Will the Lakers/Sixers/Heat regret not trading for Lowry?

[_qubik]

No, the Lakers dont need him to win, and if they dont recover their healthy they wouldnt win even with him, Sixers and Heat would surrender assets and ot wouldnt be enough. Lowry is a hell of a player, but paying him like a star wont help any true contender

[Tanks1]

The Raptors want Tyrese Maxey, Matisse Thybulle, and 2 first round picks from Sixers for Kyle Lowry


Get the hell out of here......


10, 9, 8, 76ers !!!!

[TravisScott55]

Lol some of you guys get so offended when your front office is questioned. Relax.

[kuclas]

What is expiring 35 year old trade value (top 30 ish nba player) worth?

Any recent trades involving a 35 year old on last 2 months of his contract?

[BFRESH44]

Definitely don’t regret it from the Heat’s perspective. Still have the flexibility to pivot from Oladipo, and revisit Lowry this summer in free agency. And don’t have to come off any assets. Miami was Lowry’s preferred destination per multiple reports, so it’s something that can happen rather easily.

[6ersfolife]

The Raptors want Tyrese Maxey, Matisse Thybulle, and 2 first round picks from Sixers for Kyle Lowry


Get the hell out of here......


10, 9, 8, 76ers !!!!

Don't forget Danny green and mike scott(he stinks) as well...we'd have no depth and a 36 yr old asking for 20+ Mil a year...No thanks....pay him his money Toronto since he is so valuable

[JJ_PR]

Not trading Talen freakin' Horton Tucker for Lowry will definetly come back to bite them in the behind. The asking price for Lowry was more than fair if the reports are true.

[pingpongrac]

What is expiring 35 year old trade value (top 30 ish nba player) worth?

Any recent trades involving a 35 year old on last 2 months of his contract?

When is the last time a top 30-40 player was available at the deadline though? Hard to gauge Lowry's value other than the comparison to the Gasol for JV+Wright+Miles+2nd rd pick trade. Similar players in that they were better than their box score stats and both probably only had/have a few years left in the league while in their last year of their contract (Gasol had a player option that he probably wouldn't have exercised if he stayed in Memphis). While JV and Wright were also expiring, they were young assets that were retained for less than what Gasol made (Wright was part of a sign and trade though) plus a vet in Miles and a future 2nd round pick.

Those rumoured trades (Lowry for Robinson+Dragic/Iguodala+Olynyk and Lowry for Kuzma+KCP/Schroder) with no draft compensation were very bad for Toronto and worse than what Memphis got for Gasol. It's understandable that Masai didn't trade Lowry for scraps, especially considering he has been one of the faces of the Raptors for nearly a decade and helped bring the franchise its first Championship.

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[kuclas]

What is expiring 35 year old trade value (top 30 ish nba player) worth?

Any recent trades involving a 35 year old on last 2 months of his contract?

When is the last time a top 30-40 player was available at the deadline though? Hard to gauge Lowry's value other than the comparison to the Gasol for JV+Wright+Miles+2nd rd pick trade. Similar players in that they were better than their box score stats and both probably only had/have a few years left in the league while in their last year of their contract (Gasol had a player option that he probably wouldn't have exercised if he stayed in Memphis). While JV and Wright were also expiring, they were young assets that were retained for less than what Gasol made (Wright was part of a sign and trade though) plus a vet in Miles and a future 2nd round pick.

Those rumoured trades (Lowry for Robinson+Dragic/Iguodala+Olynyk and Lowry for Kuzma+KCP/Schroder) with no draft compensation were very bad for Toronto and worse than what Memphis got for Gasol. It's understandable that Masai didn't trade Lowry for scraps, especially considering he has been one of the faces of the Raptors for nearly a decade and helped bring the franchise its first Championship.

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That’s the thing. Gasol got traded for expirings/players that needed to be signed again. While those players are scraps. They were players Toronto was unlikely to resign to bigger contracts.

And as a sixers fan. Toronto wanted a ridiculous haul for young cheap players on rookie contracts (not expiring) plus 1st round picks. Maybe Toronto GM was aiming very high. And hoping some team like Sixers desperate.

Trading for a 34 year old Gasol with expiring players who you are unlikely to resign is different than what Toronto was asking.

In the end. Toronto is welcome to resign Lowry to 4/120 or whatever bird rights they can sign him at. Or let him walk for nothing. A sign and trade May work but requires the team wanting him to agree to terms.

[durden_tyler]

The Raptors are regretting not trading Kyle Lowry.

For what? What was the offer that was actually worth it for the Raptors?

Any future first round maybe. Anything is better than nothing for the Raptors future i guess?

[Duffman100]

The Raptors are regretting not trading Kyle Lowry.

For what? What was the offer that was actually worth it for the Raptors?

Any future first round maybe. Anything is better than nothing for the Raptors future i guess?

Who was offering it?

[MarcusBrody]

They got a freaking title out of it. But I guess they should have traded Kawhi/Green during 2019 to ensure they wouldn't walk for nothing?

You misunderstood my last sentence. Obviously they had no control over Kawhi and so on, which makes getting something for Lowry even more important. Once he walks there are no tradeable assets on your roster that aren't already part of your core going forward, which is what teams generally use to jump start rebuilds. The Grizzlies for example are in a better spot right now because they chose to get something for Gasol and Conley, obviously the Celtics are an extreme example with Pierce and Garnett, we could go on...

But the question is what was the offer for Lowry? Any of the offers that were rumoured were all garbage players that did nothing and would have done nothing for the squad.

KCP and Schroeder?
Olynyk and Dennis Robinson (FA)?
Green and Mike Scott?

I agree that Thybulle, Maxey and 2 1sts was too large of an ask.

But there is also an organizational reputation that has to be considered here. You show that you're willing to buckle and deal Lowry for nothing, then that marks you as a team that will eventually cave. Raptors aren't just going to give away a top 30ish player for nothing...

I think that it came down to most of the deals just not making sense for any party involved. The Lakers seemed to have the most to gain, but KCP and Schroeder aren't exactly what the Raptors want and throwing THT in basically sends out twice as many minutes as it brings in with Lowry, so they'd basically have to hope that Lowry was enough of an improvement to compensate for basically 40 minutes of downgrade at the other guard.

If I'm the Raps, the only one of those deals that really interest me is getting Duncan Robinson, but as you note, he's a RFA this year and I don't think that Miami is close enough to contention to think he's worth one year of Lowry (and maybe paying him for his late 30s seasons).

[Optms]

Trading young pieces for a 35-year-old rental that doesn't guarantee any of these teams anything? Yeah, not happening. He's no Chris Paul.

[SFour]

The Raptors want Tyrese Maxey, Matisse Thybulle, and 2 first round picks from Sixers for Kyle Lowry


Get the hell out of here......


10, 9, 8, 76ers !!!!

that report was bs....Raptors would've been more than fine with just 1 FRP....there's no chance they were asking for 2 along with Green and Mike Scott as filler on top of that.

[Spens1]

we might if the only price was THT + Kuzma

If it meant trading even more picks (that we don't have) then i can understand the hesitation.

The heat shouldn't really, maybe the sixers might but they're going alright at the moment.

[HotelVitale]

The Raptors want Tyrese Maxey, Matisse Thybulle, and 2 first round picks from Sixers for Kyle Lowry
Get the hell out of here......

that report was bs....Raptors would've been more than fine with just 1 FRP....there's no chance they were asking for 2 along with Green and Mike Scott as filler on top of that.

Hmm, do Raptors fans think the Sixers refused to trade this year's (very late) 1st for Lowry? The 1st has pretty meh value for us, it's not meaningless but we're a win-now team and that pick was definitely available for modest upgrades. I honestly can't see any way that the asking price was just that, had to be at least that and one other pick or Maxey or Thybulle. And at that point I start to get squeamish given that it's those two things plus a really good role playing starter in Danny Green (who's been playing 30mpg and drilling 2.5 3 per game on 40% shooting this year).

[Metallikid]

Trading young pieces for a 35-year-old rental that doesn't guarantee any of these teams anything? Yeah, not happening. He's no Chris Paul.

You're right about that. Kyle Lowry's actually won something.

[SuppaSlick]

I'm a little confused here. All the credible reporting indicated that neither of the three teams were offering a first round pick. Why do people keep mentioning the first round pick as if it was a fact?

If a first round pick was offered then Lowry would not be on the team anymore. Unless the first was coupled with a negative asset of course.

Not trying to be a prisoner of the moment or anything but there was a small possibility that Lowry could have put a "fully healthy Lakers" over the top. The other two teams probably not

[lobosloboslobos]

I'd be very interested to know how the key players on those 3 teams would answer this question. not that we will ever find out but my guess is guys who have to play against Lowry know very well how valuable he is and how much he impacts the game and would have been very very interested in adding him to the team this year. obviously that is pure speculation but Lowry just does so many different things that help you win, i think players know and value that even if lots of fans seem not to. very few NBA players have Lowry's combo of superior 2-way skills, elite BB smarts, catalytic leadership and bulldog determination. there's a reason he's won more games than any other player in the league over the past 7 years.

According to Basketball-reference.com, Lowry ranks ninth amongst all NBA players in win shares since 2010 ( Marc Gasol is 15th, Kawhi Leonard 20th). He’s No. 7 in value over replacement player over the decade and of the six players ahead of him on the list, only Chris Paul has not won at least one league MVP award.

Lowry handed out the ninth-most assists in the decade and was 20th in scoring and made the eighth-most three-pointers. He was also 13th in steals and, while we don’t have the numbers, was surely near the top of the NBA in charges taken and deflections too.

and it's not like he's slowing down much either as his 39/11 gem a couple nights ago against the Lakers showed

Despite some of the injuries, Lowry’s production at an older age is up there with some of the greatest lead guards ever. In NBA history, only four-point guards have averaged at least 15 points and 6 assists in their 14th season; Chris Paul, Lenny Wilkens, Jerry West, and Lowry.

my guess is the answer to this question will turn out to be yes

[Eagle4]

Will the heat regret not trading their 20 yr old prospect that showed signs of promise for a 35 year old vet that wouldn't put them over the top? I doubt it.

Some of you Raps fans are insufferable. Lowry "the greatest raptor ever, legend" blah blah but instead of wanting him to retire in a Raps jersey you get butthurt and some how feel so entitled to other teams trading their assets for guy who has <3 years left in the league(which aren't guaranteed to be as productive due to age and wear/tear). Truly delusional.

What’s this? Tyler Herro? If you’ve got a package in place to deal Herro + for Kyle Lowry, you personally drive Herro to the airport. Hell, I’d pack his bags for him and pay for his crib in Tampa. Miami as they are + Kyle Lowry probably wins the east.

Lowry heat aren't beating Nets stop it.