Draft Thread Part 2

[OAKLEY_2]

I'll take my chances with a pick in the top 10. I'd even look to trade up if the option is there.

For every Jakob Poeltl...there is a T-Mac, Kemba Walker, Gordon Hayward, Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudamire, Demar Derozan, Andre Iguodala and Dirk Nowitzki. I'm also high on Rui Hachimura...so if you can get a guy with that potential...that's a solid pick as well.

...and besides...outside of Domantas Sabonis, Caris Levert and Dejounte Murray...I'm not sure who else one might have taken over Jakob at #9. No...Jak isn't the best use of a lottery pick but there turned out to be a lot of duds in the first round of that draft.

He was parlayed into a superstar via trade, that's the best use of a lottery pick short of drafting a superstar.

That would be my main point. The best thing to do is to trade there pick. Anyone other then Cade is going to be 3-4 years away from leading a championship team. We need someone who’s ready now.

Mitchell is ready now. Just saying.

[Morse Code]

We don’t need someone’s who’s ready now, we need someone who will be ready at some point to reach the highest ceiling.

[Psubs]

Outside of a dropper from the top 5 and Barnes, Johnson and Johnson, who would I want?

Mitchell or Giddey? Ready now or project?

[ATLTimekeeper]

NBA ready isn't really a thing anyway. Guys that are older might be physically stronger, but really the advantage is that there's more data/film to pour over in scouting. The players are older and that often means there's a degree of maturity. It doesn't mean that they can contribute any better than some 19 year old. The most likely thing is that rookies don't help all that much in their first year, and shouldn't be leaned on in that way.

[Psubs]

Jalen Johnson's FT shooting is bad but doesn't look broken.

Check out this Jaylen Johnson FT from a few years ago!

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[OAKLEY_2]

We don’t need someone’s who’s ready now, we need someone who will be ready at some point to reach the highest ceiling.

House of Hinke calling.

[GM89]

We don’t need someone’s who’s ready now, we need someone who will be ready at some point to reach the highest ceiling.

House of Hinke calling.

Need to balance ceiling/floor with established skills, bbiq and drive.

Theoretically Bruno had a high ceiling but his lack of skill and bb experience will probably hold him back from reaching it.

[T-d0t]

I would rather take a risk on high-upside, potential bust than try to develop another low ceiling role player. With our coaching staff & development system, you would think that we would be ok with taking such risks.

[PhilBlackson]

He was parlayed into a superstar via trade, that's the best use of a lottery pick short of drafting a superstar.

That would be my main point. The best thing to do is to trade there pick. Anyone other then Cade is going to be 3-4 years away from leading a championship team. We need someone who’s ready now.

Mitchell is ready now. Just saying.

Ready now to do what?!

Come off the bench behind Fred and Malachi?! Or maybe it's Trent??

I love Mitchell with a later pick but if we're in the top 10, I hope to God we draft someone with high potential as we likely won't be in this position again for the foreseeable future.

I'm not sure in general where this sentiment is growing of wanting someone to "win now". If you don't think the core of Fred, OG and Siakam is good enough to win a championship (which they're not) then it's silly having that philosophy...

Mitchell would likely be an excellent rotation piece but he's not the caliber of player to tip the scales as a likely bench player to suddenly put us in the upper echelon of the East.

Not to mention what is the rush??

Flynn, OG and Trent are still years away from their prime...Fred and Pascal will still be in theirs as well and it's probably far more ideal as the Nets will likely dominate the East (league) for the next 2-3 years. By the time whatever higher ceiling player is more developed we'll be ready to rock, not to mention I highly doubt whichever player our scouting team likes will be some lame duck pick that can't at least have a comparable contribution to someone like Mitchell but allows for more room for upside.

Personally not a fan at all of taking Mitchell that high and wouldn't understand why we wouldn't just draft Keon Johnson who offers much of the same stuff but is taller, far more athletic and more upside but that's just me...

[Psubs]

That would be my main point. The best thing to do is to trade there pick. Anyone other then Cade is going to be 3-4 years away from leading a championship team. We need someone who’s ready now.

Mitchell is ready now. Just saying.

Ready now to do what?!

Come off the bench behind Fred and Malachi?! Or maybe it's Trent??

I love Mitchell with a later pick but if we're in the top 10, I hope to God we draft someone with high potential as we likely won't be in this position again for the foreseeable future.

I'm not sure in general where this sentiment is growing of wanting someone to "win now". If you don't think the core of Fred, OG and Siakam is good enough to win a championship (which they're not) then it's silly having that philosophy...

Mitchell would likely be an excellent rotation piece but he's not the caliber of player to tip the scales as a likely bench player to suddenly put us in the upper echelon of the East.

Not to mention what is the rush??

Flynn, OG and Trent are still years away from their prime...Fred and Pascal will still be in theirs as well and it's probably far more ideal as the Nets will likely dominate the East (league) for the next 2-3 years. By the time whatever higher ceiling player is more developed we'll be ready to rock, not to mention I highly doubt whichever player our scouting team likes will be some lame duck pick that can't at least have a comparable contribution to someone like Mitchell but allows for more room for upside.

Personally not a fan at all of taking Mitchell that high and wouldn't understand why we wouldn't just draft Keon Johnson who offers much of the same stuff but is taller, far more athletic and more upside but that's just me...

Agreed. Even if Mitchell was Marcus Smart with better 3pt shooting. I think because his name is Mitchell the past of Donovan Mitchell being drafted outside of the top 10 is fresh. I guess it's a crap shoot since Dennis Smith Jr looked like the better prospect.

I guess Keon Johnson would be like the 6'5 version of DSJr but at least that's the proper size for a SG.

[Dalek]

While everyone gets giddy on Giddey, I still feel like the best international in this class is going to be Roko Prkacin.

At 6'9" with a good wingspan people might assume he is a stretch four but he has a good mix of skills that makes me think he is a modern three man and to me will be a better player than Giddey because he is bigger, faster and looks to score while also being able to distribute. Here are a few of his skills he displays:

Dramatic passing between two defenders while leading the break.

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Attacking the basket - looking for contact.

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Fullcourt ballhandling and scoring

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A snippet of an ESPN interview, but they also show a clip of him doing a behind the back crossover and some of his great weak side passing.

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While Croatia got killed by the stacked US team during an under 17 match, he still got an impressive 13 points, 6 rebounds and 4 blocks (a couple on Evan Mobley).

At age 18, and I think the youngest prospect in the class, he is showing a lot of lottery level skill and the confidence to succeed. He is this year's Poku.

[Psubs]

While everyone gets giddy on Giddey, I still feel like the best international in this class is going to be Roko Prkacin.

At 6'9" with a good wingspan people might assume he is a stretch four but he has a good mix of skills that makes me think he is a modern three man and to me will be a better player than Giddey because he is bigger, faster and looks to score while also being able to distribute. Here are a few of his skills he displays:

Dramatic passing between two defenders while leading the break.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Attacking the basket - looking for contact.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Fullcourt ballhandling and scoring

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

A snippet of an ESPN interview, but they also show a clip of him doing a behind the back crossover and some of his great weak side passing.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

While Croatia got killed by the stacked US team during an under 17 match, he still got an impressive 13 points, 6 rebounds and 4 blocks (a couple on Evan Mobley).

At age 18, and I think the youngest prospect in the class, he is showing a lot of lottery level skill and the confidence to succeed. He is this year's Poku.

He seems like a Gordon Hayward. I might take him ahead of say Kispert in the 20's because he can do more things.

[C-R-E-A-M-]

Kuminga is the guy

[Psubs]

Watch the recovery at 0:56. I had to watch it 3 times as it's just weird. He gets beat but somehow is still in between the basket and defender and blocks the layup coming from UNDER the player and doesn't commit a foul.

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Mini Mamba?!?!? Mini because 6'5 instead of prototypical 6'6.

I think he's just slightly behind Jalen Green because of current 3pt shooting and wingspan.

Kobe was a 31% 3pt shooter like MJ but I think a duo with GTJr would be great as GT shoots the 3 around 40%. OG can be PF in a small ball lineup in 5 years when Siakam moves on.

[DG88]

Watch the recovery at 0:56. I had to watch it 3 times as it's just weird. He gets beat but somehow is still in between the basket and defender and blocks the layup coming from UNDER the player and doesn't commit a foul.

Watch on YouTube

Mini Mamba?!?!? Mini because 6'5 instead of prototypical 6'6.

I think he's just slightly behind Jalen Green because of current 3pt shooting and wingspan.

Kobe was a 31% 3pt shooter like MJ but I think a duo with GTJr would be great as GT shoots the 3 around 40%. OG can be PF in a small ball lineup in 5 years when Siakam moves on.

Keon is the one player I've gravitated towards as I've watched more scouting videos. He also has shown some potential in the PnR. Right now it's working on his shot and handle. He has a chance to be a really good two way SG.

[Son Goku 25]

Watch the recovery at 0:56. I had to watch it 3 times as it's just weird. He gets beat but somehow is still in between the basket and defender and blocks the layup coming from UNDER the player and doesn't commit a foul.

Watch on YouTube

Mini Mamba?!?!? Mini because 6'5 instead of prototypical 6'6.

I think he's just slightly behind Jalen Green because of current 3pt shooting and wingspan.

Kobe was a 31% 3pt shooter like MJ but I think a duo with GTJr would be great as GT shoots the 3 around 40%. OG can be PF in a small ball lineup in 5 years when Siakam moves on.

Hes the guy outside of the top 4 I really want. Reminds me of a more athletic Jimmy Butler

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Watch the recovery at 0:56. I had to watch it 3 times as it's just weird. He gets beat but somehow is still in between the basket and defender and blocks the layup coming from UNDER the player and doesn't commit a foul.

Watch on YouTube

Mini Mamba?!?!? Mini because 6'5 instead of prototypical 6'6.

I think he's just slightly behind Jalen Green because of current 3pt shooting and wingspan.

Kobe was a 31% 3pt shooter like MJ but I think a duo with GTJr would be great as GT shoots the 3 around 40%. OG can be PF in a small ball lineup in 5 years when Siakam moves on.

Hes the guy outside of the top 4 I really want. Reminds me of a more athletic Jimmy Butler

ya for sure. Keon is intriguing.

[DreamTeam09]

Watch the recovery at 0:56. I had to watch it 3 times as it's just weird. He gets beat but somehow is still in between the basket and defender and blocks the layup coming from UNDER the player and doesn't commit a foul.

Watch on YouTube

Mini Mamba?!?!? Mini because 6'5 instead of prototypical 6'6.

I think he's just slightly behind Jalen Green because of current 3pt shooting and wingspan.

Kobe was a 31% 3pt shooter like MJ but I think a duo with GTJr would be great as GT shoots the 3 around 40%. OG can be PF in a small ball lineup in 5 years when Siakam moves on.

Hes the guy outside of the top 4 I really want. Reminds me of a more athletic Jimmy Butler

ya for sure. Keon is intriguing.

What makes him better than Ziaire Williams ??

[DreamTeam09]

Watch the recovery at 0:56. I had to watch it 3 times as it's just weird. He gets beat but somehow is still in between the basket and defender and blocks the layup coming from UNDER the player and doesn't commit a foul.

Watch on YouTube

Mini Mamba?!?!? Mini because 6'5 instead of prototypical 6'6.

I think he's just slightly behind Jalen Green because of current 3pt shooting and wingspan.

Kobe was a 31% 3pt shooter like MJ but I think a duo with GTJr would be great as GT shoots the 3 around 40%. OG can be PF in a small ball lineup in 5 years when Siakam moves on.

Hes the guy outside of the top 4 I really want. Reminds me of a more athletic Jimmy Butler

ya for sure. Keon is intriguing.

What makes him better than Ziaire Williams ??

[Dalek]

Watch the recovery at 0:56. I had to watch it 3 times as it's just weird. He gets beat but somehow is still in between the basket and defender and blocks the layup coming from UNDER the player and doesn't commit a foul.

Watch on YouTube

Mini Mamba?!?!? Mini because 6'5 instead of prototypical 6'6.

I think he's just slightly behind Jalen Green because of current 3pt shooting and wingspan.

I love his athleticism but he is not a very big two-guard. He looks like Norm size, maybe a bit bigger, from what I can see (I doubt he is 6'5 as listed). I worry that he is a Shannon Brown type who looks so hype from highlights, but his weak production makes me wonder.

Digging deeper, I do like his FTr 41.1 ; 2.6 Stl% ; 52 TS% 21 Ast%. All of those match-up with Russell Westbrook but his Box Plus-Minus was 2.8 which is really low for a lottery guy. He is like a guy you ignore on offense right now.

Springer is not the athlete that Johnson is but he does all the things he does plus shooting from outside and really is just more impactful from every category including box plus-minus 5.8 which makes him practically as good or maybe even better than Jalen Suggs in this draft.

Check the Bartorvik data that comps this class to Westbrook's college year stats:

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https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minusage=20&minGP=15&minTS=50&minAst=20&minStl=2.5&minftr=35&mingbpm=2&year=2021&start=20201101&end=20210501&minppg=0

I'd consider Springer within the top ten, possibly as high as 6 just judging from his numbers, feel for the game and positional size as PG. Herb Jones is also listed in the data and I can't think of any reason why Toronto would pass on him in the second round.