OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

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Larry Borom OL, MIZZOU 5th round pick

Height: 6-6, Weight: 332

Calm, cool, collected big man who understands how strong he is and how that helps him control blockers. Probably needs to be play guard in the NFL. Moves well relative to how wide he is. Just clean up the hand work and this is a starter. (Chris Trapasso)

He says he wants to play tackle. Phenomenal outcome would be if he is a decent RT starter in a couple years, and Jenkins is a Pro Bowl LT. But thats asking too much, right?

Ill be reasonable and hope that a wiling Leno plays a decent RT and Jenkins becomes a good LT starter. Which would be phenomenal enough outcome for the Bears.

[dice]

Having an above average QB on a rookie salary who was taken out of the top 10 is a huge advantage in football because you have so much cap space.

very true. even if he's taken #1 overall and paid a bit more it's a huge advantage. and i'd argue that it's still an advantage beyond the rookie contract because QBs are underpaid relative to their importance

from 1986-2019*...

-84 QBs have been taken in the first round. of those,

-38 have made at least 1 pro bowl (including trubisky), w/ 7 of those making all-pro
-33 have been busts, defined as not starting 50 games (or highly unlikely to)
-13 have been serviceable starting QBs, starting a lot of games but never making a pro-bowl

*excluding daniel jones, who i feel is too early to project. doesn't look like pro bowl material, but is on track to start 50 games and avoid bust status

will fields be amongst the minority of first round QB picks that at least makes a single pro bowl? we'll see! if he does, the trade almost certainly becomes worthwhile (trubisky being an exception to that general rule)

[Dresden]

The 49ers have no intention of trading Jimmy so you are wrong from the start. Saying they would love to get rid of his contract is ludicrous. Barring injury he will start every single game next season and we will be position to win the NFC. We have the luxury of essentially redshirting Lance.

And you are very wrong about when the decision was made. They said it was Lance from the start and they just let media run with the Mac Jones narrative. They have been in love with Lance from the start. I never believed they were dumb enough to trade up to #3 for freaking Mac Jones. Maybe you should watch the interview with Lynch and Shanahan after day one of the to see what they had to say about the pick.

I don't think you or anyone outside of the Niner's brass knows whether they wanted to trade Jimmy G or not, but just about every football writer in the business was speculating that he would be moved once they traded up in the draft. So it's pretty hard to say definitively that "they had no intention" of trading him.

And secondly, if they were so high on Jimmy G., why did they trade all of that away to draft his replacement? It's obvious they realize he's not what they wanted. He'll do for another year or two until Lance is ready, but as an organization, you don't invest that many resources in a position where you feel you are already set. There has been talk for awhile now in SF that Shanahan is unhappy with Jimmy G's limitations, and has been lobbying for a replacement.

We obviously they are not thrilled with him. Not staying healthy is huge part of that. But make no mistake Jimmy is our guy for next season. We have the talent to contend again if we avoid the injuries. He has shown he is good enough to get us there. But he is game manager. We want a game changer at QB.

I'll agree with you there. With their D and their running game, the Niners will be good again this year. And yeah, Jimmy has to stay healthy, which he hasn't been able to do. And with Brees out of the league, and Rodgers possibly leaving GB, that takes two of the top contenders in the NFC out of the way for them. So who knows.

[transplant]

I've given it some thought and I'm going to remain a Bears fan even if the Niners are better. I've stuck with them since the early 60s so it wasn't a tough decision.

The Bears draft was all about those first 2 picks. Getting Fields was an unreal surprise. He may or may not be an upper-tier NFL QB, but the fact that he may be changes everything for me as a fan. That pick infused hope where there was none. Trading up to get Jenkins in the second round, when many mocks had the Bears taking him with the 20th overall pick, would normally have been the highlight of any team's draft. With all due respect to the rest of the Bears 2021 picks, they had a great draft with these two picks. Anything they get from the rest of their picks is just gravy.

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I've given it some thought and I'm going to remain a Bears fan even if the Niners are better. I've stuck with them since the early 60s so it wasn't a tough decision.

The Bears draft was all about those first 2 picks. Getting Fields was an unreal surprise. He may or may not be an upper-tier NFL QB, but the fact that he may be changes everything for me as a fan. That pick infused hope where there was none. Trading up to get Jenkins in the second round, when many mocks had the Bears taking him with the 20th overall pick, would normally have been the highlight of any team's draft. With all due respect to the rest of the Bears 2021 picks, they had a great draft with these two picks. Anything they get from the rest of their picks is just gravy.

I don’t think the Bears maxed out reasonable good outcomes. As previously mentioned, If Jenkins was not playing a position of plenty in this draft it would have been about the top 2 picks for me as well. But again the Bears fall in love with certain guys and overdo things. That 3rd rounder was a big loss considering that this draft was rich in OLinemen. I don’t want to fixate on it though. Just saying, because nobody else is, and it should be noted.

[CaPiTanAK]

A franchise QB will fix all flaws on this team. I would let it be an open competition for the QB starting spot. My feeling is that Justin Fields is going to pull a rookie Russell Wilson and win the starting position. A franchise QB will elevate every players on the offensive side of the ball like WRs and RBs. It's going to be an exciting time if Justin Fields ends up being the guy.

Lastly, Ryan Pace fell into the typical NFL racist stereotype about QB and drafted Trubisky. Most GM doesn't get a second try at the QB position, but he has learned from his mistake. He, Naggy, and the scouting department properly evaluate the prospects this time. The stuff about Justin Fields is pure racism:

1. Athletic freak who's better fit not at QB. LOL. When the hell is this a negative point?

2. Dumb and can't go through his progression. Ok. Most accurate college QB and was putting consecutive 40+ TDs in the past two seasons if Covid hasn't cut the season short. He also scored the highest on the NFL amplitude test among professional athletes

3. Last guy on the field and first one to leave. LOL. You don't get selected by your peers to be the captain if you're a bum.

4. Not accurate. LOL

Meanwhile, we have Mac Jones hailed as a future Tom Brady with his accuracy and genius football IQ. Based on what traits?

For the first time, I'm going to enjoy this upcoming Bears season. My feeling is that we're going to go 9-7, thanks to Justin Fields. Let's go!

[Susan]

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A franchise QB will fix all flaws on this team. I would let it be an open competition for the QB starting spot. My feeling is that Justin Fields is going to pull a rookie Russell Wilson and win the starting position. A franchise QB will elevate every players on the offensive side of the ball like WRs and RBs. It's going to be an exciting time if Justin Fields ends up being the guy.

Lastly, Ryan Pace fell into the typical NFL racist stereotype about QB and drafted Trubisky. Most GM doesn't get a second try at the QB position, but he has learned from his mistake. He, Naggy, and the scouting department properly evaluate the prospects this time. The stuff about Justin Fields is pure racism:

1. Athletic freak who's better fit not at QB. LOL. When the hell is this a negative point?

2. Dumb and can't go through his progression. Ok. Most accurate college QB and was putting consecutive 40+ TDs in the past two seasons if Covid hasn't cut the season short. He also scored the highest on the NFL amplitude test among professional athletes

3. Last guy on the field and first one to leave. LOL. You don't get selected by your peers to be the captain if you're a bum.

4. Not accurate. LOL

Meanwhile, we have Mac Jones hailed as a future Tom Brady with his accuracy and genius football IQ. Based on what traits?

For the first time, I'm going to enjoy this upcoming Bears season. My feeling is that we're going to go 9-7, thanks to Justin Fields. Let's go!

I've seen the racism angle being talked about, but the reasons for Fields fall may be largely a gray area, I don't think we always need to reach for the color angle. After all, a black QB was chosen ahead of Fields as well. The league has probably moved beyond seeing blackness as an impediment to quarterbacking. If anything, Fields is the modern prototype. Hey, if scouts have wondered if he is a one read QB that lacks a fast processor, maybe they have non race reasons, right or wrong. Those sterotypes have all been smashed imo. Davis Mills' of the world were not artificially elevated in front of anybody. Now, if we want to go there with Wilson over Fields, I guess that is an argument to have. But that can't be the reason Fields falls all the way to 11 and teams are choosing wide receivers over him. Mac Jones went 15.

[RastaBull]

Y'all need to watch this to get more hyped on Jenkins. Favorite pick.

Watch on YouTube

[CobyWhite0]

I'm not a fan of either team so I don't have a horse in the race, but it seems as if the Niners might actually have more world-wide fans than the Bears. They certainly do if you put any weight in "number of followers on social media":

Facebook:
Niners 4.06 million, Bears 3.94 million

Twitter:
Niners 2.1 million, Bears 1.8 million

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Y'all need to watch this to get more hyped on Jenkins. Favorite pick.

Watch on YouTube

I'm hyped on him. I'm not sure if his upside isn't Kyle Long or John Tait however, which is not a hit on his general upside, those guys were fantastic. He fell in the draft for reasons, perhaps a certain amount of lower body stiffness in the hips, arm length etc, IDK. My main problem is that the Bears gave up a 3rd round pick when they had other high graded O Line options in the second round.

[Dresden]

Watch on YouTube

The RB we drafted in the 6th.

He has a lot of runs of 20+ yards, and looks like he returns kickoffs as well. Didn't see him catch any passes in those clips. But he appears to have big play ability. Maybe not burner type speed, but fast enough, and a big body. Can't wait to see how he does.

[Dresden]

Y'all need to watch this to get more hyped on Jenkins. Favorite pick.

Watch on YouTube

I'm hyped on him. I'm not sure if his upside isn't Kyle Long or John Tait however, which is not a hit on his general upside, those guys were fantastic. He fell in the draft for reasons, perhaps a certain amount of lower body stiffness in the hips, arm length etc, IDK. My main problem is that the Bears gave up a 3rd round pick when they had other high graded O Line options in the second round.

That was my thinking at first too- so many O lineman available at that point in the draft, it wasn't like they'd run out. But this guy apparently was mocked to go sometime in the 20-25 range, so it's possible he was graded significantly higher than the others. I saw him listed as the second best guy left on the board after day 1. If this is the case, I don't have a problem with giving up a 3rd to get a guy that is more likely to be a starter.

It seems the Bears have had so many picks in the 2nd-4th round range for lineman on both sides of the ball that just never did much. So quality is better than quantity IMO, esp. when we really need front line players, not just depth guys.

[Dresden]

A franchise QB will fix all flaws on this team. I would let it be an open competition for the QB starting spot. My feeling is that Justin Fields is going to pull a rookie Russell Wilson and win the starting position. A franchise QB will elevate every players on the offensive side of the ball like WRs and RBs. It's going to be an exciting time if Justin Fields ends up being the guy.

Lastly, Ryan Pace fell into the typical NFL racist stereotype about QB and drafted Trubisky. Most GM doesn't get a second try at the QB position, but he has learned from his mistake. He, Naggy, and the scouting department properly evaluate the prospects this time. The stuff about Justin Fields is pure racism:

1. Athletic freak who's better fit not at QB. LOL. When the hell is this a negative point?

2. Dumb and can't go through his progression. Ok. Most accurate college QB and was putting consecutive 40+ TDs in the past two seasons if Covid hasn't cut the season short. He also scored the highest on the NFL amplitude test among professional athletes

3. Last guy on the field and first one to leave. LOL. You don't get selected by your peers to be the captain if you're a bum.

4. Not accurate. LOL

Meanwhile, we have Mac Jones hailed as a future Tom Brady with his accuracy and genius football IQ. Based on what traits?

For the first time, I'm going to enjoy this upcoming Bears season. My feeling is that we're going to go 9-7, thanks to Justin Fields. Let's go!

I've seen the racism angle being talked about, but the reasons for Fields fall may be largely a gray area, I don't think we always need to reach for the color angle. After all, a black QB was chosen ahead of Fields as well. The league has probably moved beyond seeing blackness as an impediment to quarterbacking. If anything, Fields is the modern prototype. Hey, if scouts have wondered if he is a one read QB that lacks a fast processor, maybe they have non race reasons, right or wrong. Those sterotypes have all been smashed imo. Davis Mills' of the world were not artificially elevated in front of anybody. Now, if we want to go there with Wilson over Fields, I guess that is an argument to have. But that can't be the reason Fields falls all the way to 11 and teams are choosing wide receivers over him. Mac Jones went 15.

He had that epilepsy diagnosis come out right before the draft, too, didn't he? That possibly might have hurt his stock.

[CobyWhite0]

A franchise QB will fix all flaws on this team. I would let it be an open competition for the QB starting spot. My feeling is that Justin Fields is going to pull a rookie Russell Wilson and win the starting position. A franchise QB will elevate every players on the offensive side of the ball like WRs and RBs. It's going to be an exciting time if Justin Fields ends up being the guy.

Lastly, Ryan Pace fell into the typical NFL racist stereotype about QB and drafted Trubisky. Most GM doesn't get a second try at the QB position, but he has learned from his mistake. He, Naggy, and the scouting department properly evaluate the prospects this time. The stuff about Justin Fields is pure racism:

1. Athletic freak who's better fit not at QB. LOL. When the hell is this a negative point?

2. Dumb and can't go through his progression. Ok. Most accurate college QB and was putting consecutive 40+ TDs in the past two seasons if Covid hasn't cut the season short. He also scored the highest on the NFL amplitude test among professional athletes

3. Last guy on the field and first one to leave. LOL. You don't get selected by your peers to be the captain if you're a bum.

4. Not accurate. LOL

Meanwhile, we have Mac Jones hailed as a future Tom Brady with his accuracy and genius football IQ. Based on what traits?

For the first time, I'm going to enjoy this upcoming Bears season. My feeling is that we're going to go 9-7, thanks to Justin Fields. Let's go!

I've seen the racism angle being talked about, but the reasons for Fields fall may be largely a gray area, I don't think we always need to reach for the color angle. After all, a black QB was chosen ahead of Fields as well. The league has probably moved beyond seeing blackness as an impediment to quarterbacking. If anything, Fields is the modern prototype. Hey, if scouts have wondered if he is a one read QB that lacks a fast processor, maybe they have non race reasons, right or wrong. Those sterotypes have all been smashed imo. Davis Mills' of the world were not artificially elevated in front of anybody. Now, if we want to go there with Wilson over Fields, I guess that is an argument to have. But that can't be the reason Fields falls all the way to 11 and teams are choosing wide receivers over him. Mac Jones went 15.

The whole "racism" thing is a joke, and some people might even find it incredibly insulting.

2 of the last 3 NFL MVPs - and 3 of the last 6 - were black QBs. Three different ones at that (Mahomes, Jackson, Newton)

Did anyone use the same "racial stereotypes" to describe Lance? Or could it be that Lance doesn't have the same weaknesses?

As for Mac Jones, the "accuracy trait" is based on the fact that he just set all kinds of NCAA accuracy and efficiency records:

he completed 36 of 45 passes for 464 yards and five touchdowns during Alabama’s 52-24 victory over Ohio State in Monday’s national championship game. In doing so, he set national championship game records in passing yards and competitions.

Jones also took down a pair of national records as well. His 77.4 percent completion rate tops the previous NCCA single-season best of 76.7 percent set by Texas’ Colt McCoy in 2008. Meanwhile, Jones’ 203.06 passer efficiency rating passed the NCAA single-season record of 201.96 set by LSU’s Joe Burrow last year.

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Watch on YouTube

The RB we drafted in the 6th.

He has a lot of runs of 20+ yards, and looks like he returns kickoffs as well. Didn't see him catch any passes in those clips. But he appears to have big play ability. Maybe not burner type speed, but fast enough, and a big body. Can't wait to see how he does.

One take:

217. Bears, Khalil Herbert, RB, Virginia Tech
Grade: A-

Bouncy, contact-balance monster who can piece together multiple cuts to make defenders miss. Lacks long speed. No clue how he was still available. Nice RB depth for Chicago


The Bears had a good 6th round I think. Got Herbert, a projectable return man and a backup corner. Just like you draw it up.

[Dresden]

A franchise QB will fix all flaws on this team. I would let it be an open competition for the QB starting spot. My feeling is that Justin Fields is going to pull a rookie Russell Wilson and win the starting position. A franchise QB will elevate every players on the offensive side of the ball like WRs and RBs. It's going to be an exciting time if Justin Fields ends up being the guy.

Lastly, Ryan Pace fell into the typical NFL racist stereotype about QB and drafted Trubisky. Most GM doesn't get a second try at the QB position, but he has learned from his mistake. He, Naggy, and the scouting department properly evaluate the prospects this time. The stuff about Justin Fields is pure racism:

1. Athletic freak who's better fit not at QB. LOL. When the hell is this a negative point?

2. Dumb and can't go through his progression. Ok. Most accurate college QB and was putting consecutive 40+ TDs in the past two seasons if Covid hasn't cut the season short. He also scored the highest on the NFL amplitude test among professional athletes

3. Last guy on the field and first one to leave. LOL. You don't get selected by your peers to be the captain if you're a bum.

4. Not accurate. LOL

Meanwhile, we have Mac Jones hailed as a future Tom Brady with his accuracy and genius football IQ. Based on what traits?

For the first time, I'm going to enjoy this upcoming Bears season. My feeling is that we're going to go 9-7, thanks to Justin Fields. Let's go!

To be honest, I haven't heard anyone talk about Mac Jones in those terms. What I've heard is that he's likely to be a good nfl QB of the game manager type, who Belichek can mold into his system. He might also be the most nfl ready QB after Lawrence. But most analysts were questioning why the Niners supposedly had him pegged at the 3rd spot over Lance and Fields.

[Susan]

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Things up North ain't goin so well.

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A franchise QB will fix all flaws on this team. I would let it be an open competition for the QB starting spot. My feeling is that Justin Fields is going to pull a rookie Russell Wilson and win the starting position. A franchise QB will elevate every players on the offensive side of the ball like WRs and RBs. It's going to be an exciting time if Justin Fields ends up being the guy.

Lastly, Ryan Pace fell into the typical NFL racist stereotype about QB and drafted Trubisky. Most GM doesn't get a second try at the QB position, but he has learned from his mistake. He, Naggy, and the scouting department properly evaluate the prospects this time. The stuff about Justin Fields is pure racism:

1. Athletic freak who's better fit not at QB. LOL. When the hell is this a negative point?

2. Dumb and can't go through his progression. Ok. Most accurate college QB and was putting consecutive 40+ TDs in the past two seasons if Covid hasn't cut the season short. He also scored the highest on the NFL amplitude test among professional athletes

3. Last guy on the field and first one to leave. LOL. You don't get selected by your peers to be the captain if you're a bum.

4. Not accurate. LOL

Meanwhile, we have Mac Jones hailed as a future Tom Brady with his accuracy and genius football IQ. Based on what traits?

For the first time, I'm going to enjoy this upcoming Bears season. My feeling is that we're going to go 9-7, thanks to Justin Fields. Let's go!

To be honest, I haven't heard anyone talk about Mac Jones in those terms. What I've heard is that he's likely to be a good nfl QB of the game manager type, who Belichek can mold into his system. He might also be the most nfl ready QB after Lawrence. But most analysts were questioning why the Niners supposedly had him pegged at the 3rd spot over Lance and Fields.

but where did that talk come from, scouts or mock draft people? It appears to have been a Shanahan-centric projection on Jones to the Niners, like they think Jones is the type that can run his style offense. Exactly what that means I don't know.

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Things up North ain't goin so well.

like MJ and the late 90s Bulls. Will the Packers be as stupid?