tiderulz wrote:i guess i should say Center more than "big man".
Many of the contending teams this year strongly utilize their "Center": Utah, Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Atlanta, and Philadelphia. ANn whatever you want to call Davis for LAL.
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tiderulz wrote:i guess i should say Center more than "big man".
drsd wrote:tiderulz wrote:just from what ive seen. a big man will get you to the playoffs, but winning is being done by wing players.
Positions as stated by basketball reference
2019–20 Los Angeles Lakers, best players PG and PF (James and Davis)
2018–19 Toronto Raptors, best players SF and PF (Leonard and Siakam)
2017-18 Golden State Warriors, best players PG and SF (Curry and Durant)
2016-17 Golden State Warriors, best players PG and PF (Curry and Durant)
2015–16 Cleveland Cavaliers, best players PG, SF, and PF (Irving, James, and Love)
2014–15 Golden State Warriors, best players PG and SG (Curry and Thompson)
2013-14 San Antonio Spurs, best players SG, SF, and C (Ginóbili, Leonard, and Duncan)
2012–13 Miami Heat, best players SG, PF, and C (Wade, James, and Bosh)
2011–12 Miami Heat, best players SG, SF, and PF (Wade, James, and Bosh)
2010–11 Dallas Mavericks, SG and PF (Terry and Nowitzki)
We can argue what positions James and Durant played, and other features above, but in 9 of 10 Champions of the last ten year, a best-player included a Big. In that sense, the 2014–15 Golden State Warriors is the exception and not the rule.
I guess my point is that it is common for Championship teams to have two excellent player with one in the backcourt and one in the forecourt, and it doesn't hurt to have a third. For me this is why rosters like Portlands are failed in design, and why I really, really like Utah and Denver as constructed.
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Xatticus wrote:Kispert might be Joe Harris. He might be Luke Kennard. How valuable are these guys?
MagicMatic wrote:Unless the idea is to get a complimentary player first and worry later about a lead scorer, which I don’t think should ever be the goal.
drsd wrote:tiderulz wrote:i guess i should say Center more than "big man".
Many of the contending teams this year strongly utilize their "Center": Utah, Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Atlanta, and Philadelphia. ANn whatever you want to call Davis for LAL.
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drsd wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Unless the idea is to get a complimentary player first and worry later about a lead scorer, which I don’t think should ever be the goal.
Towards next season's end, Orlando should have this depth chart:
Fultz/Anthony/Hampton
Harris/Ross/Bacon
Isaac/Carter-Williams/xxxx
Okeke/xxxx/xxxx
Carter/Bamba/xxxx
Clearly the high FRO could change the above. And the Bulls FRP should be about a good rotational player. The SRP would nicely fill out the 3rd strong SF or third-strong C clots.
So to your point, after the Magic gets their expected 2022/23 starter from a hopefully top-5 selection, the roster is basically set. If Orlando draft a guard, said player would slot as the starter in 2022.
Then it is all about wether such a player works well with Fultz, Isaac, and Okeke. Orlando is clearly not prioritising the C slot, and will ride Carter and Bamba as screen-setters and occasional long-ball shooters.
My point: this draft will determine wether Orlando will be relevant in 2022/23. It is probably the most important selection this Magic will have made since the 2014 draft (Gordon). As then, now this pick sets the tone for the type of team Orlando aspires to be.
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drsd wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Unless the idea is to get a complimentary player first and worry later about a lead scorer, which I don’t think should ever be the goal.
Towards next season's end, Orlando should have this depth chart:
Fultz/Anthony/Hampton
Harris/Ross/Bacon
Isaac/Carter-Williams/xxxx
Okeke/xxxx/xxxx
Carter/Bamba/xxxx
Clearly the high FRO could change the above. And the Bulls FRP should be about a good rotational player. The SRP would nicely fill out the 3rd strong SF or third-strong C clots.
So to your point, after the Magic gets their expected 2022/23 starter from a hopefully top-5 selection, the roster is basically set. If Orlando draft a guard, said player would slot as the starter in 2022.
Then it is all about wether such a player works well with Fultz, Isaac, and Okeke. Orlando is clearly not prioritising the C slot, and will ride Carter and Bamba as screen-setters and occasional long-ball shooters.
My point: this draft will determine wether Orlando will be relevant in 2022/23. It is probably the most important selection this Magic will have made since the 2014 draft (Gordon). As then, now this pick sets the tone for the type of team Orlando aspires to be.
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tiderulz wrote:drsd wrote:tiderulz wrote:i guess i should say Center more than "big man".
Many of the contending teams this year strongly utilize their "Center": Utah, Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Atlanta, and Philadelphia. ANn whatever you want to call Davis for LAL.
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cmon man. Atlanta isnt a contender. Dallas, KP constantly hurt and they arent really a contender either. Utah became the team they are when Mitchell exploded, Gobert is the defensive key. About the only ones that really prioritize a big man in offense is Philly and Utah.
RookieStar wrote:tiderulz wrote:drsd wrote:
Many of the contending teams this year strongly utilize their "Center": Utah, Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Atlanta, and Philadelphia. ANn whatever you want to call Davis for LAL.
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cmon man. Atlanta isnt a contender. Dallas, KP constantly hurt and they arent really a contender either. Utah became the team they are when Mitchell exploded, Gobert is the defensive key. About the only ones that really prioritize a big man in offense is Philly and Utah.
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Did you forget DEN and that MVP-caliber dude?
tiderulz wrote:RookieStar wrote:tiderulz wrote:cmon man. Atlanta isnt a contender. Dallas, KP constantly hurt and they arent really a contender either. Utah became the team they are when Mitchell exploded, Gobert is the defensive key. About the only ones that really prioritize a big man in offense is Philly and Utah.
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Did you forget DEN and that MVP-caliber dude?
sorry, meant Philly and Denver, not Utah.
GelbeWand09 wrote:I think a scenario that only Mobley is available & the 3 Guards are gone is pretty unlikely. Someone gonna draft him at 2 or 3. Minnesota takes him instead of Green with Edwards & D-Lo already there. Cavs take him instead of Suggs. Bulls take him to be the defensive cover for Vuc, instead of Green. Toronto needs a C badly. Sacramento takes him instead of Suggs. OKC i think goes with him too instead of Suggs. Detroit probably takes him instead of Suggs because of Hayes. Houston probably takes BPA no matter position.
RookieStar wrote:GelbeWand09 wrote:I think a scenario that only Mobley is available & the 3 Guards are gone is pretty unlikely. Someone gonna draft him at 2 or 3. Minnesota takes him instead of Green with Edwards & D-Lo already there. Cavs take him instead of Suggs. Bulls take him to be the defensive cover for Vuc, instead of Green. Toronto needs a C badly. Sacramento takes him instead of Suggs. OKC i think goes with him too instead of Suggs. Detroit probably takes him instead of Suggs because of Hayes. Houston probably takes BPA no matter position.
Agree. I think its only us and our... ummmm... bias against bigs that makes us "blind" to what mobley can bring if he realizes his potential. Other teams will weigh what Mobley brings and his bust risk factor over Suggs and Green and will favor hi
pepe1991 wrote:Mobley is 7'1-215 pounds player. it will take him time to put up strenght to play full time center in nba...
drsd wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Mobley is 7'1-215 pounds player. it will take him time to put up strenght to play full time center in nba...
RookieStar wrote:drsd wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Mobley is 7'1-215 pounds player. it will take him time to put up strenght to play full time center in nba...
Aside from Dwight where he probably went to a steroid covention for the summer and insisted on taking all the free sample, he's right.. it will take timr for Mobley to go to his desired weihht and body for the C duties