KPJ with 50 point 10 assist game at 20 years old

[jpengland]

Remember when Rodrigue Beaubois dropped 40 on Steph Curry?

[Mr Peanut]

So let me get it straight...

Milwaukee drafted KPJ with the 30th pick in 2019 and they traded him to Cleveland along with Tony Snell for.....John Leuer?
And tonight KPJ dropped 50 on them.

...in the same game Christian Wood dropped 31 on them....the same Wood who was cut by them at the winter of 2018 to make room for....Pau Gasol?

...in the same game that DJ Wilson dropped 15/12 on them....the same Wilson who they drafted in 2017 instead of....John Collins?

...in the same game that donte Divincenzo dropped...3 points? The same Divincenzo whom they drafted in 2018, right before Kevin Huerter who dropped 20 on them 3 nights ago?


...and i thought that Brogdon was their big mistake....you can't make this **** up

Worst FO of a contending team by far.
These moves deserve a separate thread

I get what you're trying to say, but I can't believe no one has fact checked the first sentence yet.

Milwaukee had nothing to do with selecting KPJ. They had already traded the 30th pick a few days before the draft along with Tony Snell for Jon Leuer and promptly waived and stretched Leuer to free up money for the impending giant Middleton extension. No one really expected KPJ to be available at the end of the first round so don't think Milwaukee can take any heat for this.

It was actually my Pistons who decided that no one at pick 30 was worth keeping and decided to trade this pick to Cleveland for four second round picks.

The Cavs obviously made the right pick but screwed up thereafter and then traded him for peanuts.

The only teams that should be clowned for missing on KPJ are the Pistons and the Cavs.

[The_Hater]

He's a 29% 3pt shooter who went 9-15 from 3. I'm happy for him and all but this is the definition of something you fluke into.

22 games isn't enough to put real meaning into a percentage. Just this one game jumped his percentage up to 32%.

Ok, let me rephrase.

"He's a career 31% 3pt shooter who went 9-15 from 3. I'm happy for him and all but this is the definition of something you fluke into."

It's one game. A nice game, but still just one game. It doesn't mean he's a future All Star. It doesn't mean he's a core piece for Houston going forward, or that Cleveland were morons for trading him. It's just a good game.

Well he’s had several other very good games with the Rockets so would argue it isn’t just 1 game. He’s averaging 16/6/4 right now.

20 years old and the Cavs got a 2nd round pick for him. He might do nothing else his entire career and perhaps the Cavs won’t regret it as you said, but as of right now it’s hard to imagine that he isn’t going to have a considerably better career then the 2024 Warriors 2nd round pick. I don’t think that would be a crazy prediction.

[The_Hater]

It was so nice of the Cavs to trade the best guard on their roster for a 2nd round pick...

Chill. Houston would trade KPJ for either of Garland or Sexton in a heartbeat.

Or perhaps he ends up being better than Sexton and/or Garland. That’s also a possible outcome here.

[LastNameEver]

His game resembles a future star player. He didn’t just get hot and shoot spot up threes to the 50, he has lead scoring abilities

[Dark Faze]

Progression doesn't look like a fluke. Resembles what you'd expect from a potential all-star scoring guard. He's got to get his efficiency up but its very early in his career.

[yoyoboy]

It was so nice of the Cavs to trade the best guard on their roster for a 2nd round pick...

Chill. Houston would trade KPJ for either of Garland or Sexton in a heartbeat.

Or perhaps he ends up being better than Sexton and/or Garland. That’s also a possible outcome here.

Anyone can end up being better than anyone. Obviously that’s a theoretical possible outcome. That doesn’t change the fact that no team in the league would rather have KPJ going forward than either of Garland or Sexton.

[cupcakesnake]

The 50 piece is nice. But anyone who thinks this guarantees he's even a rotation player is forgetting that this happens.
Random forgettable NBA players who have scored 50: Corey Brewer, Tony Delk, Walt Wesley, Terrence Ross, Willie Burton, Tracy Murray.

Now KPJ has been lighting it up in Houston pretty routinely, even before the 50 piece, but I think this is another thing we forget is kind of common. There are a lot of guys in the NBA who can step into the volume scorer on a bad team role. Tony Wroten's stats in Phili (2015) look pretty identical to what KPJ is doing in Houston. Flip Murray used to have stretches like this when a bad team was desperate for a guy to dribble and take shots.

I don't want to be pessimistic, I just don't get excited anymore when a trigger happy guard gets a chance on a bad team. Maybe KPJ becomes and rotation player, but this kind of performance doesn't guarantee that at all.

[BK_2020]

All Cleveland had to do was give him a locker....

[K_chile22]

I've watched a decent amount of Houston, and Kevin Porter Jr. has been one of the bigger disasters I have ever watched on a basketball court. Cool to see him have a great night, hopefully it helps him get on track.

Definitely don't agree with this at all, he's just really hit or miss, which isn't that surprising given he's twenty and given all the usage he can handle along with a move to point guard. He's had plenty of good games, they've just been mixed with plenty of really bad ones. Much like Anthony Edwards, it's like that for young guards

Edit: For example, his last ten games
50-11-5 86.2%TS
10-5-4 35.7%TS
18-3-2 64.3%TS
22-7-3 68.7%TS
4-5-3 22.2%TS
17-4-3 53%TS
22-14-5 66%TS
9-5-4 34.6%TS
14-13-6 50%TS
14-4-3 70%TS

So I'd say four really good to great games, three pretty good to average games, and three awful games. Maybe you've just caught the bad games, but know that's not what always happens

[Dmagic]

full name?

[The_Hater]

Understand when you see draft day trades like this, Milwaukee didn’t draft KPJ for themselves, they drafted the player for Cleveland at the Cavs request. The trade, a salary dump in this case, would have been prearranged. The Bucks were trading the pick not the player.

The Cavs actually had him in their hands. That’s worse.

So let me get it straight...

Milwaukee drafted KPJ with the 30th pick in 2019 and they traded him to Cleveland along with Tony Snell for.....John Leuer?
And tonight KPJ dropped 50 on them.

...in the same game Christian Wood dropped 31 on them....the same Wood who was cut by them at the winter of 2018 to make room for....Pau Gasol?

...in the same game that DJ Wilson dropped 15/12 on them....the same Wilson who they drafted in 2017 instead of....John Collins?

...in the same game that donte Divincenzo dropped...3 points? The same Divincenzo whom they drafted in 2018, right before Kevin Huerter who dropped 20 on them 3 nights ago?


...and i thought that Brogdon was their big mistake....you can't make this **** up

Worst FO of a contending team by far.
These moves deserve a separate thread

[The_Hater]

I've watched a decent amount of Houston, and Kevin Porter Jr. has been one of the bigger disasters I have ever watched on a basketball court. Cool to see him have a great night, hopefully it helps him get on track.

Definitely don't agree with this at all, he's just really hit or miss, which isn't that surprising given he's twenty and given all the usage he can handle along with a move to point guard. He's had plenty of good games, they've just been mixed with plenty of really bad ones. Much like Anthony Edwards, it's like that for young guards

Edit: For example, his last ten games
50-11-5 86.2%TS
10-5-4 35.7%TS
18-3-2 64.3%TS
22-7-3 68.7%TS
4-5-3 22.2%TS
17-4-3 53%TS
22-14-5 66%TS
9-5-4 34.6%TS
14-13-6 50%TS
14-4-3 70%TS

So I'd say four really good to great games, three pretty good to average games, and three awful games. Maybe you've just caught the bad games, but know that's not what always happens

Well he is only 20. Hard to criticize a player for being inconsistent at age 20.

In reality, he’s exceeded all reasonable expectations during his 2nd season and looks like a talented prospect.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

So let me get it straight...

Milwaukee drafted KPJ with the 30th pick in 2019 and they traded him to Cleveland along with Tony Snell for.....John Leuer?
And tonight KPJ dropped 50 on them.

...in the same game Christian Wood dropped 31 on them....the same Wood who was cut by them at the winter of 2018 to make room for....Pau Gasol?

...in the same game that DJ Wilson dropped 15/12 on them....the same Wilson who they drafted in 2017 instead of....John Collins?

...in the same game that donte Divincenzo dropped...3 points? The same Divincenzo whom they drafted in 2018, right before Kevin Huerter who dropped 20 on them 3 nights ago?


...and i thought that Brogdon was their big mistake....you can't make this **** up

Worst FO of a contending team by far.
These moves deserve a separate thread

Its ironic and I won't stand up for the Bucks front office, but none of those things you really said shows they are a bad FO.

They traded a very late 1st rounder (They never drafted KPJ in reality) as a salary dump. CWood is a headcase who will never help a contender. DJ wilson was a throw in. It's not like Holy ****, we made a huge mistake trading DJ wilson because he one decent game.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

The 50 piece is nice. But anyone who thinks this guarantees he's even a rotation player is forgetting that this happens.
Random forgettable NBA players who have scored 50: Corey Brewer, Tony Delk, Walt Wesley, Terrence Ross, Willie Burton, Tracy Murray.

Now KPJ has been lighting it up in Houston pretty routinely, even before the 50 piece, but I think this is another thing we forget is kind of common. There are a lot of guys in the NBA who can step into the volume scorer on a bad team role. Tony Wroten's stats in Phili (2015) look pretty identical to what KPJ is doing in Houston. Flip Murray used to have stretches like this when a bad team was desperate for a guy to dribble and take shots.

I don't want to be pessimistic, I just don't get excited anymore when a trigger happy guard gets a chance on a bad team. Maybe KPJ becomes and rotation player, but this kind of performance doesn't guarantee that at all.

Corey Brewer scoring 50 points in a NBA game has to be the craziest thing ever. Like how can you give up 25 layups to a skinny SF?

[slicedbread2]

All Cleveland had to do was give him a locker....

Both parties messed up and could've handled it better, but there's a reason Kevin Porter Jr. fell to the end of the 1st round.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/6/19/18684292/kevin-porter-jr-2019-nba-draft

Dude has had an effed up life growing up in South Seattle which is a rough part of town that's gangland. His father was shot 5 times and killed while trying to save someone from being attacked when he was 4. His dad was a 3 sport athlete in football, basketball and baseball at Rainier HS. Turned out he served a 4.5 year prison sentence at the age of 19 for the death of a 14yr old girl. Luckily for him he had Jamal Crawford trying to help him get on the right track.

At USC, things didn't work out where he missed 9 games with a quad contusion and got suspended for 5 games by the team for misconduct. He averaged 9.5pts/4rbs/1.4asts on shooting splits of 47/41/52. He could've used another year at USC to mature mentally and improve his shooting especially his FT shot but the pandemic and being on the verge of being kicked out led him to declare.

Cleveland got a good price for him in giving up 4 2nds for him. Sadly he got into trouble off the court and prior to this year was arrested and charged with a felony for mishandling of a firearm following a single car accident.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30322395/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-porter-jr-arrested-weapon-charge

The locker issue was a joke and quite frankly Koby Altman could've called KPJ and allow him to move his stuff to a new locker to make space for Prince. Instead KPJ threw food at Altman and that was the last straw.

Quite frankly if he can't cut it in Houston where there's no pressure on him he's gonna be out of the league so he better not screw this up.

[airaaron32]

All Cleveland had to do was give him a locker....

Both parties messed up and could've handled it better, but there's a reason Kevin Porter Jr. fell to the end of the 1st round.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/6/19/18684292/kevin-porter-jr-2019-nba-draft

Dude has had an effed up life growing up in South Seattle which is a rough part of town that's gangland. His father was shot 5 times and killed while trying to save someone from being attacked when he was 4. His dad was a 3 sport athlete in football, basketball and baseball at Rainier HS. Turned out he served a 4.5 year prison sentence at the age of 19 for the death of a 14yr old girl. Luckily for him he had Jamal Crawford trying to help him get on the right track.

At USC, things didn't work out where he missed 9 games with a quad contusion and got suspended for 5 games by the team for misconduct. He averaged 9.5pts/4rbs/1.4asts on shooting splits of 47/41/52. He could've used another year at USC to mature mentally and improve his shooting especially his FT shot but the pandemic and being on the verge of being kicked out led him to declare.

Cleveland got a good price for him in giving up 4 2nds for him. Sadly he got into trouble off the court and prior to this year was arrested and charged with a felony for mishandling of a firearm following a single car accident.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30322395/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-porter-jr-arrested-weapon-charge

The locker issue was a joke and quite frankly Koby Altman could've called KPJ and allow him to move his stuff to a new locker to make space for Prince. Instead KPJ threw food at Altman and that was the last straw.

Quite frankly if he can't cut it in Houston where there's no pressure on him he's gonna be out of the league so he better not screw this up.

Yeah, that's pretty sad. I believe he could be a high-level starter in this league, he just needs to keep (or just get) his head on straight to do so. Hopefully, he gets the help or mindset breakthrough he needs mentally to thrive in the league. Whether that happens or not, lord knows.

[Jadoogar]

I know he has off court issues but i'm really surprised the Cavs gave him away for nothing. Cleveland isn't headed anywhere, they needed to load up on talent. It's arguable Porter is better than either of the Cavs' young guards.

[The_Hater]

Chill. Houston would trade KPJ for either of Garland or Sexton in a heartbeat.

Or perhaps he ends up being better than Sexton and/or Garland. That’s also a possible outcome here.

Anyone can end up being better than anyone. Obviously that’s a theoretical possible outcome. That doesn’t change the fact that no team in the league would rather have KPJ going forward than either of Garland or Sexton.

Anyone could end up being better then anyone theoretically, but obviously some young players flash a lot more talent and upside then others. Let’s not pretend that throwing everyone into the same potential barrel is an intelligent argument. It’s just a lazy one.

And most teams would likely rather have Sexton and Garland, but a huge reason for that is Porter’s off court issues, not his talent and upside. And it doesn’t change the fact that the rebuilding Cavs lost a talented young 20 year old for basically nothing which definitely hurts. (And yes, i know the internal details behind the move).

[chrbal]

I get what you're trying to say, but I can't believe no one has fact checked the first sentence yet.

Milwaukee had nothing to do with selecting KPJ. They had already traded the 30th pick a few days before the draft along with Tony Snell for Jon Leuer and promptly waived and stretched Leuer to free up money for the impending giant Middleton extension. No one really expected KPJ to be available at the end of the first round so don't think Milwaukee can take any heat for this.

It was actually my Pistons who decided that no one at pick 30 was worth keeping and decided to trade this pick to Cleveland for four second round picks.

The Cavs obviously made the right pick but screwed up thereafter and then traded him for peanuts.

The only teams that should be clowned for missing on KPJ are the Pistons and the Cavs.[/quote]