OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

[Dresden]

Kirby Smart actively picked Jacob Fromm over Justin Fields. Enough said.

What draft capital did they give up that will "handcuff us for more years to come"? A 4th rd pick, a 5th rd pick. Come on now, those picks can be recoup. Next yr's first is the price to move up 9 spots. If you want to see a terrible trade, look at the 49ers/Dolphins trade and SF actively took the draft's biggest project at 3. The Bears did fine with the trade. If Fields is as good as he was in college in the NFL, then that 2022 1st rd won't matter because the Giants would have needed it more than the Bears.

When did I say they didnt do fine? you are assuming I said he is a Bust. I said the picks are growing on me. But I am still skeptical in general being a bears fan (decades of no great QB), the history of Pace, and Field's history of not being able to beat out Fromm.

Justin fields cost two first round picks (we used one to pick him), a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick. If he is a bust, it clearly sets the team back. Not only in draft capital but in time wasted in development/poor team chemistry/etc.

Pace has to swing for the fences at this point in order to keep his job. Don’t see how he had any other choice at this point. There is a lot to like about Fields and if he works out the draft capital used to get him means nothing.

I see this move a little different then the Trubisky draft. The Bears had to move up to get him but with Trubisky probably could have moved down and still gotten him. At worst they could have stayed at 3 and just taken him there. Absolutely no reason to trade up 1 spot and they gave up a lot of draft capital to do that. I don’t think what they gave up here is quite as much.

Also Fields is a more proven prospect then Trubisky was. He had accomplished a lot more and has played on a much bigger stage. Trubisky just looked good on paper. This pick feels more like the Bears drafting Dashawn Watson and not another Trubisky.

I agree. What looks like the Bears taking Trubisky is what the 49'ers did to take Trey Lance. Like Mitch, he didn't play at a major program, had limited college experience, is seen as being pretty raw, and the Niners gave up a king's ransom to move up to take him.

[Dresden]

I give him credit for that. But the Georgia team obviously knew him well at that time. Likely more intimately than the bears do now. That holds some weight, but it is by no means a factor that alone should dissuade us. People change and improve. Pace's history is another factor. I dont know if the draft could have been realistically been much better that it was now. If it doesnt work out, we gave up more draft capital which handcuffs us for more years to come. I am just tired of seeing them lose.

Disclaimer: I rarely watch college football.

Kirby Smart actively picked Jacob Fromm over Justin Fields. Enough said.

What draft capital did they give up that will "handcuff us for more years to come"? A 4th rd pick, a 5th rd pick. Come on now, those picks can be recoup. Next yr's first is the price to move up 9 spots. If you want to see a terrible trade, look at the 49ers/Dolphins trade and SF actively took the draft's biggest project at 3. The Bears did fine with the trade. If Fields is as good as he was in college in the NFL, then that 2022 1st rd won't matter because the Giants would have needed it more than the Bears.

49ers are run WAY better than the Bears(and have always been better for the most part, have a way better roster, a pretty good QB that has taken us to the Super Bowl recently. If Lynch and Shanahan didn’t want Fields I trust their judgement. They know QBs. We have the prefect situation to let a QB sit a grow. Fields will probably get thrown to the wolves because Dalton is a joke.

An outrageous amount of injuries are literally the only reason we were not contenders last season. We are very equipped to take a project with the highest ceiling in the draft and have the coaching to get it out of him. Cannot say the same for the Bears coaching.

Living in SF, I follow the Niners quite closely, and they are a well run organization. But you have to admit, they also just a few years ago were convinced Jimmy G. was a franchise QB and paid him accordingly. A contract they would now be glad to get rid of.I think they really went out on a limb with this pick, with how much they gave up to get him. And apparently it was a decision only made in the last week or even few days. Its like having your mind made up to get the mid-size sedan, arriving at the showroom and seeing a glitzy sports car on the lot, and deciding, "hey, that looks awfully nice too". Who knows how this will turn for both teams, but I feel a lot more confident in what the Bears did than the Niners. Esp. because just a few years ago, it was the Niners that looked like they had fleeced the Bears in trading with them to move up to get Mitch, which we know now was a colossal blunder.

[WindyCityBorn]

When did I say they didnt do fine? you are assuming I said he is a Bust. I said the picks are growing on me. But I am still skeptical in general being a bears fan (decades of no great QB), the history of Pace, and Field's history of not being able to beat out Fromm.

Justin fields cost two first round picks (we used one to pick him), a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick. If he is a bust, it clearly sets the team back. Not only in draft capital but in time wasted in development/poor team chemistry/etc.

Pace has to swing for the fences at this point in order to keep his job. Don’t see how he had any other choice at this point. There is a lot to like about Fields and if he works out the draft capital used to get him means nothing.

I see this move a little different then the Trubisky draft. The Bears had to move up to get him but with Trubisky probably could have moved down and still gotten him. At worst they could have stayed at 3 and just taken him there. Absolutely no reason to trade up 1 spot and they gave up a lot of draft capital to do that. I don’t think what they gave up here is quite as much.

Also Fields is a more proven prospect then Trubisky was. He had accomplished a lot more and has played on a much bigger stage. Trubisky just looked good on paper. This pick feels more like the Bears drafting Dashawn Watson and not another Trubisky.

I agree. What looks like the Bears taking Trubisky is what the 49'ers did to take Trey Lance. Like Mitch, he didn't play at a major program, had limited college experience, is seen as being pretty raw, and the Niners gave up a king's ransom to move up to take him.

Yeah but we already have a Super Bowl quality roster. They gave that up because they believe in him that much. Not because they are desperate. I trust Shanahan with QBs.

Comparing the 49ers management and coaching to Bears is laughable. I think Fields has all the talent to be great and would have been very happy with him at 3, but Shanahan thinks Lance can be better and he has the ability to get him there. I trust his judgement. His track record with QBs speaks for itself.

[WindyCityBorn]

Kirby Smart actively picked Jacob Fromm over Justin Fields. Enough said.

What draft capital did they give up that will "handcuff us for more years to come"? A 4th rd pick, a 5th rd pick. Come on now, those picks can be recoup. Next yr's first is the price to move up 9 spots. If you want to see a terrible trade, look at the 49ers/Dolphins trade and SF actively took the draft's biggest project at 3. The Bears did fine with the trade. If Fields is as good as he was in college in the NFL, then that 2022 1st rd won't matter because the Giants would have needed it more than the Bears.

49ers are run WAY better than the Bears(and have always been better for the most part, have a way better roster, a pretty good QB that has taken us to the Super Bowl recently. If Lynch and Shanahan didn’t want Fields I trust their judgement. They know QBs. We have the prefect situation to let a QB sit a grow. Fields will probably get thrown to the wolves because Dalton is a joke.

An outrageous amount of injuries are literally the only reason we were not contenders last season. We are very equipped to take a project with the highest ceiling in the draft and have the coaching to get it out of him. Cannot say the same for the Bears coaching.

Living in SF, I follow the Niners quite closely, and they are a well run organization. But you have to admit, they also just a few years ago were convinced Jimmy G. was a franchise QB and paid him accordingly. A contract they would now be glad to get rid of.I think they really went out on a limb with this pick, with how much they gave up to get him. And apparently it was a decision only made in the last week or even few days. Its like having your mind made up to get the mid-size sedan, arriving at the showroom and seeing a glitzy sports car on the lot, and deciding, "hey, that looks awfully nice too". Who knows how this will turn for both teams, but I feel a lot more confident in what the Bears did than the Niners. Esp. because just a few years ago, it was the Niners that looked like they had fleeced the Bears in trading with them to move up to get Mitch, which we know now was a colossal blunder.

The 49ers have no intention of trading Jimmy so you are wrong from the start. Saying they would love to get rid of his contract is ludicrous. Barring injury he will start every single game next season and we will be position to win the NFC. We have the luxury of essentially redshirting Lance.

And you are very wrong about when the decision was made. They said it was Lance from the start and they just let media run with the Mac Jones narrative. They have been in love with Lance from the start. I never believed they were dumb enough to trade up to #3 for freaking Mac Jones. Maybe you should watch the interview with Lynch and Shanahan after day one of the to see what they had to say about the pick.

[chicagoballer]

Justin fields cost two first round picks (we used one to pick him), a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick. If he is a bust, it clearly sets the team back. Not only in draft capital but in time wasted in development/poor team chemistry/etc.

And if he is a franchise QB, you will laugh a how ridiculously cheap it was to get him. In the end, with any player, it hurts if you trade up and they are a bust, but a franchise QB? You take the chance on him. Fields has the pedigree and physical tools to feel good about being a franchise QB. Maybe it doesn't work out, but you are so incredibly unlikely to win the superbowl without a franchise QB.

I agree in general… the price wasn’t bad and a QB is required to win. But I don’t like labeling him franchise QB. That is earned. All he is for now is the third QB picked in this draft.

Overall, draft looks pretty good so far.

[dice]

Justin fields cost two first round picks (we used one to pick him), a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick. If he is a bust, it clearly sets the team back. Not only in draft capital but in time wasted in development/poor team chemistry/etc.

And if he is a franchise QB, you will laugh a how ridiculously cheap it was to get him. In the end, with any player, it hurts if you trade up and they are a bust, but a franchise QB? You take the chance on him. Fields has the pedigree and physical tools to feel good about being a franchise QB. Maybe it doesn't work out, but you are so incredibly unlikely to win the superbowl without a franchise QB.

replace "franchise QB" with "QB who was at least good that season, preferably great and preferably on a rookie deal"... and you're exactly right

super bowl winning/losing QBs and QBR rankings:

brady 9 mahomes* 2
mahomes* 2 garoppolo 12
brady 6 goff* 10
wentz/foles X brady 3
brady 2 ryan 1
manning 28 newton 11
brady 3 wilson* 6
wilson* 8 manning 1
flacco* 17 smith/kaepernick X
manning 10 brady 4
rodgers 6 big ben 8
brees 1 manning 2
big ben 24 warner 4
manning* 18 brady 1
manning 1 grossman 19*

you'll notice that there are only a handful of super bowl matchups of elite QBs over the last 15 seasons. and 5 or 6 of those super bowl winning QBs were arguably flukes or "game managers" (including eli twice)...

the bears could have easily ended up in the super bowl w/ trubisky a couple of years ago because he had a single pro bowl level season. just like what happened with kurt warner in arizona. except trubisky was also on a rookie deal

*on rookie deal

[dice]

Justin fields cost two first round picks (we used one to pick him), a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick. If he is a bust, it clearly sets the team back. Not only in draft capital but in time wasted in development/poor team chemistry/etc.

And if he is a franchise QB, you will laugh a how ridiculously cheap it was to get him. In the end, with any player, it hurts if you trade up and they are a bust, but a franchise QB? You take the chance on him. Fields has the pedigree and physical tools to feel good about being a franchise QB. Maybe it doesn't work out, but you are so incredibly unlikely to win the superbowl without a franchise QB.

I agree in general… the price wasn’t bad and a QB is required to win. But I don’t like labeling him franchise QB. That is earned. All he is for now is the third QB picked in this draft.

4th QB taken. although i don't think that many people consider 2-5 to be all that widely separated

[dougthonus]

I agree in general… the price wasn’t bad and a QB is required to win. But I don’t like labeling him franchise QB. That is earned. All he is for now is the third QB picked in this draft.

Overall, draft looks pretty good so far.

Obviously he'll need to earn it on the field which is why I said "if". You never know what will happen, but in terms of the risk/rewards, I thought it was a good gamble. Comparatively, I hated the Trubisky trade up (both in that I think it was unnecessary and didn't think he was a great prospect).

[dice]

I agree in general… the price wasn’t bad and a QB is required to win. But I don’t like labeling him franchise QB. That is earned. All he is for now is the third QB picked in this draft.

Overall, draft looks pretty good so far.

Obviously he'll need to earn it on the field which is why I said "if". You never know what will happen, but in terms of the risk/rewards, I thought it was a good gamble. Comparatively, I hated the Trubisky trade up (both in that I think it was unnecessary and didn't think he was a great prospect).

pace basically paid through the nose on the utter conviction that trubisky was head and shoulders better than mahomes and watson. pure ego

[dougthonus]

pace basically paid through the nose on the utter conviction that trubisky was head and shoulders better than mahomes and watson. pure ego

Yeah, this was sort of the reverse. They clearly needed to trade up for Fields/Jones if they wanted one of them, they were the last two marquee prospects available. Maybe they could have gotten the lesser of those two and waited 1-2 picks more, but if someone else had grabbed Fields, then it would have been potentially a bidding war on Jones and may not have been any cheaper.

They didn't pay what would have been an insane price to move up like the 49ers did in order to get their pick of 3-4 similar tier prospects. They probably had to pay roughly this price for either of the QBs that were left and viable, so the cost was pretty reasonable.

[TheFinishSniper]

Bears finally have not sucky quarterback. Now it's time for Bulls to have not sucky point guard. I am someone who stopped watching both Bulls and Bears at some point for this specific reasons. What cursed franchises

[MalagaBulls]

Larry Borom OL, MIZZOU 5th round pick

Height: 6-6, Weight: 332

Calm, cool, collected big man who understands how strong he is and how that helps him control blockers. Probably needs to be play guard in the NFL. Moves well relative to how wide he is. Just clean up the hand work and this is a starter. (Chris Trapasso)

[dice]

pace basically paid through the nose on the utter conviction that trubisky was head and shoulders better than mahomes and watson. pure ego

Yeah, this was sort of the reverse. They clearly needed to trade up for Fields/Jones if they wanted one of them, they were the last two marquee prospects available. Maybe they could have gotten the lesser of those two and waited 1-2 picks more, but if someone else had grabbed Fields, then it would have been potentially a bidding war on Jones and may not have been any cheaper.

They didn't pay what would have been an insane price to move up like the 49ers did in order to get their pick of 3-4 similar tier prospects. They probably had to pay roughly this price for either of the QBs that were left and viable, so the cost was pretty reasonable.

yeah, this time it is the niners brass with the apparent conviction that lance is the much better prospect than fields or jones. which is somewhat inexplicable. coincidentally, lance and trubisky were both small sample sizes in college and both taken ahead of TWO established/superb college QBs

[Susan]

49ers are run WAY better than the Bears(and have always been better for the most part, have a way better roster, a pretty good QB that has taken us to the Super Bowl recently. If Lynch and Shanahan didn’t want Fields I trust their judgement. They know QBs. We have the prefect situation to let a QB sit a grow. Fields will probably get thrown to the wolves because Dalton is a joke.

An outrageous amount of injuries are literally the only reason we were not contenders last season. We are very equipped to take a project with the highest ceiling in the draft and have the coaching to get it out of him. Cannot say the same for the Bears coaching.

Living in SF, I follow the Niners quite closely, and they are a well run organization. But you have to admit, they also just a few years ago were convinced Jimmy G. was a franchise QB and paid him accordingly. A contract they would now be glad to get rid of.I think they really went out on a limb with this pick, with how much they gave up to get him. And apparently it was a decision only made in the last week or even few days. Its like having your mind made up to get the mid-size sedan, arriving at the showroom and seeing a glitzy sports car on the lot, and deciding, "hey, that looks awfully nice too". Who knows how this will turn for both teams, but I feel a lot more confident in what the Bears did than the Niners. Esp. because just a few years ago, it was the Niners that looked like they had fleeced the Bears in trading with them to move up to get Mitch, which we know now was a colossal blunder.

The 49ers have no intention of trading Jimmy so you are wrong from the start. Saying they would love to get rid of his contract is ludicrous. Barring injury he will start every single game next season and we will be position to win the NFC. We have the luxury of essentially redshirting Lance.

And you are very wrong about when the decision was made. They said it was Lance from the start and they just let media run with the Mac Jones narrative. They have been in love with Lance from the start. I never believed they were dumb enough to trade up to #3 for freaking Mac Jones. Maybe you should watch the interview with Lynch and Shanahan after day one of the to see what they had to say about the pick.

Why'd Shanny choose Jimmy G over Watson/Mahomes?

And what are you doing in this thread talking about the Niners so much for? The entire Chicago Bears fanbase is more or less ecstatic about this trade/pick and nobody here cares about the Niners. Good luck keeping Jimmy healthy and good luck developing Lance. Maybe Kyle Shanahan can get close to .500 cause right now he's 6 games below.

[dice]

did fields (3rd in heisman voting as OSU QB) fall in part because because haskins (3rd in heisman voting as OSU QB) hasn't impressed?

[TheFinishSniper]

I bet you there is zero Bears fans who arent happy with pick. It doesnt really matter what it cost if it ends up saving franchise from going downhill. Bears needed this. If they didnt do what they did now there would be no hope for current team and complete rebuild would on it's way in year or two with major changes likely happening before across whole franchise. And you can't say it was all bad, because it wasnt. Trubisky was major wrong move but you can't let one move define rest of them.

Bears were aggressive and with purpose. Pace picking and trading for Fields just means he acknowledged what disasterous pick Trubisky was in his regime. To me that's also sign of growth of Pace as GM. He bet on new horse on position of major weakness and went for it.

[Jcool0]

Why'd Shanny choose Jimmy G over Watson/Mahomes?

And what are you doing in this thread talking about the Niners so much for? The entire Chicago Bears fanbase is more or less ecstatic about this trade/pick and nobody here cares about the Niners. Good luck keeping Jimmy healthy and good luck developing Lance. Maybe Kyle Shanahan can get close to .500 cause right now he's 6 games below.

He didnt. He thought he was going to sign Kirk Cousins. Then Jimmy G became available and then changed course and traded for him.

[dice]

Bears were aggressive and with purpose. Pace picking and trading for Fields just means he acknowledged what disasterous pick Trubisky was in his regime. To me that's also sign of growth of Pace as GM. He bet on new horse on position of major weakness and went for it.

huh? he was "aggressive and with purpose" w/ trubisky as well. more so. and trading for fields is hardly an acknowledgement of his trubisky screwup. he acknowledged that by first trading for foles and subsequently...BY NOT RESIGNING TRUBISKY! he HAD to trade for fields because he screwed big up w/ trubisky

i'll say it again: even if pace knew that fields (or mac jones) was gonna be a bust, he would've made the trade anyway. because he had to give the fanbase hope and buy himself more time. he did the same thing w/ the khalil mack trade - his GM tenure was off to a bad start, so he made a splashy trade in the hopes of short-term benefit at the expense of the long-term. bought him juuuuuust enough time to get to this fields trade. he was lucky that he got to do this and he HAD to

[Susan]

Why'd Shanny choose Jimmy G over Watson/Mahomes?

And what are you doing in this thread talking about the Niners so much for? The entire Chicago Bears fanbase is more or less ecstatic about this trade/pick and nobody here cares about the Niners. Good luck keeping Jimmy healthy and good luck developing Lance. Maybe Kyle Shanahan can get close to .500 cause right now he's 6 games below.

He didnt. He thought he was going to sign Kirk Cousins. Then Jimmy G became available and then changed course and traded for him.

Waiting a year for Kirk Cousins just to pay him a massive contract? Is that any better?

[dice]

Why'd Shanny choose Jimmy G over Watson/Mahomes?

And what are you doing in this thread talking about the Niners so much for? The entire Chicago Bears fanbase is more or less ecstatic about this trade/pick and nobody here cares about the Niners. Good luck keeping Jimmy healthy and good luck developing Lance. Maybe Kyle Shanahan can get close to .500 cause right now he's 6 games below.

He didnt. He thought he was going to sign Kirk Cousins. Then Jimmy G became available and then changed course and traded for him.

even worse. not only has cousins been a better QB, but he wouldn't have had to give up a 2nd rounder to get him