Race for Ping Pong Balls

[basketballRob]

Hate the Grizz even more.

Edwards was pretty special in that game. 42 pts and his TS was near 100.

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[Knightro]

1. Houston
2. Detroit.
3-4-5 (tie): Cleveland, Orlando, Oklahoma City
6. Minnesota

Minnesota beats Detroit and Orlando to finish with 22 wins. Cleveland, Orlando and OKC all lose out.

[basketballRob]

1. Houston
2. Detroit.
3-4-5 (tie): Cleveland, Orlando, Oklahoma City
6. Minnesota

Minnesota beats Detroit and Orlando to finish with 22 wins. Cleveland, Orlando and OKC all lose out.

As long as we roll out these same 9 players, we should be able to lose out. If they bring back WCJ, we may win one.

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[GelbeWand09]

1. Houston
2. Detroit.
3-4-5 (tie): Cleveland, Orlando, Oklahoma City
6. Minnesota

Minnesota beats Detroit and Orlando to finish with 22 wins. Cleveland, Orlando and OKC all lose out.

As long as we roll out these same 9 players, we should be able to lose out. If they bring back WCJ, we may win one.

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The g-leaque call ups had a bigger influence on us winning the last 2 than WCJ. We talk after we play the Philly bench 2 games in a row about losing out.

[pepe1991]

Minessota only has 4 games remaining on their schedule.
Miami, Orlando, Detroit and Denver.

3 of 4 on a road, home game also being last game of a season, vs Denver.

There are several outcomes. They can lose to us and we are f***ed.
They can beat us and lose to Pistons and nothing will change in standings

And ofc they can pull plug on their core 3 players and lose all 4.
Or win all 4, ofc, but they don't have talent to beat Miami and Denver as both teams play for seeding. Miami being 1 win away from avoiding playin and Nuggets 1 win away from having home court adventage in 2 rounds.

[drsd]

Today's tankathon pull:
Orlando 8
Chicago 9


....

Orlando sits tied at #4/#5/#6 with OKC and Cleveland.
Orlando is a 1 game better than #3 Minny
Orlando is 5 1/2 games worse better than #7 Chicago

Chicago sits at #7
Chicago is 1/2 game worse better than #8 Toronto
Chicago is 3 1/2 games out of a play-in slot


The computers have the Magic finishing tied for 3/4/5 (Minny climbs to 6) and the Bulls at 7.

[drsd]

Kings beat Lakers and Dallas in last 2 games, they play OKC 3 times, Memphis twice, Spurs and Indiana. They can very easly make playin tournament. They just need position themselfs to be within striking reach of Memphis- their last two games. No reasons to lose whatsoever

Sacramento has throughout outpaced the Bulls in this final stretch run. Now we need Toronto to also pick up some steam.

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[Knightro]

Minessota only has 4 games remaining on their schedule.
Miami, Orlando, Detroit and Denver.

3 of 4 on a road, home game also being last game of a season, vs Denver.

There are several outcomes. They can lose to us and we are f***ed.
They can beat us and lose to Pistons and nothing will change in standings

And ofc they can pull plug on their core 3 players and lose all 4.
Or win all 4, ofc, but they don't have talent to beat Miami and Denver as both teams play for seeding. Miami being 1 win away from avoiding playin and Nuggets 1 win away from having home court adventage in 2 rounds.

They also have Boston and Dallas at home on May 15 and May 16.

https://www.espn.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/min

[basketballRob]

Maybe we can officially shut down Ross and Ennis for the year, so we can bring in a couple more G league players? I'm worried teams like the 76ers may already secured a spot and sit all the starters.

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[drsd]

Maybe we can officially shut down Ross and Ennis for the year, so we can bring in a couple more G league players? I'm worried teams like the 76ers may already secured a spot and sit all the starters.

ANy update on Carter's progress on his eye injury?

[drsd]

Maybe we can officially shut down Ross and Ennis for the year, so we can bring in a couple more G league players? I'm worried teams like the 76ers may already secured a spot and sit all the starters.

Looks like you are correct:

News: 20 hours agoEnnis (calf) may not play again this season, Roy Parry of the Orlando Sentinel reports.

Spin: Ennis has already been ruled out of Wednesday's game against Boston, and coach Steve Clifford intimated that the wing -- as well as a few other injured Magic players -- may not return before the end of the regular season. "I don't even know what the time frame [is]," Clifford said. "If you look at the schedule now, it's seven games, I think it'd be 12 days, and I'm not sure even if any of those guys are that close, to be honest with you." Ennis was able to play in two games last week, but his calf injury has kept him out of eight of the last 10 contests, including Wednesday.

[basketballRob]

Maybe we can officially shut down Ross and Ennis for the year, so we can bring in a couple more G league players? I'm worried teams like the 76ers may already secured a spot and sit all the starters.

Looks like you are correct:

News: 20 hours agoEnnis (calf) may not play again this season, Roy Parry of the Orlando Sentinel reports.

Spin: Ennis has already been ruled out of Wednesday's game against Boston, and coach Steve Clifford intimated that the wing -- as well as a few other injured Magic players -- may not return before the end of the regular season. "I don't even know what the time frame [is]," Clifford said. "If you look at the schedule now, it's seven games, I think it'd be 12 days, and I'm not sure even if any of those guys are that close, to be honest with you." Ennis was able to play in two games last week, but his calf injury has kept him out of eight of the last 10 contests, including Wednesday.

Not sure about WCJ, but hopefully they sit him. We have a huge advantage at center over some of these teams.

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[basketballRob]

I kind of hope Toronto catches the Bulls for 7th worst. It only makes like 7% difference between 7th and 8th on getting a top four, but it helps.

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[D J C]

There's really people that aren't excited for the Bulls pick? Literally every year dating back to 2003, nearly 20 years now, there's been an all star caliber player taken between picks 7 and 13. We'll have our choice of that range of prospects, and after seeing Chuma and Cole develop so quickly I'm liking our chances better at picking the right one.

From 2003 to 2020 total of 119 players were drafted in that range.
2004 Igoudala, Deng
2005 Bynum
2006 -
2007 Noah
2008 Brook Lopez
2009 Curry, Derozan
2010 Hayward, George
2011 Kemba Klay
2012 Drummond, Lillard
2013 -
2014 Randle, Lavine
2015 Booker
2016 Sabonis
2017 Mitchell
2018 -
2019 -
2020 -

19 out of 119 players meaning you have, at average ,11% chance for allstar. However, take this term "allstar" very loosly because it just means player showed up for allstar game once. Drummond, Deng, Lopez, Noah, Sabonis, Bynum, Igoudala were never "stars" nor ever lead their teams anywhere.
Most experts,however, belive that "soft tank" is best tank, so guys like Curry, George, Mitchell, Lillard are not brought to apsolute disasters of a team and that allowed them to develop in competitive enviroment and become better players faster and reach their max potential.

Bulls pick isn't safe bet, there is around 2/3 chance of keeping it and 1/3 of losing it. And because draft isn't deep enough and it's very easy to predict that no Michael Porter Jr type will be falling from grace from projected 1# to 8th , it's hard to look at some Jaden Springer, Isaiah Jackson or Wagner and be crazy exited, at least to me.

I don't care if we lose that pick this year. It will be very hard task to play all those young players next year anyway. With returning Isaac and Fultz, and adding own rookie, adding some veteran leadership, PT for most young players compared to this year will go down. Especially Cole, and if we draft SG , Hampton is in that case, third stringer already.

Yeah I was using the term 'all star level' loosely because the ASG is a bit of a joke sometimes. You have guys like Jamal Murray who hasn't made an ASG yet but you saw what he did in the playoffs last year.. I think any of us would love to have him on the team.

So I charted 'contributors' who I believe are above-average players to all star talents, players who I believe make a positive impact on a team

For 2004-2018:

Drafted 1-6: 35 players (2.33 players/year)
Luka, Trae, Lonzo, Tatum, Fox, Isaac, Simmons, Ingram, Jaylen, KAT, Zing, Embiid, Dipo, AD, Beal, Lillard, Kyrie, Wall, DMC, Blake, Harden, Rose, Westbrook, Love, Gallinari, KD, Horford, Conley, LMA, Roy, Bogut, Deron, CP3, Dwight, Ben Gordon

Drafted 7-13: 25 players (1.67 players/year)
Sexton, Shai, Mikal, Donovan, Jamal Murray, Sabonis, Booker, Randle, Lavine, CJ, Adams, Barnes, Kemba, Klay, Hayward, PG, Steph, Demar, Eric Gordon, Brook Lopez, Noah, Rudy Gay, JJ Redick, Bynum, Iguodala

So looking at this 15 year sample size, the top 6 definitely has a lot more of the top end 'All-Pro' talent and you have a ~38% shot at a contributor, but there's still a ~22% shot at getting a contributor in the late lotto. I wouldn't say that is insignificant.

I don't think you can look at it either as bringing in too much young talent.. players like Booker, Klay, PG, etc are going to rise to the top and show their talent no matter what. Imagine PHX passing on Book because they had Bledsoe, Knight, and Goodwin.. or the Magic trading away Sabonis for a vet because they already had AG & Mario to develop. Aquire as much talent as you can, put them on the floor to see who can play, and then make moves to get everyone to fit.

[basketballRob]

A bunch of good players drafted after 13, like Kawhi and Giannis.

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[thelead]

Pistons playing well against Memphis

[basketballRob]

Chicago's still got a chance, if Washington keeps losing. They hold the tiebreaker.

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[RookieStar]

DET pulling off the tank clutch moves down the stretch

[basketballRob]

VanVleet with the 3 pointer with 1.3 seconds left to send it to overtime. I think I want Washington to win to make it harder for Chicago to catch them.

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[basketballRob]

Pacers need to win.

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