MJ's record is not 6-0, its 6-15

[Pg81]

Like others have said but I’d like to repeat it.

When people see 6-15, they think 6 winning seasons and 15 losing seasons. 6/15 is the proper way to put it.

But if we are just talking about random narratives, how about this one. MJ has 11 seasons with the Bulls when he played at least 20 games. So that means MJ healthy with the Bulls had a 6-5 record. That is a 54% championship winning percentage.

He didn't play 21 seasons

6 seasons out of 15 seasons he won a title. It is literally how we do it in math so 6/15 is a perfectly fine way to put it.

His finals record is 6-0.

You would think they would have understood this by now. But this entire time they've been thinking 6-0 meant playoff record.

We understand it well enough. We also understand why people use this disingenuous nonsense "argument".

[NO-KG-AI]

It's 6-7 with the Bulls. The publicity stunt on the Wizards was fun.

The real question for LeBron and Jordan should be, how many titles did they win when they were on legitimate title level teams? LeBron has one feather in his cap, getting his team to a finals that had no business ever being there, despite getting whipped, that's a big positive IMO.

But the real issue is that LeBron has one season where his team literally lost the title because of him. He also has seasons where he has a title team and defending champ, and gets thrashed by a team that has the 3rd best player on the court at best.

Jordan is totally unscathed on title teams, and his losses early in his career all came with him being supremely dominant and his team falling short from lack of talent. I'd hate to go Jordansbulls, but the "never lost with home court" does mean something. He's never been upset or turned back by a lower seed or inferior team. Despite all the talent and deckstacking, LeBron's never had a team as dominant on offense as the Bulls teams, and he's never had the hit the peaks they have. BUT, he has managed to pull off some truly incredible underdog moments, and take out some teams that his team shouldn't have as well.

Neither guy should be penalized by getting beat by far more dominant teams. It doesn't really matter if they met them in the finals or in the 2nd round to me, but when you run into something like the Pistons, the Celtics(for both guys), the Warriors etc, and you don't have the firepower to fight back, all you can ask is for the star to carry his end of the bargain and put up the best fight he can. Both guys generally did.

[the_other_guy]

Yeah it's 6-7.
Lebron 4-13.

Goodnight.

[LouisLitt]

I never understood how losing in the Finals is way worse than losing in the 1st, 2nd round or the Conference Finals. Especially in team sports.

Often the same thing with clutch stats. A player can go 5 for 20 in the first 47 minutes and 59 seconds, hits a winning shot in the last second, and 'Man, he's so clutch, what a performance!'. No, they needed a lucky shot, a hail marry because he had missed 15 shots prior.

Focusing on just one particular stat which is in favor of a particular player, while blatantly ignoring stats that would be in favor of the other player, is such a hater thing to do.

When two players are as close as Lebron and MJ are, people will nitpick.

When was going undefeated in the finals ever a thing until people felt the need to defend Jordan?

Lebron's only finals disappointment is 2011.

I'm supposed to believe MJ with his second best player being Kevin Love at age 34 (turning 35) would beat a team with a healthy and in their prime: Curry, Klay, Durant, and Draymond?

There's literally zero percent chance that happens.

[dynamic duo]

lebron has been the clear-cut best player in the finals 8 times and has been to 10 finals with three different teams and systems while jordan made the finals 6 times in the watered down 90s. lebron is the goat and jordan is a mount rushmore player.

[SnoopDub]

What I find amusing is that if LeBron ends his career 6-9 in the Finals people will think 6-0 is more impressive.

Me too. I dont get it. Its like "its better to lose earlier than lose in the finals." Going to the finals is not a cake walk.

I hate Lebron but cmon he is there in NBA Mt. Rushmore. Possible can be GOAT too if he did get 2 more rings.

[RyderMike]

6 titles in 15 years is still better than anyone else, other than Russell.

No, George Mikan won 5 titles in 7 seasons.

Patrick McCaw is 3 titles in 4 seasons. And the one he didn't win, he missed the entire playoffs due to injury.

Spoiler:

obviously I'm not saying a deep bench player is the goat, just a joke

[OdomFan]

I never understood how losing in the Finals is way worse than losing in the 1st, 2nd round or the Conference Finals. Especially in team sports.

Often the same thing with clutch stats. A player can go 5 for 20 in the first 47 minutes and 59 seconds, hits a winning shot in the last second, and 'Man, he's so clutch, what a performance!'. No, they needed a lucky shot, a hail marry because he had missed 15 shots prior.

Focusing on just one particular stat which is in favor of a particular player, while blatantly ignoring stats that would be in favor of the other player, is such a hater thing to do.

When two players are as close as Lebron and MJ are, people will nitpick.

When was going undefeated in the finals ever a thing until people felt the need to defend Jordan?

Lebron's only finals disappointment is 2011.

I'm supposed to believe MJ with his second best player being Kevin Love at age 34 (turning 35) would beat a team with a healthy and in their prime: Curry, Klay, Durant, and Draymond?

There's literally zero percent chance that happens.

Well we don't know what those Cavs would look like with MJ because the team would not make the same free agent/trade decisions that they did to build a roster around Lebron in 2014. The draft that year could go differently too.

[OriginalRed]

6/15 is still better than 4/17.

[jefe]

lebron has been the clear-cut best player in the finals 8 times and has been to 10 finals with three different teams and systems while jordan made the finals 6 times in the watered down 90s. lebron is the goat and jordan is a mount rushmore player.

If the NBA of the 90s was watered down, then what was the eastern conference that Lebron played the vast majority of his career in?

[Pg81]

6/15 is still better than 4/17.

Is it though?

[Goose egg]

6/15 is still better than 4/17.

Is it though?

yes. you people need to start taking some math classes and learn about percentages, fractions, and numbers being greater than or less than other numbers

also op, 11/13 isn't perfect either. that would be "near-perfect". so you're praising bill russell for a false hood. 10/10 would be perfect, 100%.

[BeatDaCavs420]

How is this thread still even open? If this was about Lebron it be locked by someone already.

[BeatDaCavs420]

lebron has been the clear-cut best player in the finals 8 times and has been to 10 finals with three different teams and systems while jordan made the finals 6 times in the watered down 90s. lebron is the goat and jordan is a mount rushmore player.

[OdomFan]

lebron has been the clear-cut best player in the finals 8 times and has been to 10 finals with three different teams and systems while jordan made the finals 6 times in the watered down 90s. lebron is the goat and jordan is a mount rushmore player.

So someone is the goat to you as long as they're the best player on the floor regardless of the result of the game? yeaaa ok pal. That will never universally fly, but hey. Keep right on preaching that comedy.

[ropjhk]

OP thought he was being smart but instead showed he doesn't really know math that well.

6-9 with two of those seasons being shortened write offs, one being his rookie year and two more in a Wizards uniform.

[Ken Bannister]

Stretch Armstrong

Plastic Man reach

[nikster]

He won playoff series with Scottie Pippen coming off the bench averaging a whopping 7ppg.

He also won a championship with no other all nba or all star on his team (1991).

Bulls still had Grant/Oakley/even Paxon. And Pippen still averaged over 26 MPG. Bulls were higher seed just playing Cavs....

As for the championship year, Pippen did make an all defense team that year and more importantly he had won of the best post seasons of his HOF career if not the best.

He really based upon his post season should easily be considered as someone that moved into the top 10 among all NBA players. Sometimes all-star/all NBA recognition comes after you have arrived on the court. It did with Steph Curry so Pippen isn't the only one.

But the narrative he couldn't win a playoff series without Scottie is ludicrous. His rookie season he had perhaps the worst supporting cast ever. The next 2 seasons he played a top 3 team of all time in the Bird Celtics (one season he just came back from injury before the playoffs to push them to 8th seed after he missed the entire year).

The 4th season was Scotties rookie year and he just did not contribute to the teams success. They were winning that first round with or without Scottie.

They went against the all time great Celtics in the first round because the team sucked, they were sub 0.500 and barely qualified for playoffs. If they go up against another 1st seed thats not an all time great team, he still likely loses in the first round

[drchaos]

6 titles in 15 years is still better than anyone else, other than Russell.

No, George Mikan won 5 titles in 7 seasons.

Kareem won six championships with two different teams.

He also won league MVP six times (one more than Russell [and Jordan] and two more than Chamberlain).

[KnicksGadfly]

How did this Lebron fan manage to write a thread that attacked Jordan and somehow make Lebron look worse?