Alperen Şengün

[Mirotic12]

Sengun's current measurements are:

Height: 6-10 without shoes on
Wingspan: 7-0
Weight: 243 pounds (down from 270 a year ago)

That's not undersized in any league. It's especially not undersized in the current NBA, where many power forwards and centers are smaller than that. And he is only 18 years old, so he will get bigger.

His body frame is naturally very large, as he weighed 270 pounds, just a year ago. So not getting too big is actually the concern with him, not that he is undersized.

[babyjax13]

The more I have watched the more I have become a believer, I was very skeptical at first.

[clyde21]

i think his size is fine, bigger problem will be if he can maintain his weight/conditioning, looks like he's packing a lot of baby fat tbh and he has a pretty thick base already, if he takes care of his body then he'll be fine from a physical standpoint.

[Mickey8]

Sengun's current measurements are:

Height: 6-10 without shoes on
Wingspan: 7-0
Weight: 243 pounds (down from 270 a year ago)

That's not undersized in any league. It's especially not undersized in the current NBA, where many power forwards and centers are smaller than that. And he is only 18 years old, so he will get bigger.

His body frame is naturally very large, as he weighed 270 pounds, just a year ago. So not getting too big is actually the concern with him, not that he is undersized.

He's undersized for the center, especially going against bigger,taller skilled centers ,there is no way he's 6"10 without shoes ,I doubt he's 6"10 in the shoes, his height is inflated, whoever posted those measures is lying, eyes don't lie, you only have to compare to him to legit 6"11 and 7" tall centers, he's way shorter than them.

[nolang1]

Sengun's current measurements are:

Height: 6-10 without shoes on
Wingspan: 7-0
Weight: 243 pounds (down from 270 a year ago)

That's not undersized in any league. It's especially not undersized in the current NBA, where many power forwards and centers are smaller than that. And he is only 18 years old, so he will get bigger.

His body frame is naturally very large, as he weighed 270 pounds, just a year ago. So not getting too big is actually the concern with him, not that he is undersized.

He's undersized for the center, especially going against bigger,taller skilled centers ,there is no way he's 6"10 without shoes ,I doubt he's 6"10 in the shoes, his height is inflated, whoever posted those measures is lying, eyes don't lie, you only have to compare to him to legit 6"11 and 7" tall centers, he's way shorter than them.

Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan are that height without shoes. Obviously they're longer and more vertically explosive but if that size hasn't kept them from being all-defense/DPOY type of centers in their prime it shouldn't keep Sengun from being passable.

[peZt]

i think his size is fine, bigger problem will be if he can maintain his weight/conditioning, looks like he's packing a lot of baby fat tbh and he has a pretty thick base already, if he takes care of his body then he'll be fine from a physical standpoint.

He was a fat, unathletic blob that could barely dunk two years ago who could barely dunk

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I think his work ethic is fine, expect him to shed more of that baby fat

[Mirotic12]

i think his size is fine, bigger problem will be if he can maintain his weight/conditioning, looks like he's packing a lot of baby fat tbh and he has a pretty thick base already, if he takes care of his body then he'll be fine from a physical standpoint.

He weighed 270 a year ago, and now he weighs 243. So he must have been working pretty hard on his body and conditioning. The club he plays for, Besiktas, is a very large multi sport club, and I am sure that it has all of the best training methods.

But yeah, the fact that he was at 270 at like 17, just shows how getting too big, would be more the concern, and not that he's undersized.

[Mickey8]

Sengun's current measurements are:

Height: 6-10 without shoes on
Wingspan: 7-0
Weight: 243 pounds (down from 270 a year ago)

That's not undersized in any league. It's especially not undersized in the current NBA, where many power forwards and centers are smaller than that. And he is only 18 years old, so he will get bigger.

His body frame is naturally very large, as he weighed 270 pounds, just a year ago. So not getting too big is actually the concern with him, not that he is undersized.

He's undersized for the center, especially going against bigger,taller skilled centers ,there is no way he's 6"10 without shoes ,I doubt he's 6"10 in the shoes, his height is inflated, whoever posted those measures is lying, eyes don't lie, you only have to compare to him to legit 6"11 and 7" tall centers, he's way shorter than them.

Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan are that height without shoes. Obviously they're longer and more vertically explosive but if that size hasn't kept them from being all-defense/DPOY type of centers in their prime it shouldn't keep Sengun from being passable.

DeAndre Jordan is clearly near or if not being 7 feet tall, I am just comparing other centers to Jokic, because I know for sure how tall Jokic really is, and Jordan is taller than him by the half or the full inch , and again those players were athletic as you pointed out, the elite NBA athletes ,Sengun is a decent athlete but yet again, he's not superb athlete, and I will keep repeating he's undersized for the center , I am not saying he wont have any success in the NBA, but he will be exploited by the bigger , skilled centers and he wont be able to move around easily his defenders like he's doing it in Turkish league , he should try to improve his three point shooting too. I like his skill set , he's a good young player , I just don't see all those all star appearance for him like other people here are foreseeing for him in the future.

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Oguz Savas is clearly taller than Sengun, and Savas is maybe 6"11 in the shoes , more 6"10. Sengun is deceptively good athlete, he has some hops.

[Mirotic12]

Oguz Savas is clearly taller than Sengun, and Savas is maybe 6"11 in the shoes , more 6"10.

Oguz Savas is huge. He is listed at 2.13 m, which is 7-0.

Turkish players have always been listed by barefoot heights, not in shoes height.

Oguz Savas is listed at 7-0 barefoot by the EuroLeague:

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=JPF#!careerstats

Oguz Savas is listed at 7-0 barefoot by the Turkish League:

http://www.tblstat.net/pd.asp?p=715

There is no way that Savas is 6-11 "in shoes", or even 6-10 "in shoes". More like 7-1 in shoes. He's a huge center, and anyone can see that he is easily a true 7 footer, just by looking at him. He's always been an enormous player. You are downgrading his height by 2-3 inches.

[Mickey8]

Savas is maybe 6"10 in the shoes , when Krstic used to battle him with Serbian NT, Krstic would dwarf him, and Krstic is legit 7 footer. Stop exaggerating players heights. Its easy on the eye to recognize that he's hardly 208 cm tall player . Turkish federation is issuing false measurements , like they did with the births of their players numerous times.

[nolang1]

He's undersized for the center, especially going against bigger,taller skilled centers ,there is no way he's 6"10 without shoes ,I doubt he's 6"10 in the shoes, his height is inflated, whoever posted those measures is lying, eyes don't lie, you only have to compare to him to legit 6"11 and 7" tall centers, he's way shorter than them.

Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan are that height without shoes. Obviously they're longer and more vertically explosive but if that size hasn't kept them from being all-defense/DPOY type of centers in their prime it shouldn't keep Sengun from being passable.

DeAndre Jordan is clearly near or if not being 7 feet tall, I am just comparing other centers to Jokic, because I know for sure how tall Jokic really is, and Jordan is taller than him by the half or the full inch , and again those players were athletic as you pointed out, the elite NBA athletes ,Sengun is a decent athlete but yet again, he's not superb athlete, and I will keep repeating he's undersized for the center , I am not saying he wont have any success in the NBA, but he will be exploited by the bigger , skilled centers and he wont be able to move around easily his defenders like he's doing it in Turkish league , he should try to improve his three point shooting too. I like his skill set , he's a good young player , I just don't see all those all star appearance for him like other people here are foreseeing for him in the future.

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Oguz Savas is clearly taller than Sengun, and Savas is maybe 6"11 in the shoes , more 6"10. Sengun is deceptively good athlete, he has some hops.

DeAndre Jordan measured 6'9.75" barefoot at the draft combine. God this is tiring to go through every year with European players.

[Mirotic12]

DeAndre Jordan measured 6'9.75" barefoot at the draft combine. God this is tiring to go through every year with European players.

Just a few months ago, plenty of people were convinced there was no way that Poku was over 6-9. And that his height listing was obviously fake and made up. Then he comes to the US, and measures at 7-0 barefoot, just like his height listing in Europe.

Again, the arguments with Sengun now. It really is amazing how effective the NBA marketing gimmicks are. All those years of US sports media, US draft sites, NBA game announcers, and those NBA draft shows saying things like, "players in the NBA are bigger and taller than the players in any other league", combined with them also saying for all these years that "the players in Europe are smaller and shorter than NBA players" (both types of statements are untrue by fact), really paid off. As you said, with literally every single European draft prospect we get these arguments that they are very clearly shorter than their height listings. Then they almost always get measured at the same height, or in many cases even end up being 1-2 inches taller than their listed height in Europe.

Does anything change for the next European draft prospect? Nope. Right back to the "they are obviously shorter than their listings" arguments. It just shows how much power those NBA marketing gimmicks really have on people's views of the NBA and other leagues.

Just to clarify here for people that don't follow European basketball and don't know who Oguz Savas is - he is absolutely most definitely 100% a true 7 footer. There is absolutely no way he is anything shorter than 7-0 or 7-1 in shoes, for example. He is most definitely not 6-10 in shoes.

[DaddyCool19]

Just to clarify here for people that don't follow European basketball and don't know who Oguz Savas is - he is absolutely most definitely 100% a true 7 footer. There is absolutely no way he is anything shorter than 7-0 or 7-1 in shoes, for example. He is most definitely not 6-10 in shoes.

Savas looks quite a bit taller than Kanter, who was measured at 6'9,75 without shoes at the combine.



Here he looks huge as well. I think he is easily 6'11 or taller without shoes. Ersan looks tiny next to him, and he should be around 6'8 without shoes. Asik was listed at 6'11 before going to the United States and doesn't look taller than Savas.

No Idea what the other guy is thinking.

[UcanUwill]

I dont get how people say Alperen Sengun is too small to play center in the NBA, have you seen what players play inside in todays NBA? Look at this Nets team tonight, Eubanks and Dieng look gigantic playing there against these guys, its a league where Jeff Green plays center a lot. I would not be surprised at all if average bigman in the NBA is noticeably smaller than onces in Turkey. Now Sengun has good defensive numbers, but if we talked how his D translates and how well he will chase centers like Griffin, Saric, Vucevic etc, thats a more warranted topic.
Same can be said about Garuba, Garuba is short, but he will play center without a problem in todays NBA.

[MemphisX]

I dont get how people say Alperen Sengun is too small to play center in the NBA, have you seen what players play inside in todays NBA? Look at this Nets team tonight, Eubanks and Dieng look gigantic playing there against these guys, its a league where Jeff Green plays center a lot. I would not be surprised at all if average bigman in the NBA is noticeably smaller than onces in Turkey. Now Sengun has good defensive numbers, but if we talked how his D translates and how well he will chase centers like Griffin, Saric, Vucevic etc, thats a more warranted topic.
Same can be said about Garuba, Garuba is short, but he will play center without a problem in todays NBA.

His skill level is not geared for being successful if undersized. He is not going to out quick bigger guys, has no history of deep shooting success and is not an outlier athlete.

[UcanUwill]

I dont get how people say Alperen Sengun is too small to play center in the NBA, have you seen what players play inside in todays NBA? Look at this Nets team tonight, Eubanks and Dieng look gigantic playing there against these guys, its a league where Jeff Green plays center a lot. I would not be surprised at all if average bigman in the NBA is noticeably smaller than onces in Turkey. Now Sengun has good defensive numbers, but if we talked how his D translates and how well he will chase centers like Griffin, Saric, Vucevic etc, thats a more warranted topic.
Same can be said about Garuba, Garuba is short, but he will play center without a problem in todays NBA.

His skill level is not geared for being successful if undersized. He is not going to out quick bigger guys, has no history of deep shooting success and is not an outlier athlete.

He is very young, if he played against youth competitions like most players, even NBA prospects do his age, can you imagine how all around he would look? For most players his age we get impressed for their U19 numbers, Sengun already played for Turkish national mens team and looked dominant. This kid will develop a total package I have no doubt about it, and if he can play inside in Turkey, he will play well inside in the NBA, where more and more barely forwards play center these days.

[GSWFan1994]

Sengun's combination of drastic improvement over the past 2 years, his age, and mainly, his excellent performance numbers relative to the context of the competition he's in, all together, makes me sure we have an underrated prospect.

[Mickey8]

I dont get how people say Alperen Sengun is too small to play center in the NBA, have you seen what players play inside in todays NBA? Look at this Nets team tonight, Eubanks and Dieng look gigantic playing there against these guys, its a league where Jeff Green plays center a lot. I would not be surprised at all if average bigman in the NBA is noticeably smaller than onces in Turkey. Now Sengun has good defensive numbers, but if we talked how his D translates and how well he will chase centers like Griffin, Saric, Vucevic etc, thats a more warranted topic.
Same can be said about Garuba, Garuba is short, but he will play center without a problem in todays NBA.

He will be out of the league in 5,6 season, playing in G league or somewhere in Spain, its not that he is just undersized but he's not very skilled player too, so its a double whammy for Garuba. At least Sengun have the skills so he can potently make some noise in the NBA , Garuba is one of the most overrated prospects in this NBA Draft. By the way even guys from ESPN have Sengun as 6"9 tall, which he most likley is, comparing him to legit 6"11,7"0 tall players.

[Mickey8]

Just to clarify here for people that don't follow European basketball and don't know who Oguz Savas is - he is absolutely most definitely 100% a true 7 footer. There is absolutely no way he is anything shorter than 7-0 or 7-1 in shoes, for example. He is most definitely not 6-10 in shoes.

Savas looks quite a bit taller than Kanter, who was measured at 6'9,75 without shoes at the combine.



Here he looks huge as well. I think he is easily 6'11 or taller without shoes. Ersan looks tiny next to him, and he should be around 6'8 without shoes. Asik was listed at 6'11 before going to the United States and doesn't look taller than Savas.

No Idea what the other guy is thinking.

Erden is 7"0 , Asik is 7"0 , You have the issue with your sight , that makes Savas about 6"9, 6"10 , he's clearly inch or two shorter than those two players. I don't even care about pictures , I saw him next to the legit seven footers and he was dwarfed by them.

[Mirotic12]

By the way even guys from ESPN have Sengun as 6"9 tall, which he most likley is, comparing him to legit 6"11,7"0 tall players.

Oh, you mean the same geniuses that also claimed the Turkish League is the best league in Europe? Which is totally laughable and just flat out wrong..........never mind that they were wrong on the heights of European players like 80% of the time in the past.

Erden is 7"0 , Asik is 7"0 , You have the issue with your sight , that makes Savas about 6"9, 6"10 , he's clearly inch or two shorter than those two players. I don't even care about pictures , I saw him next to the legit seven footers and he was dwarfed by them.

The photos show he's about the same height as Asik.