Woj: Bjorkgren on the hot seat

[Scoot McGroot]

Wheels are falling off.

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[Wizop]

Wheels are falling off.

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Foster was over the line.

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[Pacers Forever]

Definitely over the line and Myles tries to stop him and then Brogdon steps in at the end. I can see that the players might just have had enough if this is how they are coached. Bjork just walked along and watched.

[boomershadow]

Time for a players-only meeting?

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[pacers33granger]

Goga was wrong but not even close to as wrong as Foster. The fact Nate was seemingly ok with it and Foster isn't already gone is concerning. Popeye got results out of the bigs for years without acting like a roided out teenager over blown assignments.

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[Pacers_Freak]

I'm not saying that Foster reacted in an appropriate way but I'm surprised to see how many think he was in the wrong but not Goga. Again, Foster should be more professional but if you show up your coach and tell him to sit the F down I'm not surprised there was a reaction. I like Goga but that was a disrespectful move and I'm not surprised there was a reaction.

[Scoot McGroot]

Goga was wrong but not even close to as wrong as Foster. The fact Nate was seemingly ok with it and Foster isn't already gone is concerning. Popeye got results out of the bigs for years without acting like a roided out teenager over blown assignments.

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Yeah, this is where I’m at. Goga messed up. He missed an assignment, but Foster exploded. Then, when he cursed at Foster, Foster REALLY exploded. What Goga did gets addressed with sitting him and talking to him. What Foster did gets addressed with a suspension or a reassignment/firing.

[Scoot McGroot]

Goga was wrong but not even close to as wrong as Foster. The fact Nate was seemingly ok with it and Foster isn't already gone is concerning. Popeye got results out of the bigs for years without acting like a roided out teenager over blown assignments.

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Yeah, this is where I’m at. Goga messed up. He missed an assignment, but Foster exploded. Then, when he cursed at Foster, Foster REALLY exploded. What Goga did gets addressed with sitting him and talking to him. What Foster did gets addressed with a suspension or a reassignment/firing.

And really, there’s going to have to be a really good reason before tonight’s game if Greg Foster is still on the bench tonight. Otherwise, this is a terrible indictment on the management skills of Bjorkgren/Pritchard.

[Pacers_Freak]

Goga was wrong but not even close to as wrong as Foster. The fact Nate was seemingly ok with it and Foster isn't already gone is concerning. Popeye got results out of the bigs for years without acting like a roided out teenager over blown assignments.

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Yeah, this is where I’m at. Goga messed up. He missed an assignment, but Foster exploded. Then, when he cursed at Foster, Foster REALLY exploded. What Goga did gets addressed with sitting him and talking to him. What Foster did gets addressed with a suspension or a reassignment/firing.

And really, there’s going to have to be a really good reason before tonight’s game if Greg Foster is still on the bench tonight. Otherwise, this is a terrible indictment on the management skills of Bjorkgren/Pritchard.

I know I'm in the minority but I disagree. Emotional line of work. If this was a multiple occurrence thing I would agree. To me this was a one off of a couple of frustrated guys. To be honest.... this team needed someone to blow their top and get into them.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah, this is where I’m at. Goga messed up. He missed an assignment, but Foster exploded. Then, when he cursed at Foster, Foster REALLY exploded. What Goga did gets addressed with sitting him and talking to him. What Foster did gets addressed with a suspension or a reassignment/firing.

And really, there’s going to have to be a really good reason before tonight’s game if Greg Foster is still on the bench tonight. Otherwise, this is a terrible indictment on the management skills of Bjorkgren/Pritchard.

I know I'm in the minority but I disagree. Emotional line of work. If this was a multiple occurrence thing I would agree. To me this was a one off of a couple of frustrated guys. To be honest.... this team needed someone to blow their top and get into them.

Apparently, they didn’t. Or Foster didn’t do it right. They didn’t get better.

But mostly, chasing after players and fighting through reasonable bystanders, all your coworkers, and the head coach is an unreasonable act. If the plan is coaching through violence and intimidation, you’re doing it wrong. It’s not the 80’s anymore. Maybe should’ve earned the players respect, or benched him to get the point across. Chasing after a guy isn’t it. That’s not “getting into them”. That’s simply losing control. What was his plan if he actually got in arms reach of Goga?

[Pacers_Freak]

And really, there’s going to have to be a really good reason before tonight’s game if Greg Foster is still on the bench tonight. Otherwise, this is a terrible indictment on the management skills of Bjorkgren/Pritchard.

I know I'm in the minority but I disagree. Emotional line of work. If this was a multiple occurrence thing I would agree. To me this was a one off of a couple of frustrated guys. To be honest.... this team needed someone to blow their top and get into them.

Apparently, they didn’t. Or Foster didn’t do it right. They didn’t get better.

But mostly, chasing after players and fighting through reasonable bystanders, all your coworkers, and the head coach is an unreasonable act. If the plan is coaching through violence and intimidation, you’re doing it wrong. It’s not the 80’s anymore. Maybe should’ve earned the players respect, or benched him to get the point across. Chasing after a guy isn’t it. That’s not “getting into them”. That’s simply losing control. What was his plan if he actually got in arms reach of Goga?

C'mon now he wasn't going to fight him on the sidelines or anything as you say get within arms reach. Where I do agree with you is he should have earned Goga's respect before hand where he would not have said that to Foster. But to play Devil's Advocate.... if you are Foster and you let a player talk to you like that from the court and don't do anything about it.... how do you function. Foster over reacted 100%. You tell an alpha male (all athletes are) to sit the F down... there is going to be a reaction.

If I looked at my boss in front of all of our workers and told him to sit the F down there is going to be a confrontation.

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[Scoot McGroot]

I can live with that, I guess.

[Scoot McGroot]

I know I'm in the minority but I disagree. Emotional line of work. If this was a multiple occurrence thing I would agree. To me this was a one off of a couple of frustrated guys. To be honest.... this team needed someone to blow their top and get into them.

Apparently, they didn’t. Or Foster didn’t do it right. They didn’t get better.

But mostly, chasing after players and fighting through reasonable bystanders, all your coworkers, and the head coach is an unreasonable act. If the plan is coaching through violence and intimidation, you’re doing it wrong. It’s not the 80’s anymore. Maybe should’ve earned the players respect, or benched him to get the point across. Chasing after a guy isn’t it. That’s not “getting into them”. That’s simply losing control. What was his plan if he actually got in arms reach of Goga?

C'mon now he wasn't going to fight him on the sidelines or anything as you say get within arms reach. Where I do agree with you is he should have earned Goga's respect before hand where he would not have said that to Foster. But to play Devil's Advocate.... if you are Foster and you let a player talk to you like that from the court and don't do anything about it.... how do you function. Foster over reacted 100%. You tell an alpha male (all athletes are) to sit the F down... there is going to be a reaction.

If I looked at my boss in front of all of our workers and told him to sit the F down there is going to be a confrontation.

We don’t know what he was going to do if he got there. That’s the problem. But you can’t look at the way he charged and tried to rush through his fellow coaches and the players and say “Clearly he was level-headed and just wanted to talk”. But you’re saying he was rushing through people holding him back just to talk and coach?

And again, coaches have to sacrifice. If they’re focused on “keeping it real” and whatnot, they’re failing their players. Alpha male or not (and I disagree that all athletes are “alpha males”, or that even Foster is “alpha male”...he seems more like “likes to fight guy”). Coaches work to get the best out of their players, not to get in their face if they feel like they’re not respected enough. Bob Knight was that way. Coaches now aren’t necessarily that, and don’t have to be that.


As for comparing the NBA, with a collective bargain, to your job, I just wouldn’t. There’s likely little to no comparison. One is collectively bargained, while the other is likely “right to work”. And even if you tell your boss to “f off”, if he chases after you and ends up placing hands on you, he still has committed assault and/or battery. That’s not ok, either. That’s representative of poor management, much like Greg Foster’s actions were. And the team seems to agree as Goga was fined, while Foster was suspended.

[Pacers_Freak]

Apparently, they didn’t. Or Foster didn’t do it right. They didn’t get better.

But mostly, chasing after players and fighting through reasonable bystanders, all your coworkers, and the head coach is an unreasonable act. If the plan is coaching through violence and intimidation, you’re doing it wrong. It’s not the 80’s anymore. Maybe should’ve earned the players respect, or benched him to get the point across. Chasing after a guy isn’t it. That’s not “getting into them”. That’s simply losing control. What was his plan if he actually got in arms reach of Goga?

C'mon now he wasn't going to fight him on the sidelines or anything as you say get within arms reach. Where I do agree with you is he should have earned Goga's respect before hand where he would not have said that to Foster. But to play Devil's Advocate.... if you are Foster and you let a player talk to you like that from the court and don't do anything about it.... how do you function. Foster over reacted 100%. You tell an alpha male (all athletes are) to sit the F down... there is going to be a reaction.

If I looked at my boss in front of all of our workers and told him to sit the F down there is going to be a confrontation.

We don’t know what he was going to do if he got there. That’s the problem. But you can’t look at the way he charged and tried to rush through his fellow coaches and the players and say “Clearly he was level-headed and just wanted to talk”. But you’re saying he was rushing through people holding him back just to talk and coach?

And again, coaches have to sacrifice. If they’re focused on “keeping it real” and whatnot, they’re failing their players. Alpha male or not (and I disagree that all athletes are “alpha males”, or that even Foster is “alpha male”...he seems more like “likes to fight guy”). Coaches work to get the best out of their players, not to get in their face if they feel like they’re not respected enough. Bob Knight was that way. Coaches now aren’t necessarily that, and don’t have to be that.


As for comparing the NBA, with a collective bargain, to your job, I just wouldn’t. There’s likely little to no comparison. One is collectively bargained, while the other is likely “right to work”. And even if you tell your boss to “f off”, if he chases after you and ends up placing hands on you, he still has committed assault and/or battery. That’s not ok, either. That’s representative of poor management, much like Greg Foster’s actions were. And the team seems to agree as Goga was fined, while Foster was suspended.

But he didn't put his hands on Goga. You're charging after him thing is purely speculative. So when Foster was T'd off he was supposed to say oh... they have a CBA? C'mon.

Look I know times have changed and that is definitely for the better. If this was a regular thing then he should be gone. I didn't even know Greg Foster was on the staff so this seems to be a one off. Woj tweet said he and Goga have a great relationship. Sometimes competitors get fired up. I'm cool with them sitting him for a game. But this really isn't a big deal.

[pacers33granger]

Absolutely weak by the front office. Players get multiple game suspensions for doing less. This is a great way to tell the players you don't stand behind them. Fining Goga is 100% warranted. But a slap on the wrist for Foster makes it look like the problems go all the way up.

Emotions run high, but when was the last time you saw a coach try to physically go after a player mid game? The guy should be done, no questions.

At this point I'll be upset if we make the playoffs. The team doesn't deserve it and we don't need another "we still snuck in and would've been much better without injuries" presser after getting stomped by Brooklyn, Philly, or Milwaukee.

I'm not fully out on Nate since he was dealt a bad hand in a weird season. 100% out on Foster as an assistant and it's a bad look to keep him on imo.

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[pacers33granger]

C'mon now he wasn't going to fight him on the sidelines or anything as you say get within arms reach. Where I do agree with you is he should have earned Goga's respect before hand where he would not have said that to Foster. But to play Devil's Advocate.... if you are Foster and you let a player talk to you like that from the court and don't do anything about it.... how do you function. Foster over reacted 100%. You tell an alpha male (all athletes are) to sit the F down... there is going to be a reaction.

If I looked at my boss in front of all of our workers and told him to sit the F down there is going to be a confrontation.

We don’t know what he was going to do if he got there. That’s the problem. But you can’t look at the way he charged and tried to rush through his fellow coaches and the players and say “Clearly he was level-headed and just wanted to talk”. But you’re saying he was rushing through people holding him back just to talk and coach?

And again, coaches have to sacrifice. If they’re focused on “keeping it real” and whatnot, they’re failing their players. Alpha male or not (and I disagree that all athletes are “alpha males”, or that even Foster is “alpha male”...he seems more like “likes to fight guy”). Coaches work to get the best out of their players, not to get in their face if they feel like they’re not respected enough. Bob Knight was that way. Coaches now aren’t necessarily that, and don’t have to be that.


As for comparing the NBA, with a collective bargain, to your job, I just wouldn’t. There’s likely little to no comparison. One is collectively bargained, while the other is likely “right to work”. And even if you tell your boss to “f off”, if he chases after you and ends up placing hands on you, he still has committed assault and/or battery. That’s not ok, either. That’s representative of poor management, much like Greg Foster’s actions were. And the team seems to agree as Goga was fined, while Foster was suspended.

But he didn't put his hands on Goga. You're charging after him thing is purely speculative. So when Foster was T'd off he was supposed to say oh... they have a CBA? C'mon.

Look I know times have changed and that is definitely for the better. If this was a regular thing then he should be gone. I didn't even know Greg Foster was on the staff so this seems to be a one off. Woj tweet said he and Goga have a great relationship. Sometimes competitors get fired up. I'm cool with them sitting him for a game. But this really isn't a big deal.

It's a huge deal. This stuff doesn't happen mid game. Best case scenario, he's just a bad coach. Worst case scenario, he's an active detriment to our bigs. This isn't a shouting match in practice. It's a huge embarrassment to the franchise and, while Goga was wrong, this embarrassment is all on Foster. You don't act like that as a middle aged coach. You be the bigger man and keep it in house.

He'll KPJ got dumped on a tiny salary with star potential for getting into it with the GM in the locker room.

Even if he wasn't that much in the wrong, he very clearly rubbed all of the players the wrong way. You cut cancer out when you can.

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[boomershadow]

The first Pacers coach I am old enough to remember was Larry Brown, so I'm not super "scandalized" by what happened. I can't imagine if someone told him to sit the eff down lol.

That said, this kind of blowup isn't how to relate to players in this day and age. Hopefully it's true, as Woj said, that they do have a decent working relationship off the court and this was just sort of a boiling over of tension because things have been going so bad lately.

I'm not too sure that's really what it looks like from the outside though

[pacers33granger]

Their off court relationship frankly doesn't matter at this point though. You don't do what Foster did. He's supposed to be a professional and that was far from it.

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