Mattise Thybulle has the highest DBPM in the league

[HotelVitale]

I'm curious how he'll look guarding crafty players like the players on the Nets who'll try and use his hands against him

He doesn't swipe at the ball from triple threat, though, or try to slap at crossovers etc when guys are dribbling. He gets almost all of his steals from getting his hands on passes and from poke steals (he's ridiculous at those). What he is vulnerable to is being manipulated into fouling by players with good body control; his defensive strategy for scorers or dangerous players is to crowd them and take away some of their room to operate, and then catch up to them quickly if they blow past him (which is where many of his blocks come from), which means that players who stop and start quickly can often get him to crash into them. If the Sixers play the Nets this PO, I'd bet heavily that Harden gets Thybulle in foul trouble in like 5 or 6 minutes in at least one of the games.

[Domejandro]

Giannis has done it twice, but beyond that, it is a pretty amazing achievement.

[jbk1234]

DBPM isn't some mysterious magic. Thybulle posts outrageous steal (leads the league in stl%) and block numbers (11th in the league % wise, and by far the highest mark for a non-center).

His defensive box score stats are the best in the league.

All BPM is pretty much junk. This isn't to say Thybulle isn't a good defender he's great on that end, but give me +/- over a large sample size.

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[kuclas]

I'm curious how he'll look guarding crafty players like the players on the Nets who'll try and use his hands against him

He does he some silly fouls from time to time. But it’s all the learning experience and referees understanding how he plays defense.

He main positives on defense are deflections and more importantly he has incredible ability to recover even after getting beat. Due to his length (6 foot 5 and close to a 7 foot wingspan). Oh sure Kyrie and harden can beat him off the dribble. But he can recover so it’s best once they beat him that they take it strong to the rim. A little floater May get blocked from behind by thybulle. He’s been doing that a lot recently.

[durden_tyler]

Won me a few fantasy weekly match-ups for his 2.5 steals and 2.5 blocked shots averages in some stretches. Thank you, Thybulle!

[Ducksplatt]

I don’t know so I am asking.
Is he a starter? Is he playing against other teams starters or is this 2nd units? I don’t watch Philly so any insight (or stats) would be appreciated.


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[VanWest82]

Same DBPM as MJ's '88 DPOY season. Wow.

[benhillboy]

Defensive box is very reliable in my opinion, my eyes popped out when I checked his a few days ago. He reminds me of Thabo with significantly longer arms. He literally shoves screeners aside then blankets the ball handler forcing him to pass out if he can’t get the poke steal from the rear. Totally dominant.

I don’t know what Philly’s ranking is in defending PNR but they’re likely near the top off the strength of him alone, let alone Simmons and Big Beed. With his much stronger center of gravity he has a chance to be as successful as anyone has been guarding KD. I may have seen his jumpshot blocked once in 7,000 tries. This kid could get a couple in a series.

Remember James Harden sealing a playoff win with a jumpshot block? That still sticks in my mind as surreal.

[HMFFL]

He's been putting up some ridiculous defensive stats since entering the league. He's going to have a ton of value if he can become a consistent three-point shooter.

Anyway, he's a good enough defensively to be on the teams, but I think I would go with the guys who playing a larger role. Thybulle is barely playing 20 minutes a game on a team with two other All-NBA defenders.

I hope he keeps the effort on defense going even once he signs longterm. I'd also like to see him become automatic from 3.

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[Tomjas]

I don’t know so I am asking.
Is he a starter? Is he playing against other teams starters or is this 2nd units? I don’t watch Philly so any insight (or stats) would be appreciated.


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Doesn’t start but generally in the game when they need a stop

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I clearly stated he's a great defender...but him having a DBPM over 4 would imply he's an all time elite guy which is why I simply want to simmer the excitement.

You used DRPM to say that “well he’s only average in this stat so I guess he’s a good defender”. You never stated he was “great” , we got receipts here

I was making the point that reality lies between the two metrics. Good, great...same damn thing.

Good and great are definitely not the same thing let alone the "same damn thing" lol

[bebopdeluxe]

He was available in the trade. Except Toronto got greedy and wanted more. Dude has 2 more years left in a cheap contract. So I don’t know what Toronto was thinking trying to ask for more. It’s not like he’s an expiring.

Again, you have no idea what was offered. It's so weird that people insist they know.

The 76ers could not afford to lose both Green/Thybulle in a trade for Lowry. A Green/Scott/Maxey/2021 FRP for Lowry/Thomas would have been a fair deal. Embiid/Simmons/Lowry/Harris/Thybulle and Curry as a 6th man would have improved the 76ers chances of winning a championship this season.

My sense is the deal you suggest was the deal that was offered - basically Maxey and a FRP. The Raptors wanted Thybulle.

That is why Lowry is sitting on a bench in LA tonight.

[bebopdeluxe]

This guy is just so much fun to watch on defence. And he's made improvements this year -- notably in his man defence and in fouling jump shooters with less frequency.

If he can improve his three point shot even a little bit, he'll be a 30+ minute guy next season. Lots of other little areas for offensive growth too (cuts, using his athleticism, better/quicker decision making, hitting the offensive glass, etc).

The hope is, if the Sixers don't re-sign Green, that Thybulle takes his place in the lineup.

[dkb9696]

Again, you have no idea what was offered. It's so weird that people insist they know.

The 76ers could not afford to lose both Green/Thybulle in a trade for Lowry. A Green/Scott/Maxey/2021 FRP for Lowry/Thomas would have been a fair deal. Embiid/Simmons/Lowry/Harris/Thybulle and Curry as a 6th man would have improved the 76ers chances of winning a championship this season.

My sense is the deal you suggest was the deal that was offered - basically Maxey and a FRP. The Raptors wanted Thybulle.

That is why Lowry is sitting on a bench in LA tonight.

The rumor is it came down to draft picks. The Raptors may have wanted an addition FRP and that was the deal breaker, or the 76ers would not offer a FRP. It hurts the 76ers more though because Lowry could have really made a difference on the 76ers. Maxey and the 28th pick is not something I am losing sleep over as a Raptors fan.

[Tomjas]

The 76ers could not afford to lose both Green/Thybulle in a trade for Lowry. A Green/Scott/Maxey/2021 FRP for Lowry/Thomas would have been a fair deal. Embiid/Simmons/Lowry/Harris/Thybulle and Curry as a 6th man would have improved the 76ers chances of winning a championship this season.

My sense is the deal you suggest was the deal that was offered - basically Maxey and a FRP. The Raptors wanted Thybulle.

That is why Lowry is sitting on a bench in LA tonight.

The rumor is it came down to draft picks. The Raptors may have wanted an addition FRP and that was the deal breaker, or the 76ers would not offer a FRP. It hurts the 76ers more though because Lowry could have really made a difference on the 76ers. Maxey and the 28th pick is not something I am losing sleep over as a Raptors fan.

The fact that Morey, who loves doing deals, wouldn’t pull the trigger tells me that the ask was very high

[Murray_17]

He's obviously a great defender, but I think we should take into consideration he's playing limited minutes and often against 2nd units.

He's still playing as an undersize PF currently and getting blocks on guys taller than him. He's also been guarding elite perimeters guys, i think Devin Booker still must have nightmares about Matisse.

His recovery is something i have never see in other player, he's getting a lot of blocks from behind guys, it's just nuts

I'm convinced his offense will come too, his athleticism alone give him great potential to attack the basket which he should even if his 3 point never gets good. The team also recognized this because he's becoming more of a cutter for the last games

[dkb9696]

My sense is the deal you suggest was the deal that was offered - basically Maxey and a FRP. The Raptors wanted Thybulle.

That is why Lowry is sitting on a bench in LA tonight.

The rumor is it came down to draft picks. The Raptors may have wanted an addition FRP and that was the deal breaker, or the 76ers would not offer a FRP. It hurts the 76ers more though because Lowry could have really made a difference on the 76ers. Maxey and the 28th pick is not something I am losing sleep over as a Raptors fan.

The fact that Morey, who loves doing deals, wouldn’t pull the trigger tells me that the ask was very high

I agree. Ujiri said he values Lowry very highly and maybe more then other teams and Morey said the asking price was in la la land without actually naming Lowry. I am paraphrasing of coarse.

[knuckles862]

I'm curious how he'll look guarding crafty players like the players on the Nets who'll try and use his hands against him

He doesn't swipe at the ball from triple threat, though, or try to slap at crossovers etc when guys are dribbling. He gets almost all of his steals from getting his hands on passes and from poke steals (he's ridiculous at those). What he is vulnerable to is being manipulated into fouling by players with good body control; his defensive strategy for scorers or dangerous players is to crowd them and take away some of their room to operate, and then catch up to them quickly if they blow past him (which is where many of his blocks come from), which means that players who stop and start quickly can often get him to crash into them. If the Sixers play the Nets this PO, I'd bet heavily that Harden gets Thybulle in foul trouble in like 5 or 6 minutes in at least one of the games.

Although harden is the ultimate test since he draws alot of fouls thybulle doesn't fall as many trucks as he did his rookie season. So I doubt he fouls out. Most players don't attack him 1 on 1 they almost always use a screen because his hands are usually too good to take 1 on 1

[zimpy27]

DBPM uses steals and block rate stats to rank players in a team and then ranks teams by defensive rating.

So this makes sense for Thybulle

[Fencer reregistered]

I've literally never seen a 4.2 DBPM for as long as I've looked at basketball stats. And I think he actually has enough games and minutes to actually say that it's can be somewhat reliable. First DPOY coming off the bench?

Michael Cooper did it. (2 starts in a year he played all 82 games.)
Dennis Rodman sort of did it. (43 starts in a year he played all 82 games.)