PG- Moral Victory

[ATLTimekeeper]

I thought George barely got in there, could have easily gone the other way as he was shifting into Pascal. Still, there's no way he should have pitched it to Birch or Yuta. He's not a great passer, but he is a safe passer. Rarely makes mistakes, it's just that he's made a lot of them at the end of games this year.

Overall our offense was just labouring to get Fred and Pascal difficult shots. The Clippers were just content with letting the open man win the game. Nurse put some non-shooters out there and that made the floor even smaller for our only two scoring options. They needed Malachi last night. He was way off.

[Mr Funk]

It's almost like FVV and pascal are actively tanking in the last two minutes. This is why we need talent to close out games.

I mean we also didn't have 3 starters. It's hard when 2 players have to create all the offense for 48 minutes.

Different game with Kyle and OG on the floor, arguably the team's two best players.

This team is going to be a lot of fun next year.

Hard to win when FVV and Pascal get all the attention and the other 3 guys are non scorers (Bembry, Stanley, Yuta, etc)

Need a reliable release valve. Harris offered it tonight

I wish someone could compile a video of Siakams charges this season. They would really be comical watching them one after another. Bonus if you add circus music

You could do this for any forward in the NBA. So what would be the point exactly?

Siakam has a 2-to-1 assist to turnover ratio, it's not like he doesn't look to pass.

Finally some contributors who aren't stupid, whiny obnoxious children who actually have brains and use them.

Thank you.

[Mr Funk]

How does kawhi get 13 points on 3/6 shots

Our defense, which Raptors fans look away from the screen during.

I know right? When people are this ignorant it's just WOW.

[phanman]

I thought George barely got in there, could have easily gone the other way as he was shifting into Pascal. Still, there's no way he should have pitched it to Birch or Yuta. He's not a great passer, but he is a safe passer. Rarely makes mistakes, it's just that he's made a lot of them at the end of games this year.

Overall our offense was just labouring to get Fred and Pascal difficult shots. The Clippers were just content with letting the open man win the game. Nurse put some non-shooters out there and that made the floor even smaller for our only two scoring options. They needed Malachi last night. He was way off.

The passes weren't there. PG had Birch covered prior to setting up for the charge and Jackson bumped/covered Yuta on for the cross court pass. With 1:30 remaining and only down 2, he should have just pulled it out without the fast break advantage as PG/Jackson were already back and Morris/Kawhi beat the rest of our team down the floor.

That said, you just got to give credit to PG for making an amazing game saving play and at least give Pascal praise for doubling Kawhi and forcing the turnover.

[OAKLEY_2]

lol both shot 10-24, career wise FVV is at 40.6% and Siakam at 48.8%. Plus the reason people want FVV traded is because its a position of depth, Kyle Lowry is still better than FVV and will be at least for a couple of years. PF is not a position on strength. They can trade FVV to improve elsewhere and sign Lowry back, FVV isn't some superstar point guard, in two years when Lowry is done they can find someone else.

Lowry's defense is worse than FVV. It's very noticeable. However, FVV is not as good as playmaker as Lowry (except last night) in most games. I would say Lowry is about the same as FVV in combined defensive and offensive impact.

Considering Lowry is demanding 25M x2 for his age 35 and 36, whereas FVV has 21M x3 left, FVV is a better allocation of resources, so we should move on from Lowry and let FVV start and live with the downgrade in playmaking.

The hope is Flynn develops enough to fill the playmaking gap Lowry leaves, at a rookie scale contract.

There is another option we let Lowry walk, find a trade for Fred (perhaps to a team with a top 14 pick? like the Pacers or Magic who will probably own the Bulls' #7 or #8 overall pick) and let Malachi run the point next season.

I say hand the keys to Fred and let Malachi lead the second unit with GTjr and Boucher etc. Draft this year the very best two guard, hopefully but not necessarily with height, and then start the mf-er. Let the lotto two guard play themselves out of a job like Paskal and OG did. If when they falter Trent Jr is there to take up the role.

[OAKLEY_2]

Oh and BBS in theirs from a day ago.
No. 9 — Moses Moody, G, Arkansas — Toronto Raptors.

[OAKLEY_2]

Make that CBS...

[OAKLEY_2]

Malachi is looking really good out there.

[Dennis 37]

I'm not giving up on Pascal as a player at all. I love watching him play especially when he's cooking. I hope he takes these failures to heart, watches the game tape and learns about how to slow the game down in the big moments and is able to learn how to be better.

We ragged on Demar as a closer in the past especially when we witnessed him dribbling the ball off the his foot and didn't even get a game winning/tying shot off. He's had a few pretty nice game-winning shots later on in Toronto and also in San Antonio. But we know Demar's a gym rat and has a crazy work ethic.

So hopefully these are learning opportunities for Pascal. Keep giving him these opportunities for the rest of the season...let him work out the kinks and hopefully he comes back stronger next season.

As of right now...he ain't a closer.

We got OG. If Pascal never gets his nerves under control in the clutch, he will still draw the double team and can dish it off to OG.

It's about making the right decision in crunch time...about having that court awareness that allows you to assess all of your options in real time and make the right decision. That is something that could be learned...and hopefully he does.

The charge that Paul George draw last night, the double dribble call in the Knicks game...those are examples of poor decision making in big moments. Some players learn from their failures and get better...some never do. I'm not sure where Pascal lands in this...but I hope he has the drive and work ethic to be better.

I hope that with enough learning opportunities...the game slows down for him in those moments and he is able to figure it out and make the right decision.

Decision making could be affected by fatigue. We've seen that with Fred.

[Spates]

We got OG. If Pascal never gets his nerves under control in the clutch, he will still draw the double team and can dish it off to OG.

It's about making the right decision in crunch time...about having that court awareness that allows you to assess all of your options in real time and make the right decision. That is something that could be learned...and hopefully he does.

The charge that Paul George draw last night, the double dribble call in the Knicks game...those are examples of poor decision making in big moments. Some players learn from their failures and get better...some never do. I'm not sure where Pascal lands in this...but I hope he has the drive and work ethic to be better.

I hope that with enough learning opportunities...the game slows down for him in those moments and he is able to figure it out and make the right decision.

Decision making could be affected by fatigue. We've seen that with Fred.

Or ego. Although its settled down recently, this season Siakam hasn't seemed to be willing to pass up shots to get teammates going. He was taking every opportunity to put points up to the detriment of the team. He came into the league as a willing passer so it comes off to me as a guy trying to get buckets to bolster their image, especially after an All-NBA season.

He looks great when he leverages his attention to get the team easy baskets.

[Dennis 37]

It's about making the right decision in crunch time...about having that court awareness that allows you to assess all of your options in real time and make the right decision. That is something that could be learned...and hopefully he does.

The charge that Paul George draw last night, the double dribble call in the Knicks game...those are examples of poor decision making in big moments. Some players learn from their failures and get better...some never do. I'm not sure where Pascal lands in this...but I hope he has the drive and work ethic to be better.

I hope that with enough learning opportunities...the game slows down for him in those moments and he is able to figure it out and make the right decision.

Decision making could be affected by fatigue. We've seen that with Fred.

Or ego. Although its settled down recently, this season Siakam hasn't seemed to be willing to pass up shots to get teammates going. He was taking every opportunity to put points up to the detriment of the team. He came into the league as a willing passer so it comes off to me as a guy trying to get buckets to bolster their image, especially after an All-NBA season.

He looks great when he leverages his attention to get the team easy baskets.

While this could b true. what also could be true is that coaches are telling him to get practice being the closer. He may just take a while to get there.

[kj_]

It's about making the right decision in crunch time...about having that court awareness that allows you to assess all of your options in real time and make the right decision. That is something that could be learned...and hopefully he does.

The charge that Paul George draw last night, the double dribble call in the Knicks game...those are examples of poor decision making in big moments. Some players learn from their failures and get better...some never do. I'm not sure where Pascal lands in this...but I hope he has the drive and work ethic to be better.

I hope that with enough learning opportunities...the game slows down for him in those moments and he is able to figure it out and make the right decision.

Decision making could be affected by fatigue. We've seen that with Fred.

Or ego. Although its settled down recently, this season Siakam hasn't seemed to be willing to pass up shots to get teammates going. He was taking every opportunity to put points up to the detriment of the team. He came into the league as a willing passer so it comes off to me as a guy trying to get buckets to bolster their image, especially after an All-NBA season.

He looks great when he leverages his attention to get the team easy baskets.

Except that his assists per game and ast% are both the highest of his career.


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[GreatWhiteStiff]

Yeah he's playmaking actonne its obvious. A Victory for team tank and team fun last night. Not bad.

[Chandan]

Feel bad for Kawhi. Breathing so hard into the mic. I think all that load management is messing with his stamina.

Game ended 4 mins ago and he's breathing hard

Has anyone ever seen FVV sweat or out of breathe?

[HiJiNX]

He shouldn't be the guy with the ball in his hands to win the game...we know that already. We need someone who is capable of the big plays in the big moments. The last guy we had at that level...was wearing a Clippers jersey and has a weird laugh. Maybe we find that guy in the draft.

Word. What I’m saying is there’s a difference between missing shots late game or not being able to beat the defence versus what we are seeing with Siakam, which is unforced turnovers. This is two late game advantageous transition opportunities in two weeks he’s ruined with turnovers. That’s not about his talent level, that’s about his head.

I'm not giving up on Pascal as a player at all. I love watching him play especially when he's cooking. I hope he takes these failures to heart, watches the game tape and learns about how to slow the game down in the big moments and is able to learn how to be better.

We ragged on Demar as a closer in the past especially when we witnessed him dribbling the ball off the his foot and didn't even get a game winning/tying shot off. He's had a few pretty nice game-winning shots later on in Toronto and also in San Antonio. But we know Demar's a gym rat and has a crazy work ethic.

So hopefully these are learning opportunities for Pascal. Keep giving him these opportunities for the rest of the season...let him work out the kinks and hopefully he comes back stronger next season.

As of right now...he ain't a closer.

Agreed! I’d keep giving it to him. He has the talent, just needs to learn to handle the pressure and stay calm. Personally I think he can get there but the growing pains are oooogly.

[Spates]

Decision making could be affected by fatigue. We've seen that with Fred.

Or ego. Although its settled down recently, this season Siakam hasn't seemed to be willing to pass up shots to get teammates going. He was taking every opportunity to put points up to the detriment of the team. He came into the league as a willing passer so it comes off to me as a guy trying to get buckets to bolster their image, especially after an All-NBA season.

He looks great when he leverages his attention to get the team easy baskets.

Except that his assists per game and ast% are both the highest of his career.


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Well yeah, he's growing as a primary playmaker and the uptick in assists is a positive. His assist percentage even goes up in the fourth quarter. Good stuff.

That doesn't mean that he is routinely making the right reads, or making the right pass, or taking the highest quality of shots. His percentage of made baskets at the rim off assists has decreased from 48% to 36%. So he's generating more of his own looks. His efg% at the rim is 58%, so pretty solid.

Pascal's mid-range game is a problem though. He's has an efg of 40%. Those shots usually don't come in rhythm and are a result of the a lane to the basket being cut off. He's always looking to get downhill and not getting to spots in the mid range with intention and so has to rely on last resort mid range jumpers. As the primary creator those are shot he has to take and make but at least while he's not converting them at a high clip moving the ball may be the better option.

It's an area for improvement. That's all.

[HiJiNX]

I thought George barely got in there, could have easily gone the other way as he was shifting into Pascal. Still, there's no way he should have pitched it to Birch or Yuta. He's not a great passer, but he is a safe passer. Rarely makes mistakes, it's just that he's made a lot of them at the end of games this year.

Overall our offense was just labouring to get Fred and Pascal difficult shots. The Clippers were just content with letting the open man win the game. Nurse put some non-shooters out there and that made the floor even smaller for our only two scoring options. They needed Malachi last night. He was way off.

I think the key moment for Pascal to make that pass was right when he recovered the ball. The moment he dribbled the pass disappeared and Birch should have spread wide to give Siakam the drive and kick or more room to split left and create a pass to Birch. But Siakam also needs to stop making up his mind in transition. It’s a bad habit of his as he picks up lots of charges in transition. Learning experiences for everyone.

[HiJiNX]

Or ego. Although its settled down recently, this season Siakam hasn't seemed to be willing to pass up shots to get teammates going. He was taking every opportunity to put points up to the detriment of the team. He came into the league as a willing passer so it comes off to me as a guy trying to get buckets to bolster their image, especially after an All-NBA season.

He looks great when he leverages his attention to get the team easy baskets.

Except that his assists per game and ast% are both the highest of his career.


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Well yeah, he's growing as a primary playmaker and the uptick in assists is a positive. His assist percentage even goes up in the fourth quarter. Good stuff.

That doesn't mean that he is routinely making the right reads, or making the right pass, or taking the highest quality of shots. His percentage of made baskets at the rim off assists has decreased from 48% to 36%. So he's generating more of his own looks. His efg% at the rim is 58%, so pretty solid.

Pascal's mid-range game is a problem though. He's has an efg of 40%. Those shots usually don't come in rhythm and are a result of the a lane to the basket being cut off. He's always looking to get downhill and not getting to spots in the mid range with intention and so has to rely on last resort mid range jumpers. As the primary creator those are shot he has to take and make but at least while he's not converting them at a high clip moving the ball may be the better option.

It's an area for improvement. That's all.

Yeah he’s making the game harder for himself and exhausting energy driving every time he gets it. Teams are now giving him the midrange on the catch and he’d be smart to start taking it rather than probing and trying to beat three defenders at the rim. More than the three ball I think the midrange really opens up his game.

[Spates]

Except that his assists per game and ast% are both the highest of his career.


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Well yeah, he's growing as a primary playmaker and the uptick in assists is a positive. His assist percentage even goes up in the fourth quarter. Good stuff.

That doesn't mean that he is routinely making the right reads, or making the right pass, or taking the highest quality of shots. His percentage of made baskets at the rim off assists has decreased from 48% to 36%. So he's generating more of his own looks. His efg% at the rim is 58%, so pretty solid.

Pascal's mid-range game is a problem though. He's has an efg of 40%. Those shots usually don't come in rhythm and are a result of the a lane to the basket being cut off. He's always looking to get downhill and not getting to spots in the mid range with intention and so has to rely on last resort mid range jumpers. As the primary creator those are shot he has to take and make but at least while he's not converting them at a high clip moving the ball may be the better option.

It's an area for improvement. That's all.

Yeah he’s making the game harder for himself and exhausting energy driving every time he gets it. Teams are now giving him the midrange on the catch and he’d be smart to start taking it rather than probing and trying to beat three defenders at the rim. More than the three ball I think the midrange really opens up his game.

Yeah. Make or miss it would add better flow to offense. Probing on the move would help too. It does often feel like he won't attack until a decision has been made and has a hard time deviating from his decisions. Maybe we'll see that improvement once his handle tightens.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I thought George barely got in there, could have easily gone the other way as he was shifting into Pascal. Still, there's no way he should have pitched it to Birch or Yuta. He's not a great passer, but he is a safe passer. Rarely makes mistakes, it's just that he's made a lot of them at the end of games this year.

Overall our offense was just labouring to get Fred and Pascal difficult shots. The Clippers were just content with letting the open man win the game. Nurse put some non-shooters out there and that made the floor even smaller for our only two scoring options. They needed Malachi last night. He was way off.

I think the key moment for Pascal to make that pass was right when he recovered the ball. The moment he dribbled the pass disappeared and Birch should have spread wide to give Siakam the drive and kick or more room to split left and create a pass to Birch. But Siakam also needs to stop making up his mind in transition. It’s a bad habit of his as he picks up lots of charges in transition. Learning experiences for everyone.

Yes, but then Birch is putting it on the floor to finish. I think it was a good decision, but a bad second decision. If they didn't struggle so much in the half-court in the clutch, they wouldn't press on their fast break opportunities. We see this with both Pascal and Fred trying to finish through contact they really haven't proven they can do consistently, or get calls they pretty much never get.