4 pts, 11.7 reb, 11.4 ast, 4.8 to's, .516 TS%, USG 30.8%
His efficiency in the first 19 games was so mind-numbingly bad that it was impossible to win if he had even an average game. It took an outlier good game for the Wizards to have a chance, and on his bad games, there was absolutely no hope.
In the last 36 games, his efficiency is still bad, but no longer quite so dramatically detrimental. League average TS% of .572, so he is definitely hurting us when he shoots. But you can argue that his massive contributions in rebounding and passing offset that inefficiency to some degree.
Great!!
As to his TS%, however, I think it would be more sensible to quantify the deficit with respect to the average TS% of PGs rather than the average TS% of all players. I have that at .536. You may have something slightly different.
nate33 wrote:In his first 19 games, Russ averaged per 36: 20.5 pts, 9.9 rebs, 10.3 ast, 5.3 to's, .467 TS%, USG 31.1%
In the last 36 games, Russ averaged per 36: 22.4 pts, 11.7 reb, 11.4 ast, 4.8 to's, .516 TS%, USG 30.8%
His efficiency in the first 19 games was so mind-numbingly bad that it was impossible to win if he had even an average game. It took an outlier good game for the Wizards to have a chance, and on his bad games, there was absolutely no hope.
In the last 36 games, his efficiency is still bad, but no longer quite so dramatically detrimental. League average TS% of .572, so he is definitely hurting us when he shoots. But you can argue that his massive contributions in rebounding and passing offset that inefficiency to some degree.
nate33 wrote:payitforward wrote:nate33 wrote:In his first 19 games, Russ averaged per 36: 20.5 pts, 9.9 rebs, 10.3 ast, 5.3 to's, .467 TS%, USG 31.1%
In the last 36 games, Russ averaged per 36: 22.4 pts, 11.7 reb, 11.4 ast, 4.8 to's, .516 TS%, USG 30.8%
His efficiency in the first 19 games was so mind-numbingly bad that it was impossible to win if he had even an average game. It took an outlier good game for the Wizards to have a chance, and on his bad games, there was absolutely no hope.
In the last 36 games, his efficiency is still bad, but no longer quite so dramatically detrimental. League average TS% of .572, so he is definitely hurting us when he shoots. But you can argue that his massive contributions in rebounding and passing offset that inefficiency to some degree.
Great!!
As to his TS%, however, I think it would be more sensible to quantify the deficit with respect to the average TS% of PGs rather than the average TS% of all players. I have that at .536. You may have something slightly different.
Good point.
And more importantly, I wonder what the average TS% of a PG who shoots shots when he shoots his shots. For example, if you are a PG who tends only to shoot bail-out shots late in the shot clock in a half court set, then one would expect a lower TS%. If you primarily shoot on fast breaks, one would expect a high TS%.
Basically, it's plausible that Westbook's TS% isn't really that bad relative to guys who take shots under similar circumstances.
tontoz wrote:His game last night was truly amazing, not just because of the numbers but also the circumstances.
The team clearly wasn't ready to play. They were facing a playoff team that was on a roll. They didn't match up well with dallas due to the size of their backcourt.
They were down 18 early in the 2nd quarter. It would have been easy to just roll over the way past wizards teams have done time and again.
Russ was like f this and just went off.
dobrojim wrote:Was checking in on the DEN game the other night and the announcers were gushing
about Joker, and not for no reason, as a leading MVP candidate.
After being critical of Russ early in the season, I wonder if he doesn't deserve
some consideration. He is averaging more rebounds and assists than J (iirc).
No one questions Jokers bona fides. And Westbrook isn't even in the conversation.
Yeah it's about wins. Should it be?
dobrojim wrote:Was checking in on the DEN game the other night and the announcers were gushing
about Joker, and not for no reason, as a leading MVP candidate.
After being critical of Russ early in the season, I wonder if he doesn't deserve
some consideration. He is averaging more rebounds and assists than J (iirc).
No one questions Jokers bona fides. And Westbrook isn't even in the conversation.
Yeah it's about wins. Should it be?
tontoz wrote:dobrojim wrote:Was checking in on the DEN game the other night and the announcers were gushing
about Joker, and not for no reason, as a leading MVP candidate.
After being critical of Russ early in the season, I wonder if he doesn't deserve
some consideration. He is averaging more rebounds and assists than J (iirc).
No one questions Jokers bona fides. And Westbrook isn't even in the conversation.
Yeah it's about wins. Should it be?
Me thinks you haven't been paying much attention this season.
Russ has been playing better lately, and was a monster last game, but this is probably his worst season in 10 years. Not trying to downplay his effect on the rest of the team but the numbers aren't lying.
doclinkin wrote:I was totally wrong to doubt. Russ even with any flaws is now one of my top favorite Wizards ever. It's still Hibachi first, because of the everything. But damn. His effect on young players like Rui and Gafford is fun to watch
doclinkin wrote:I was wrong. Heartbroken about Wall, I was unhappy to see Russ on this team. I saw the difficult he had playing with other HOF players, taking their possessions for his inefficient scoring game. But this Russ is a different player than he has been. Here he is not simply gunning for stats and getting baited into shoot outs, but is making players around him better, Wild to see him evolve as a leader. His effect on young players like Rui and Gafford is fun to watch. Not only his passes, as the team develops chemistry around him, but his attitude is infectious, bringing out high effort high energy mindset up and down the bench. And in fans.
I still don't like Ted, and doubt Brooks, but I like Tommy more and more. He has built a team ideal for Russ in adding Len and Gafford and Lopez on the interior to shore up our defense. Neto on the outside for scrappy ranged gunning. Retaining Bertans to add space, and keeping savvy pro's pro Ish Smith as a stabilizing force. Even a player like Gill manages to contribute professionalism and solid play when needed. Russ' in this stretch at least seems to bring out the best of the guys around him. The team has swagger that hasn't been seen here since the Hibachi era. Plus defense.
I was totally wrong to doubt. Russ even with any flaws is now one of my top favorite Wizards ever. It's still Hibachi first, because of the everything. But damn.