Robbie Alomar Removed From Level of Excellence, Placed on MLB Ineligible List Over Sexual Misconduct

[Metallikid]

I'm not reaching for anything. Even if he did everything he is accused of I don't think they should take his number down. It has nothing to do with what he did on the field.

I'm curious how far you'd go with this. If Dave Stieb shoots up a Piggly Wiggly, do you leave him on the Level?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sportspeople_convicted_of_crimes

Michael Vick went to jail because he made dogs violently kill other dogs for money and continued his playing career.

Ray Lewis went to jail because he obstructed justice in a bar fight where he killed two people and went on to be Superbowl MVP.

And those aren't even my standards, those are the standards of the NFL.

[Schad]

Michael Vick went to jail because he made dogs violently kill other dogs for money and continued his playing career.

Ray Lewis went to jail because he obstructed justice in a bar fight where he killed two people and went on to be Superbowl MVP.

And those aren't even my standards, those are the standards of the NFL.

The NFL's willingness to put up with appalling player conduct is and has long been a major problem, absolutely. In the case of Lewis, though, he was acquitted. Did he probably kill two people? Yeah. Should a team walk away from a player who probably killed two people? Absolutely. But it provided just enough plausible deniability for a sport that thrives on turning a blind eye.

OJ doesn't make too many official appearances these days.

[vaff87]

I would be really surprised if MLB did all this for workplace harassment. That would've gotten a reprimand, maybe a short suspension. But a response this drastic probably indicates that they uncovered something more serious.

I think assumptions like that are foolish and give a lot of people a lot more credit than they deserve. People have been fired and pushed out over very little in the past. Just look at how many people get the 3rd degree just for allegations without any investigation.

Oh please. Yes there are individual cases that should be avoided but there are far more that go the other way where abusers are de facto supported in their efforts because nobody does anything that matters about it.

And abuse covers all manners of things. In Alomar's case he's had a string of allegations about unprotected sex while HIV positive only to be met with a denial on his part. If allegations were enough, he'd be done by now. His current ex claims to have proof of his HIV treatments and maybe even diagnosis. We don't know what this is and MLB is better off not giving specifics but you're reaching here.

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I believe she actually claimed he had full fledged AIDS, which kinda made the whole thing hard to believe, because he clearly doesn’t appear to be a guy with AIDS.

[Metallikid]

I think assumptions like that are foolish and give a lot of people a lot more credit than they deserve. People have been fired and pushed out over very little in the past. Just look at how many people get the 3rd degree just for allegations without any investigation.

Oh please. Yes there are individual cases that should be avoided but there are far more that go the other way where abusers are de facto supported in their efforts because nobody does anything that matters about it.

And abuse covers all manners of things. In Alomar's case he's had a string of allegations about unprotected sex while HIV positive only to be met with a denial on his part. If allegations were enough, he'd be done by now. His current ex claims to have proof of his HIV treatments and maybe even diagnosis. We don't know what this is and MLB is better off not giving specifics but you're reaching here.

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I believe she actually claimed he had full fledged AIDS, which kinda made the whole thing hard to believe, because he clearly doesn’t appear to be a guy with AIDS.

Not HIV but full blown AIDS?

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[johanliebert]

What does this have to do with baseball?

This guy was gang raped at 17 I’m not surprised he’s had these issues, I’m also pretty sure he swings both ways. Fact is though he was a great baseball player and they are now trying to erase history over off field events during post retirement,

[The_Hater]

What does this have to do with baseball?

This guy was gang raped at 17 I’m not surprised he’s had these issues, I’m also pretty sure he swings both ways. Fact is though he was a great baseball player and they are now trying to erase history over off field events during post retirement,

Sure, let’s just sweep it all under the rug. That’s the answer.

I’m impressed with your high moral standard on subjects like this, although not the least bit surprised.

[Parataxis]

Judging by Mansfield’s actions with regards to moving the all-star game wouldn’t surprise me if this was a massive overreaction just a hunch.

Can’t wait to see the details eventually.

Moving the all-star game was the right thing to do.

Standing up for democracy and fairness is important.

[Wo1verine]

Judging by Mansfield’s actions with regards to moving the all-star game wouldn’t surprise me if this was a massive overreaction just a hunch.

Can’t wait to see the details eventually.

Moving the all-star game was the right thing to do.

Standing up for democracy and fairness is important.

Nope illegals shouldn’t be given the right to vote.
If you are required to present ID to open a bank account or signup for PayPal etc, it’s reasonable to ask for ID to vote.

[I_Like_Dirt]

What does this have to do with baseball?

This guy was gang raped at 17 I’m not surprised he’s had these issues, I’m also pretty sure he swings both ways. Fact is though he was a great baseball player and they are now trying to erase history over off field events during post retirement,

Erase history? Now who's making assumptions?

As for erasing history, I'd suggest recognizing the entire package is anything but. Ignoring a huge part of history and only recognizing the baseball part had far more to do with erasing history. Though we'll never know for sure what's actually going on.

I will say, baseball does have an incentive and a long tradition of erasing history in order to rewrite it with a certain mystique that suits their interests. To that end, having a longer, digital, more public record of this stuff would be expected to see them change their approach.

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[Fairview4Life]

Judging by Mansfield’s actions with regards to moving the all-star game wouldn’t surprise me if this was a massive overreaction just a hunch.

Can’t wait to see the details eventually.

Moving the all-star game was the right thing to do.

Standing up for democracy and fairness is important.

Nope illegals shouldn’t be given the right to vote.
If you are required to present ID to open a bank account or signup for PayPal etc, it’s reasonable to ask for ID to vote.

“Illegals” haven’t been voting and the Georgia law does significantly more than requiring an ID to vote.

[vaff87]

Moving the all-star game was the right thing to do.

Standing up for democracy and fairness is important.

Nope illegals shouldn’t be given the right to vote.
If you are required to present ID to open a bank account or signup for PayPal etc, it’s reasonable to ask for ID to vote.

“Illegals” haven’t been voting and the Georgia law does significantly more than requiring an ID to vote.

Well, just yesterday I saw that a man received probation for casting a vote for Donald Trump from his dead mother. In fact, pretty much the only confirmed cases of voting fraud have been from the side screaming that the election was rigged. Hmm..

[Fairview4Life]

Nope illegals shouldn’t be given the right to vote.
If you are required to present ID to open a bank account or signup for PayPal etc, it’s reasonable to ask for ID to vote.

“Illegals” haven’t been voting and the Georgia law does significantly more than requiring an ID to vote.

Well, just yesterday I saw that a man received probation for casting a vote for Donald Trump from his dead mother. In fact, pretty much the only confirmed cases of voting fraud have been from the side screaming that the election was rigged. Hmm..

Yup. And there’s like 3 of those stories. Crazy how they caught him without ID.

[Shaazzam]

Everything seems proper to me. He should still be in the HoF and the jays should remove him from the level of excellence. Level of excellence implies representing the organization, HoF is sporting merits.

[Parataxis]

Everything seems proper to me. He should still be in the HoF and the jays should remove him from the level of excellence. Level of excellence implies representing the organization, HoF is sporting merits.

HoF has always been about more than just sporting merits, but it seems that once you're in you're in. There's strong reason to believe that Alomar spitting on an umpire may have cost him the privilege of being a first ballot HoFer, for example.

[polo007]

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Blue Jays investigating new allegations against Roberto Alomar | The Star

Melissa Verge shares her story: All I wanted was baseball advice. Instead, Roberto Alomar pushed his unwelcome body up against mine. Why I’m speaking out now

The Blue Jays have launched an internal investigation of Roberto Alomar and its own operation over new allegations that have come to light in the aftermath of the player being permanently banned by Major League Baseball last month.

Alomar, a key figure in the Blue Jays’ World Series-winning teams of the early 1990s, had been one of the franchise’s most prominent ambassadors until he was banned by MLB and stripped of his affiliation with the club on April 30 following an investigation into sexual misconduct allegations from 2014.

[b]The latest allegations also date back to 2014, but they involve a different woman — an 18-year-old volunteer at a kids’ baseball camp run by the Jays. She says Alomar, who was then 46, propositioned her for sex and, after offering her a private clubhouse tour, pressed his body against hers without her consent.

Melissa Verge, now 24, says she told a team official about the incidents soon after they happened. There is no evidence the official, Rob Jack, who was also a personal friend of Alomar’s, ever told anyone else within the organization.

Verge, who now lives in Knoxville, Tennessee, had considered publicly sharing what she says Alomar did to her back in 2014, but decided against it. Now that another woman has come forward, she says, “it has opened the door for me to be able to share my story.”

In a statement, the Blue Jays say they were “troubled to learn about Ms. Verge’s experience in 2014 involving Roberto Alomar and another former employee. Since we were made aware of the incident by the Toronto Star, we have commenced an internal investigation using an outside firm.”

The Jays say they will continue to investigate allegations brought forward to them and “where appropriate, hold people accountable for their actions.”

The Star sent Alomar and Jack detailed questions for this story more than a week before publication. They did not respond.

The complainant in MLB’s investigation of Alomar — identified only as a “baseball industry employee” — declined to comment for this story through her lawyer, Lisa Banks.