Draft Thread Part 2

[Reeko]

Say the draft order stays as is for the actual picks. I think our pick will be between Keon Johnson and Scottie Barnes:

1) Houston - Cade Cunningham
2) Detroit - Evan Mobley
3) Minnesota - Jonathan Kuminga
4) Orlando - Jalen Green
5) Oklahoma - Jalen Suggs
6) Cleveland - Jalen Johnson
7) Orlando - Scottie Barnes/Keon Johnson
8) Toronto - Scottie Barnes/Keon Johnson

Unless someone reaches in front of us we're probably left with those 2. If that were the case I'd probably take Johnson unless we believe we can turn Barnes into a shooter like OG, but even then he won't be a guy that you can give it to and get out of the way when you need a bucket. Johnson has much more of that potential.

I also want to point out that Jaden Springer was better statistically than Keon Johnson this season, although Keon has more star potential. Personally, if I had to compare their impact in college I'd put Springer more in the class of a Jrue Holiday, whereas Keon falls more in the class of Zach Lavine for me. And if that's the case one guy will impact winning much more, even if he's not as flashy.

In vid that I posted in the thread, the draft guy who Alfred was talking to had both Barnes and Springer ahead of Green and Kuminga. I think as a fan base we're focused on getting a guy who has the potential to become a legit 1st scoring option, the problem with that is that you usually end up picking a guy with more boom or bust potential. That hasn't been the front office's MO, and as much as I like a guy like Keon Johnson, the reality is that Masai and Bobby are probably more interested in guys like Moody and Springer, who don't have Keon's upside but have a much higher floor and have excellent analytics at the college level.

I'd also throw Dosunmu into that mix. He seems less likely to be a bust than other guys, and would fit into a bigger combo guard role. I wouldn't be mad if we came out with him or Springer, even at 8 or 9.

I think Dosunmu is a really good prospect. Just based off of what I've seen, he seems to have as much star potential as anyone outside of the top 5.

I just watched a Jaden Springer scouting report vid, and I think his ceiling is limited. He reminds me of Cory Joseph, with a ceiling of Malcolm Brogdon. He really struggles to hit the corner 3 which is concerning, and his end to end and half court speed are a bit slow for my liking. His defense does appear to be really good though and he seems to be a smart player with the ball in his hands.

A guy that I just saw a vid on is Ron Harper Jr. Now he's a really interesting player, he's 6'6 and built like a tank with a 7'0ft wingspan. He's a versatile defender, potentially able to guard 2-4. Really strong and seeks out contact on offense, with a solid handle and the ability to create his own shot. He can play PnR as either the ball handler or the screen setter and he seems to be able to catch and shoot well, specifically from the corners.

This is a year where if we're out of the top 5, I almost think that it would be better to trade out of the top 10 and get a pick in the teens and early twenties, because there are a lot of interesting prospects in that range.

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In vid that I posted in the thread, the draft guy who Alfred was talking to had both Barnes and Springer ahead of Green and Kuminga. I think as a fan base we're focused on getting a guy who has the potential to become a legit 1st scoring option, the problem with that is that you usually end up picking a guy with more boom or bust potential. That hasn't been the front office's MO, and as much as I like a guy like Keon Johnson, the reality is that Masai and Bobby are probably more interested in guys like Moody and Springer, who don't have Keon's upside but have a much higher floor and have excellent analytics at the college level.

I'd also throw Dosunmu into that mix. He seems less likely to be a bust than other guys, and would fit into a bigger combo guard role. I wouldn't be mad if we came out with him or Springer, even at 8 or 9.

I think Dosunmu is a really good prospect. Just based off of what I've seen, he seems to have as much star potential as anyone outside of the top 5.

I just watched a Jaden Springer scouting report vid, and I think his ceiling is limited. He reminds me of Cory Joseph, with a ceiling of Malcolm Brogdon. He really struggles to hit the corner 3 which is concerning, and his end to end and half court speed are a bit slow for my liking. His defense does appear to be really good though and he seems to be a smart player with the ball in his hands.

A guy that I just saw a vid on is Ron Harper Jr. Now he's a really interesting player, he's 6'6 and built like a tank with a 7'0ft wingspan. He's a versatile defender, potentially able to guard 2-4. Really strong and seeks out contact on offense, with a solid handle and the ability to create his own shot. He can play PnR as either the ball handler or the screen setter and he seems to be able to catch and shoot well, specifically from the corners.

This is a year where if we're out of the top 5, I almost think that it would be better to trade out of the top 10 and get a pick in the teens and early twenties, because there are a lot of interesting prospects in that range.

I think that Ayo could be the mini-Jimmy Butler of this draft.

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Boom or bust pick, projected in the 2nd round, I hope we grab this kid with one of our seconds, Isaiah Todd:

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He's had a rough upbringing but he's turned it around and looks like he's got bright future and superstar potential, imo. He's teammates with Jalen Green and Kuminga, and i'm not sure why he's ranked so much further down than they are because I think he's equally as talented despite not having the greatest g league season. He's definitely going to be a project for the next 2-3 years but I think it'd be totally worth it. He moves really fluid for his size and is 6"10, 210 and only 19 years old. I'd pick him over Kuminga and all the other boom or bust picks.

I would love to get Todd with a 2nd pick. He had a couple of clutch plays in the G-League. I think at best he'd be Rashard Lewis.

[Blood Orange]

Boom or bust pick, projected in the 2nd round, I hope we grab this kid with one of our seconds, Isaiah Todd:

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He's had a rough upbringing but he's turned it around and looks like he's got a bright future and superstar potential, imo. He's teammates with Jalen Green and Kuminga, and i'm not sure why he's ranked so much further down than they are because I think he's equally as talented despite not having the greatest g league season. He's definitely going to be a project for the next 2-3 years but I think it'd be totally worth it. He moves really fluid for his size and is 6"10, 210 and only 19 years old. I'd pick him over Kuminga and all the other boom or bust picks.

I would love to get Todd with a 2nd pick. He had a couple of clutch plays in the G-League. I think at best he'd be Rashard Lewis.

For sure, Rashard Lewis is definitely a good comp but I also see shades of Jermaine O'Neal. He's definitely someone that should be on our radar for 2nd round draftees.

[Mark_83]

Boom or bust pick, projected in the 2nd round, I hope we grab this kid with one of our seconds, Isaiah Todd:

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He's had a rough upbringing but he's turned it around and looks like he's got bright future and superstar potential, imo. He's teammates with Jalen Green and Kuminga, and i'm not sure why he's ranked so much further down than they are because I think he's equally as talented despite not having the greatest g league season. He's definitely going to be a project for the next 2-3 years but I think it'd be totally worth it. He moves really fluid for his size and is 6"10, 210 and only 19 years old. I'd pick him over Kuminga and all the other boom or bust picks.

I would love to get Todd with a 2nd pick. He had a couple of clutch plays in the G-League. I think at best he'd be Rashard Lewis.

Get out of my head!

That's exactly the player he reminds me of.

[Psubs]

Boom or bust pick, projected in the 2nd round, I hope we grab this kid with one of our seconds, Isaiah Todd:

Watch on YouTube

He's had a rough upbringing but he's turned it around and looks like he's got bright future and superstar potential, imo. He's teammates with Jalen Green and Kuminga, and i'm not sure why he's ranked so much further down than they are because I think he's equally as talented despite not having the greatest g league season. He's definitely going to be a project for the next 2-3 years but I think it'd be totally worth it. He moves really fluid for his size and is 6"10, 210 and only 19 years old. I'd pick him over Kuminga and all the other boom or bust picks.

I would love to get Todd with a 2nd pick. He had a couple of clutch plays in the G-League. I think at best he'd be Rashard Lewis.

Get out of my head!

That's exactly the player he reminds me of.

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[Chandan]

In vid that I posted in the thread, the draft guy who Alfred was talking to had both Barnes and Springer ahead of Green and Kuminga. I think as a fan base we're focused on getting a guy who has the potential to become a legit 1st scoring option, the problem with that is that you usually end up picking a guy with more boom or bust potential. That hasn't been the front office's MO, and as much as I like a guy like Keon Johnson, the reality is that Masai and Bobby are probably more interested in guys like Moody and Springer, who don't have Keon's upside but have a much higher floor and have excellent analytics at the college level.

I'd also throw Dosunmu into that mix. He seems less likely to be a bust than other guys, and would fit into a bigger combo guard role. I wouldn't be mad if we came out with him or Springer, even at 8 or 9.

I think Dosunmu is a really good prospect. Just based off of what I've seen, he seems to have as much star potential as anyone outside of the top 5.

I just watched a Jaden Springer scouting report vid, and I think his ceiling is limited. He reminds me of Cory Joseph, with a ceiling of Malcolm Brogdon. He really struggles to hit the corner 3 which is concerning, and his end to end and half court speed are a bit slow for my liking. His defense does appear to be really good though and he seems to be a smart player with the ball in his hands.

A guy that I just saw a vid on is Ron Harper Jr. Now he's a really interesting player, he's 6'6 and built like a tank with a 7'0ft wingspan. He's a versatile defender, potentially able to guard 2-4. Really strong and seeks out contact on offense, with a solid handle and the ability to create his own shot. He can play PnR as either the ball handler or the screen setter and he seems to be able to catch and shoot well, specifically from the corners.

This is a year where if we're out of the top 5, I almost think that it would be better to trade out of the top 10 and get a pick in the teens and early twenties, because there are a lot of interesting prospects in that range.

dosunmu is a photoshopper's nightmare. For that reason I am out.

[OAKLEY_2]

In vid that I posted in the thread, the draft guy who Alfred was talking to had both Barnes and Springer ahead of Green and Kuminga. I think as a fan base we're focused on getting a guy who has the potential to become a legit 1st scoring option, the problem with that is that you usually end up picking a guy with more boom or bust potential. That hasn't been the front office's MO, and as much as I like a guy like Keon Johnson, the reality is that Masai and Bobby are probably more interested in guys like Moody and Springer, who don't have Keon's upside but have a much higher floor and have excellent analytics at the college level.

I'd also throw Dosunmu into that mix. He seems less likely to be a bust than other guys, and would fit into a bigger combo guard role. I wouldn't be mad if we came out with him or Springer, even at 8 or 9.

I think Dosunmu is a really good prospect. Just based off of what I've seen, he seems to have as much star potential as anyone outside of the top 5.

I just watched a Jaden Springer scouting report vid, and I think his ceiling is limited. He reminds me of Cory Joseph, with a ceiling of Malcolm Brogdon. He really struggles to hit the corner 3 which is concerning, and his end to end and half court speed are a bit slow for my liking. His defense does appear to be really good though and he seems to be a smart player with the ball in his hands.

A guy that I just saw a vid on is Ron Harper Jr. Now he's a really interesting player, he's 6'6 and built like a tank with a 7'0ft wingspan. He's a versatile defender, potentially able to guard 2-4. Really strong and seeks out contact on offense, with a solid handle and the ability to create his own shot. He can play PnR as either the ball handler or the screen setter and he seems to be able to catch and shoot well, specifically from the corners.

This is a year where if we're out of the top 5, I almost think that it would be better to trade out of the top 10 and get a pick in the teens and early twenties, because there are a lot of interesting prospects in that range.

Agree with the Dosunmu analysis or observation. Do not think we should trade out. My take is we hope for Davion Mitchell based on BPA and favourable position like 7 or 8. Then we look at Tre Mann"s, Bouknight's, Moody's. If we are say 11th and none of the above are available I consider a Kai Jones, Scottie Barnes if he drops, or a reach for Dosunmo. The only guy I would trade back for is Garuba or we really like Sengun for reasons I don't yet get.

[God Squad]

I'd also throw Dosunmu into that mix. He seems less likely to be a bust than other guys, and would fit into a bigger combo guard role. I wouldn't be mad if we came out with him or Springer, even at 8 or 9.

I think Dosunmu is a really good prospect. Just based off of what I've seen, he seems to have as much star potential as anyone outside of the top 5.

I just watched a Jaden Springer scouting report vid, and I think his ceiling is limited. He reminds me of Cory Joseph, with a ceiling of Malcolm Brogdon. He really struggles to hit the corner 3 which is concerning, and his end to end and half court speed are a bit slow for my liking. His defense does appear to be really good though and he seems to be a smart player with the ball in his hands.

A guy that I just saw a vid on is Ron Harper Jr. Now he's a really interesting player, he's 6'6 and built like a tank with a 7'0ft wingspan. He's a versatile defender, potentially able to guard 2-4. Really strong and seeks out contact on offense, with a solid handle and the ability to create his own shot. He can play PnR as either the ball handler or the screen setter and he seems to be able to catch and shoot well, specifically from the corners.

This is a year where if we're out of the top 5, I almost think that it would be better to trade out of the top 10 and get a pick in the teens and early twenties, because there are a lot of interesting prospects in that range.

Agree with the Dosunmu analysis or observation. Do not think we should trade out. My take is we hope for Davion Mitchell based on BPA and favourable position like 7 or 8. Then we look at Tre Mann"s, Bouknight's, Moody's. If we are say 11th and none of the above are available I consider a Kai Jones, Scottie Barnes if he drops, or a reach for Dosunmo. The only guy I would trade back for is Garuba or we really like Sengun for reasons I don't yet get.

If we leave the draft with Davion Mitchell it'll be a failed year. I'd take pretty much any of the guys you mentioned.

[Tomjas]

Giddey was very good tonight

[DreamTeam09]

I would love to get Todd with a 2nd pick. He had a couple of clutch plays in the G-League. I think at best he'd be Rashard Lewis.

Get out of my head!

That's exactly the player he reminds me of.

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He's closer to bosh than Lewis, he plays perimeter big more than wing

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Get out of my head!

That's exactly the player he reminds me of.

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He's closer to bosh than Lewis, he plays perimeter big more than wing

I think if we're talking early career, you see they both use the turn-around mid-range jumper in the post. He doesn't back down his man all the way to the bucket. During the latter seasons of Bosh's Raptor career he developed the outside jumper out to the 3. Todd already shoots the 3 decently like Rashard Lewis.

If he was closer to Bosh than Lewis, even stylistically, he would be late lottery to late 1st pick in mocks. Right now, Todd isn't that effective down low against bigger stronger players, but will post up similar or smaller players on a mismatch. He'll stay outside and shoot over them or take them to the hoop. Bosh didn't do that until later. Todd doesn't get that many rebounds or blocks and plays more of a SF/PF role like Shard, while Bosh is a PF/C.

The Ignite team was under-sized, they had Brandon Ashley (6'9) and Amir Johnson (6'9) and picked up Donta Hall (6'9), so Todd being of similar (actually tallest player at 6'10) height would be playing PF off the bench.

I guess Rashard Lewis would be 6'9 without shoes. If Todd does measure out at 6'10 without shoes then I could see him playing more PF than SF on the next level, though both are 210 lbs. I guess he could still be growing another inch like all the other 19 year olds.

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With no real giant monsters in the draft, I'm cool drafting more skill and length at forward with the 2nd picks like Prkacin and Todd if they fall. Bye Stanley and Baynes. Let Prkacin stay overseas 1 more year to go for MVP and learn English better. Todd gets a shot right away but plays a full 905 season to learn the schemes. If Queta drops to the mid-2nd I'd take him too.

[niQ]

Why is Todd predicted to go in the 2nd round? What's the knock on him?

[Indeed]

Why is Todd predicted to go in the 2nd round? What's the knock on him?

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[Reeko]

Why is Todd predicted to go in the 2nd round? What's the knock on him?

Probably that he's a project. Offensively he's intriguing as a floor spacer at the 4, he can hit the 3 and has a nice Dirk one legged fade away that he goes to in the midrange, but he's perceived as a being a bit of a black hole on the offensive end. He lacks physicality, isn't a great rebounder, isn't a good rim protector, and his defense overall just needs a lot of work.
Edit: All of the info I just gave you, I got from the scouting video Indeed just posted.

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Why is Todd predicted to go in the 2nd round? What's the knock on him?

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If he would've went to Michigan, he might not have played. Now he made some money proved he could shoot from NBA 3 and hit a game winner. Wagner couldn't even get that many shots with all the senior guards shooting 40% from 3 and big freshman Dickinson!

Jarrett Jack tried to make an NBA comeback!!! I'm not sure they ran many plays. If he gets the open shots like the Raptors get in the flow of the offense, I think Todd can bring his % up to high 30's.

Us getting Todd with a 2nd pick would be like Denver getting Bol Bol with the #44 pick!


BTW, Wagner just announced that he enters the NBA draft.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/franz-wagner-michigan-basketball-ncaa-nba

[OAKLEY_2]

I think Dosunmu is a really good prospect. Just based off of what I've seen, he seems to have as much star potential as anyone outside of the top 5.

I just watched a Jaden Springer scouting report vid, and I think his ceiling is limited. He reminds me of Cory Joseph, with a ceiling of Malcolm Brogdon. He really struggles to hit the corner 3 which is concerning, and his end to end and half court speed are a bit slow for my liking. His defense does appear to be really good though and he seems to be a smart player with the ball in his hands.

A guy that I just saw a vid on is Ron Harper Jr. Now he's a really interesting player, he's 6'6 and built like a tank with a 7'0ft wingspan. He's a versatile defender, potentially able to guard 2-4. Really strong and seeks out contact on offense, with a solid handle and the ability to create his own shot. He can play PnR as either the ball handler or the screen setter and he seems to be able to catch and shoot well, specifically from the corners.

This is a year where if we're out of the top 5, I almost think that it would be better to trade out of the top 10 and get a pick in the teens and early twenties, because there are a lot of interesting prospects in that range.

Agree with the Dosunmu analysis or observation. Do not think we should trade out. My take is we hope for Davion Mitchell based on BPA and favourable position like 7 or 8. Then we look at Tre Mann"s, Bouknight's, Moody's. If we are say 11th and none of the above are available I consider a Kai Jones, Scottie Barnes if he drops, or a reach for Dosunmo. The only guy I would trade back for is Garuba or we really like Sengun for reasons I don't yet get.

If we leave the draft with Davion Mitchell it'll be a failed year. I'd take pretty much any of the guys you mentioned.

Let's see what Masai does before spilling tears on hypotheticals. Like jumping to conclusions already. Wait til workouts and let's see who kills it. The only knock on Mitchell is height but if we slavishly follow you can't teach height then how do we explainf Raptor GOAT #7?

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He will be a top. 10 pick.

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Giddey, Harris, Todd and Queta = 905 Championship!!!

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Since the beginning of March in 12 games (near the size of the 15 game G-League schedule), Giddey is averaging:

13 Points
9 Rebounds
9.66 Assists
3.58 Turnovers (A/T = 2.7)
In around 36 mins per game.

At this point, if Minnesota ends up out of the top 3, I don't want Golden State getting Giddey and letting Curry play SG! Also imagine Giddey and Wiseman P&R! Then they draft Franz Wagner with their 1st pick. Oh my!

PG Giddey - Curry
SG Curry - Poole - Lee
SF Klay - Wiggins - Wagner
PF Draymond - Paschall
C Wiseman - Looney