WargamesX wrote:Are there any really good D&3 prospects in this draft?
Another 3D guy that declared for the draft, Danny green material
Moderators: dakomish23, Capn'O, j4remi, Deeeez Knicks, NoLayupRule, GONYK, mpharris36, HerSports85, Jeff Van Gully
WargamesX wrote:Are there any really good D&3 prospects in this draft?
Nazrmohamed wrote:NewKnicks wrote:EMG518 wrote:
This is the most talent rich draft I have seen since I have been following. 10 years now. The fact that we don't have a high pick is another miscalculation by the Knicks leadership. Although it's not like we can draft anyway.
Agreed. People who are trying to make the statement that this draft is somehow overrated, did not watch much college bball this year. It was, and is a stacked draft top to bottom. All top 5 picks would have been the #1 pick last year. Outside of the top 5, there are another 5-8 players who have future star potential. The goal should be to get as high as we can, so we can get one more shot at hitting big on a draft pick.
This is probably the last draft for a while that we'll have the opportunity to get a really talented player. As the Knicks continue to improve, our picks will basically become useless moving forward because of our draft slots. `
I'll admit you are describing me. There's nothing like winning games to distract you from scouting college and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
But ok, I'll let you be the expert. If what you say is true then we can't afford it. Toppin and 2 picks is like the type of trade fodder I'm using to land guys who could walk in and help us ( and I dont mean by being flashy, I'm talking about winning expectation). And that's why I said top player under 25 is a better talent pool.
Right? If the top 5 is that good they'd laugh at that deal Toppin and 2 picks in the 20s? Then Idk, then it starts shifting the other way where it's like.....we gotta give up all that for who Cory Kispert? So I just dont think there are trades involving our 2 picks that really end up better than simply drafting where we land. Hey, maybe what you're saying should give me hope that those picks will land me the nba ready upperclassmen I'm looking for. If the draft is good up top then maybe those guys start falling down to the 20s.
Angryfatboy wrote:WargamesX wrote:Are there any really good D&3 prospects in this draft?
Sethaholic16 wrote:Angryfatboy wrote:WargamesX wrote:Are there any really good D&3 prospects in this draft?
http://www.tankathon.com/players/trey-murphy-iii
https://youtu.be/qziM5_K6rnA
6'9 toolsy wing with insane efficiency.
50% FG/43% 3pt/ 92% FT shooting splits
67% TS / low turnovers
Strengths:
Shooting, above average defense, quick release, excellent finisher, low turnovers, efficiency, can guard 1-4
Weaknesses:
Not a playmaker, poor rebounding%, skinny, already 21 yrs/old
Low usage, low volume guy. Doesn't force the issue. Knows his role.
This is the Mikal Bridges type that every team needs. He passes both the analytics and eye test.
I don't know how he's projected to be a second rounder.
cgmw wrote:Basically, in conclusion: I'd like Dolan to get off my lawn.
Capn'O wrote:We're not the kid cousin. We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
cgf wrote:Sethaholic16 wrote:Angryfatboy wrote:
http://www.tankathon.com/players/trey-murphy-iii
https://youtu.be/qziM5_K6rnA
6'9 toolsy wing with insane efficiency.
50% FG/43% 3pt/ 92% FT shooting splits
67% TS / low turnovers
Strengths:
Shooting, above average defense, quick release, excellent finisher, low turnovers, efficiency, can guard 1-4
Weaknesses:
Not a playmaker, poor rebounding%, skinny, already 21 yrs/old
Low usage, low volume guy. Doesn't force the issue. Knows his role.
This is the Mikal Bridges type that every team needs. He passes both the analytics and eye test.
I don't know how he's projected to be a second rounder.
Murphy has replaced Scottie Lewis as the 3&D guy I want if we can't get Ziaire. His defense & stroke just look like everything we hoped Knox was starting to become at the start of the season.
Sethaholic16 wrote:Angryfatboy wrote:WargamesX wrote:Are there any really good D&3 prospects in this draft?
http://www.tankathon.com/players/trey-murphy-iii
https://youtu.be/qziM5_K6rnA
6'9 toolsy wing with insane efficiency.
50% FG/43% 3pt/ 92% FT shooting splits
67% TS / low turnovers
Strengths:
Shooting, above average defense, quick release, excellent finisher, low turnovers, efficiency, can guard 1-4
Weaknesses:
Not a playmaker, poor rebounding%, skinny, already 21 yrs/old
Low usage, low volume guy. Doesn't force the issue. Knows his role.
This is the Mikal Bridges type that every team needs. He passes both the analytics and eye test.
I don't know how he's projected to be a second rounder.
phuqtup1 wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:Everyone knows my pick is Butler BUT damn D Mitch just fits this team with his defense, energy and work ethic. He feels like a knick
cgmw wrote:Basically, in conclusion: I'd like Dolan to get off my lawn.
Capn'O wrote:We're not the kid cousin. We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
cgf wrote:That's basically what I'm hoping for; Ziare, Butler, & Murphy. Kids who could contribute early on if called upon by injuries, but with the big homerun swing in Williams; who is potentially a perfect partner for Julius & Rowan.
WargamesX wrote:cgf wrote:That's basically what I'm hoping for; Ziare, Butler, & Murphy. Kids who could contribute early on if called upon by injuries, but with the big homerun swing in Williams; who is potentially a perfect partner for Julius & Rowan.
I keep trying to see it with Ziare but I can’t. I actually found myself on that BJ Boston train. He’s flawed and his time in UK stunk but you can see where he looks like he should be at least a NBA roleplayer.
cgmw wrote:Basically, in conclusion: I'd like Dolan to get off my lawn.
Capn'O wrote:We're not the kid cousin. We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
cgf wrote:WargamesX wrote:cgf wrote:That's basically what I'm hoping for; Ziare, Butler, & Murphy. Kids who could contribute early on if called upon by injuries, but with the big homerun swing in Williams; who is potentially a perfect partner for Julius & Rowan.
I keep trying to see it with Ziare but I can’t. I actually found myself on that BJ Boston train. He’s flawed and his time in UK stunk but you can see where he looks like he should be at least a NBA roleplayer.
Did you watch this?
If so & you're still not feeling him, I can understand...the further a kid has to go to reach their potential the more chances for something to go wrong and he's got quite a ways to go physically before he can start to reach his full upside; plus it's hard to tell if you're dealing with an RJ or a Knox without getting to interview these kids ourselves. So I get why he's not everyone's cup of tea, but I don't see anything that can't be fixed, ways for him to contribute early in his development as he works on stuff, and a huge payout if he does make good on all his talent.
If not give it a watch; I think it does the best job of highlighting the things that make me so excited by his potential & how well he could fit next to Julius n RJ, of anything that I have seen/read about Ziaire thus far. And it does a fair job of pointing out his shortcomings, even if they are generally all things that are fixable via hard work & time with NBA trainers.
WargamesX wrote:cgf wrote:WargamesX wrote:
I keep trying to see it with Ziare but I can’t. I actually found myself on that BJ Boston train. He’s flawed and his time in UK stunk but you can see where he looks like he should be at least a NBA roleplayer.
Did you watch this?
If so & you're still not feeling him, I can understand...the further a kid has to go to reach their potential the more chances for something to go wrong and he's got quite a ways to go physically before he can start to reach his full upside; plus it's hard to tell if you're dealing with an RJ or a Knox without getting to interview these kids ourselves. So I get why he's not everyone's cup of tea, but I don't see anything that can't be fixed, ways for him to contribute early in his development as he works on stuff, and a huge payout if he does make good on all his talent.
If not give it a watch; I think it does the best job of highlighting the things that make me so excited by his potential & how well he could fit next to Julius n RJ, of anything that I have seen/read about Ziaire thus far. And it does a fair job of pointing out his shortcomings, even if they are generally all things that are fixable via hard work & time with NBA trainers.
I did but I interpreted more that he made only quick reads, struggled to finish in contact, and get lift on one leg.
He is skilled but he feels like a project. I could see him developing into a Middleton type player and just like Middleton need a few seasons to develop physically enough to be good. He looks better than Reddish and Knox though in that he doesn’t seem as lost as to what his role is on the floor.
cgmw wrote:Basically, in conclusion: I'd like Dolan to get off my lawn.
Capn'O wrote:We're not the kid cousin. We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.