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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#201 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:19 pm

One part that bothers me from the management side is you had 15 years to get to know Aaron's personality so you had to know this exact situation was a possibility when you made that Love pick. He's one of the most thin skinned petty dudes out there.

You can't sit there today and be like 'oh my god I can't believe this is happening'

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#202 » by skones » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:20 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:You guys are reading this wrong it seems. "Repaired to his liking" = "Trade me where I want to go". It's either that or he's retiring.
Nah. That's not what repair means.

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#203 » by RRyder823 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:24 pm

Let him retire. Good lord for all the bitching about NBA players forcing teams hands there's alot of support to give into the temper tamptrum.

Stick to your principle. "Return" be damned. Let him retire if he wants to

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#204 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:30 pm

RRyder823 wrote:Let him retire. Good lord for all the bitching about NBA players forcing teams hands there's alot of support to give into the temper tamptrum.

Stick to your principle. "Return" be damned. Let him retire if he wants to

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That's classic cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you can get a windfall of assets to help young Jordan Love's transition to starter, you obviously do it.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#205 » by RRyder823 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:33 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:Let him retire. Good lord for all the bitching about NBA players forcing teams hands there's alot of support to give into the temper tamptrum.

Stick to your principle. "Return" be damned. Let him retire if he wants to

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That's classic cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you can get a windfall of assets to help young Jordan Love's transition to starter, you obviously do it.
Until Adams realizes he can do the same thing. Then Jaire. Then Clark. Then....

It's about sending the message this doesn't get tolerated much less rewarded

Now if Denver offers 4 1sts and 4 2nds I take that. But Im thinking about taking that regardless of yesterday

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#206 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:48 pm

I hope this is all overblown and can be worked out, but you absolutely trade him for a king's ransom if it can't as opposed to spitefully letting him sit out. This ain't the NBA where superstars have all the leverage and your team is screwed without one. If they do end up trading him after June 1st, I'd already be pretty disappointed that we didn't jump on that rumored San Fran package (even if I'd rather not trade him within the conference), taken Pitts at #3, and gotten an entire war chest of future picks in addition.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#207 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:53 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:Let him retire. Good lord for all the bitching about NBA players forcing teams hands there's alot of support to give into the temper tamptrum.

Stick to your principle. "Return" be damned. Let him retire if he wants to

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That's classic cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you can get a windfall of assets to help young Jordan Love's transition to starter, you obviously do it.
Until Adams realizes he can do the same thing. Then Jaire. Then Clark. Then....

It's about sending the message this doesn't get tolerated much less rewarded

Now if Denver offers 4 1sts and 4 2nds I take that. But Im thinking about taking that regardless of yesterday

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I don't know why you think this would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Superstars have forced their way out since forever. If you can get a haul, do it and get Love help.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#208 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:59 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
That's classic cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you can get a windfall of assets to help young Jordan Love's transition to starter, you obviously do it.
Until Adams realizes he can do the same thing. Then Jaire. Then Clark. Then....

It's about sending the message this doesn't get tolerated much less rewarded

Now if Denver offers 4 1sts and 4 2nds I take that. But Im thinking about taking that regardless of yesterday

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I don't know why you think this would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Superstars have forced their way out since forever. If you can get a haul, do it and get Love help.
Right? This **** been happening since the 70s.

You know why NBA teams typically give in? Not out of the kindness of their hearts it's because they assess the situation and put the petty spite aside and do what's best for the team.

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Post#209 » by XtremeDunkz » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:03 pm

Trade him to Denver. Get Surtain, tonight's 2nd and next year's 1st. All of you saying go retire are just being dumb. You can get a legit haul for him. Do it.

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#210 » by CWoodfan » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:05 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:One part that bothers me from the management side is you had 15 years to get to know Aaron's personality so you had to know this exact situation was a possibility when you made that Love pick. He's one of the most thin skinned petty dudes out there.

You can't sit there today and be like 'oh my god I can't believe this is happening'

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It ain't that complicated.

Gutey obviously thought Rodgers' skills were eroding and thus that Jordan, whom he obviously rated highly, was a no brainer selection.

The plan was obviously to give Love a year or two before Gutey put his QB in place.

When ARod said his 2020 MVP season threw a wrench in some plans ... he wasn't just whistling Dixie.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#211 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:15 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:One part that bothers me from the management side is you had 15 years to get to know Aaron's personality so you had to know this exact situation was a possibility when you made that Love pick. He's one of the most thin skinned petty dudes out there.

You can't sit there today and be like 'oh my god I can't believe this is happening'

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It ain't that complicated.

Gutey obviously thought Rodgers' skills were eroding and thus that Jordan, whom he obviously rated highly, was a no brainer selection.

The plan was obviously to give Love a year or two before Gutey put his QB in place.

When ARod said his 2020 MVP season threw a wrench in some plans ... he wasn't just whistling Dixie.
Sure I agree with all that. What I'm saying is when you look at all the future possibilities before making that pick Rodgers playing well then asking out should have been a scenario that could happen. If the plan on that was we'll just dig our heels in and do this all on our terms I think that's a mistake.

I also just kind of get a 'we can't believe this is happening to us' vibe that just seems ridiculous.

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#212 » by RRyder823 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:26 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:Trade him to Denver. Get Surtain, tonight's 2nd and next year's 1st. All of you saying go retire are just being dumb. You can get a legit haul for him. Do it.

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#213 » by stillgotgame » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:35 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:Trade him to Denver. Get Surtain, tonight's 2nd and next year's 1st. All of you saying go retire are just being dumb. You can get a legit haul for him. Do it.

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It's not. Why the hell would we want another rookie corner, are we trading Jaire too?

Us drafting a corner after Denver drafting a corner is an interesting coincidence.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#214 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:43 pm

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#215 » by Matches Malone » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:07 pm

I knew Rodgers was helping out small businesses during the pandemic, but I didn't know it extended to radio hosts :wink:

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#216 » by M-C-G » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:27 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:Until Adams realizes he can do the same thing. Then Jaire. Then Clark. Then....

It's about sending the message this doesn't get tolerated much less rewarded

Now if Denver offers 4 1sts and 4 2nds I take that. But Im thinking about taking that regardless of yesterday

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I don't know why you think this would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Superstars have forced their way out since forever. If you can get a haul, do it and get Love help.
Right? This **** been happening since the 70s.

You know why NBA teams typically give in? Not out of the kindness of their hearts it's because they assess the situation and put the petty spite aside and do what's best for the team.

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I would ABSOLUTELY trade him 10 times out of 10, same goes for Adams. Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we are about to start a rebuild. It might end up not being this year, it might be next year, but just commit to the rebuild and hope Love shows enough early that you can use FA to build up the roster around him and lock in the extensions.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#217 » by M-C-G » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:31 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:Trade him to Denver. Get Surtain, tonight's 2nd and next year's 1st. All of you saying go retire are just being dumb. You can get a legit haul for him. Do it.

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Stafford went for two first round picks, a third, and they had to eat Goff's bad salary.

Rodgers is probably worth a first this year (Surtain), the 40th pick, next years first and then either another future first or Jerry Jeudy. If we had another suitor we could probably squeeze them for more but this seems to be the logical trade. Maybe we add Kevin King and get back a mid round pick on top just to balance the rosters a bit.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#218 » by M-C-G » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:34 pm

CWoodfan wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:One part that bothers me from the management side is you had 15 years to get to know Aaron's personality so you had to know this exact situation was a possibility when you made that Love pick. He's one of the most thin skinned petty dudes out there.

You can't sit there today and be like 'oh my god I can't believe this is happening'

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It ain't that complicated.

Gutey obviously thought Rodgers' skills were eroding and thus that Jordan, whom he obviously rated highly, was a no brainer selection.

The plan was obviously to give Love a year or two before Gutey put his QB in place.

When ARod said his 2020 MVP season threw a wrench in some plans ... he wasn't just whistling Dixie.


Small correction, Gute NOTICED Rodgers skills and health were eroding. Once you peel back the numbers other than TD:INT ratio, Rodgers was not elite. I've broken this out before, but if Rodgers cracked his collar bone instead of having a MVP season people would be saying THANK GOD Gute started succession planning
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#219 » by CWoodfan » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:46 pm

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CWoodfan wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:One part that bothers me from the management side is you had 15 years to get to know Aaron's personality so you had to know this exact situation was a possibility when you made that Love pick. He's one of the most thin skinned petty dudes out there.

You can't sit there today and be like 'oh my god I can't believe this is happening'

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It ain't that complicated.

Gutey obviously thought Rodgers' skills were eroding and thus that Jordan, whom he obviously rated highly, was a no brainer selection.

The plan was obviously to give Love a year or two before Gutey put his QB in place.

When ARod said his 2020 MVP season threw a wrench in some plans ... he wasn't just whistling Dixie.


Small correction, Gute NOTICED Rodgers skills and health were eroding. Once you peel back the numbers other than TD:INT ratio, Rodgers was not elite. I've broken this out before, but if Rodgers cracked his collar bone instead of having a MVP season people would be saying THANK GOD Gute started succession planning


Yep.

And if Rodgers suffered the type of leg injury Teddy Bridgewater did in 2009, Ted Thompson gets run out of town. But Rodgers didn't and his success made Ted Thompson a very popular figure in Green Bay for many years even though Ted was initially the "bad guy" for moving on from Favre.

That's the breaks. Gutey bet against Rodgers ... and lost ... at least in 2020.

We'll see if his faith in Jordan Love turns out to be as prescient as Ted's was with ARod 13 seasons ago.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Dilemma 

Post#220 » by Iheartfootball » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:50 pm

My two cent arm chair psyche eval…he’s not retiring. Hard to comprehend because we don’t have his ego, but for him to have to sit out of the spot light for 2 years AND pay that amount of money is intolerable to his psyche. He’s having a temper tantrum.

1) Says he disgruntled asks for a trade. Packers say they are keeping him.
2) He says he’ll sit out. Packers say they are keeping him.
3) He threatens to retire. Packers say they are keeping him.

He’s playing one of his last cards now because the draft is his best chance of being traded.

I don’t really have a side because no one is blameless but Aaron is making it difficult to root for him right now.
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