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Re: Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy 

Post#101 » by raptor jesus » Thu May 6, 2021 6:38 pm

So apparently the Pacers never dug much in Bjorkgren's past, including his stint in Phoenix where he worked with T.J Warren, which may have revealed some of his leadership blemishes. It sounds like they just fixated on a Nurse disciple and bought Nurse's pitch for his buddy hook, line, and sinker. Yet another example of why a good front office is a major advantage.
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Re: Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy 

Post#102 » by Marty_Budda » Thu May 6, 2021 6:44 pm

scuervo1 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942713-inside-the-turbulent-tenure-of-indiana-pacers-coach-nate-bjorkgren

Every paragraph is worse than the last. It is sad to see Nurse's coaching tree start in this manner. It is like a soap opera.


While reading this, all I could think about was how elite our FO is. Nothing like this ever came out about Nate. All everyone had to say were good things etc. And I doubt he’s changed his personality much since becoming pacers head coach. Maybe Masai or nurse knew how to keep him in check? Who knows.

Kinda crazy that warren asked for a trade as soon as it was announced he’d be coach lol.
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Re: Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy 

Post#103 » by ItsDanger » Thu May 6, 2021 6:47 pm

Warren's injury goes back to last season. That type of injury in basketball requires surgery. The part in the story may be more or less accurate but lets not exaggerate his part.

Our team keeps 99% of the stuff in house. I would credit Lowry on this aspect most of all.
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Re: Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy 

Post#104 » by alpngso » Thu May 6, 2021 7:00 pm

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Read on Twitter


Yeah, he gone.


after reading this, sounds like he might be better in college rather than the nba

Also him embarrassing people in public is nothing different from Nurse.

Nurse calls out players all the time too
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Re: Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy 

Post#105 » by Tofubeque » Thu May 6, 2021 7:02 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Warren's injury goes back to last season. That type of injury in basketball requires surgery. The part in the story may be more or less accurate but lets not exaggerate his part.

Our team keeps 99% of the stuff in house. I would credit Lowry on this aspect most of all.


Maybe the internal issues Lowry and Kawhi were cryptic about after the championship were actually about Bjorkgren. :lol:
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Re: Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy 

Post#106 » by EH15 » Thu May 6, 2021 7:05 pm

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scuervo1 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942713-inside-the-turbulent-tenure-of-indiana-pacers-coach-nate-bjorkgren

Every paragraph is worse than the last. It is sad to see Nurse's coaching tree start in this manner. It is like a soap opera.


While reading this, all I could think about was how elite our FO is. Nothing like this ever came out about Nate. All everyone had to say were good things etc. And I doubt he’s changed his personality much since becoming pacers head coach. Maybe Masai or nurse knew how to keep him in check? Who knows.

Kinda crazy that warren asked for a trade as soon as it was announced he’d be coach lol.

I'll play devil's advocate. I think these hit pieces are just from the Pacers to soften the blowback of an inevitable firing of a head coach after one season. Is there smoke there? Sure. But some of this stuff is exaggerated to make him look worse. He might be a bad fit.
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Re: Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy 

Post#107 » by mtcan » Thu May 6, 2021 7:11 pm

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scuervo1 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942713-inside-the-turbulent-tenure-of-indiana-pacers-coach-nate-bjorkgren

Every paragraph is worse than the last. It is sad to see Nurse's coaching tree start in this manner. It is like a soap opera.


While reading this, all I could think about was how elite our FO is. Nothing like this ever came out about Nate. All everyone had to say were good things etc. And I doubt he’s changed his personality much since becoming pacers head coach. Maybe Masai or nurse knew how to keep him in check? Who knows.

Kinda crazy that warren asked for a trade as soon as it was announced he’d be coach lol.

I'll play devil's advocate. I think these hit pieces are just from the Pacers to soften the blowback of an inevitable firing of a head coach after one season. Is there smoke there? Sure. But some of this stuff is exaggerated to make him look worse. He might be a bad fit.

I'm not sure if that Bleacher Report reflects worse on Bjorkgren or rather the Pacers front office. It sounds like front office incompetence in not vetting the candidate thoroughly. If Bjorkgren is an ****...yes it is his fault but it is Pritchard's fault for not figuring that out beforehand.
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Re: Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy 

Post#108 » by raps14 » Thu May 6, 2021 7:12 pm

Makes Bjorkgren sound like Dwight Schrute. Wanted to be assistant regional manager when he was in Toronto, but Nurse gave him the assistant to the regional manger to make him happy. Then the first time he is promoted, he is arrogant, wants everything done his way and he shoots his "gun" off in the office, which will get him fired.
In all seriousness if a lot of that article is true, his time in the NBA may be done. Might have to go coach in the G League or overseas.
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Post#109 » by DelAbbot » Thu May 6, 2021 7:12 pm

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Pooh_Jeter wrote:
Read on Twitter


Yeah, he gone.


after reading this, sounds like he might be better in college rather than the nba

Also him embarrassing people in public is nothing different from Nurse.

Nurse calls out players all the time too


So does Pops

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Post#110 » by Raps in 4 » Thu May 6, 2021 7:20 pm

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Marty_Budda wrote:
While reading this, all I could think about was how elite our FO is. Nothing like this ever came out about Nate. All everyone had to say were good things etc. And I doubt he’s changed his personality much since becoming pacers head coach. Maybe Masai or nurse knew how to keep him in check? Who knows.

Kinda crazy that warren asked for a trade as soon as it was announced he’d be coach lol.

I'll play devil's advocate. I think these hit pieces are just from the Pacers to soften the blowback of an inevitable firing of a head coach after one season. Is there smoke there? Sure. But some of this stuff is exaggerated to make him look worse. He might be a bad fit.

I'm not sure if that Bleacher Report reflects worse on Bjorkgren or rather the Pacers front office. It sounds like front office incompetence in not vetting the candidate thoroughly. If Bjorkgren is an ****...yes it is his fault but it is Pritchard's fault for not figuring that out beforehand.


Pritchard has a close relationship with Nurse, and I'm sure Nurse sold Nate well. He also aced the interviews, apparently.
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Post#111 » by mtcan » Thu May 6, 2021 7:22 pm

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EH15 wrote:I'll play devil's advocate. I think these hit pieces are just from the Pacers to soften the blowback of an inevitable firing of a head coach after one season. Is there smoke there? Sure. But some of this stuff is exaggerated to make him look worse. He might be a bad fit.

I'm not sure if that Bleacher Report reflects worse on Bjorkgren or rather the Pacers front office. It sounds like front office incompetence in not vetting the candidate thoroughly. If Bjorkgren is an ****...yes it is his fault but it is Pritchard's fault for not figuring that out beforehand.


Pritchard has a close relationship with Nurse, and I'm sure Nurse sold him good. He also aced the interviews, apparently.

From the article...I get that Pritchard et al. were more enamoured by the connection to Nick Nurse and didn't do enough to evaluate his personality. Any job interview usually requires at least 3 references. Who else did they speak to about Nate's background other than Nick?
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Post#112 » by Marty_Budda » Thu May 6, 2021 7:27 pm

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EH15 wrote:
Marty_Budda wrote:
While reading this, all I could think about was how elite our FO is. Nothing like this ever came out about Nate. All everyone had to say were good things etc. And I doubt he’s changed his personality much since becoming pacers head coach. Maybe Masai or nurse knew how to keep him in check? Who knows.

Kinda crazy that warren asked for a trade as soon as it was announced he’d be coach lol.

I'll play devil's advocate. I think these hit pieces are just from the Pacers to soften the blowback of an inevitable firing of a head coach after one season. Is there smoke there? Sure. But some of this stuff is exaggerated to make him look worse. He might be a bad fit.

I'm not sure if that Bleacher Report reflects worse on Bjorkgren or rather the Pacers front office. It sounds like front office incompetence in not vetting the candidate thoroughly. If Bjorkgren is an ****...yes it is his fault but it is Pritchard's fault for not figuring that out beforehand.


Everyone’s at fault really. The FO for not conducting the recruitment process properly, the pacers staff blabbing their mouth to BR. And to Nate for allowing your colleagues to look at you in this way. Where there’s smoke there’s fire, I’m sure he’s been unpleasant to be around more than one time for all this to come out.
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Post#113 » by bballwatcher23 » Thu May 6, 2021 7:28 pm

Marty_Budda wrote:
scuervo1 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942713-inside-the-turbulent-tenure-of-indiana-pacers-coach-nate-bjorkgren

Every paragraph is worse than the last. It is sad to see Nurse's coaching tree start in this manner. It is like a soap opera.


While reading this, all I could think about was how elite our FO is. Nothing like this ever came out about Nate. All everyone had to say were good things etc. And I doubt he’s changed his personality much since becoming pacers head coach. Maybe Masai or nurse knew how to keep him in check? Who knows.

Kinda crazy that warren asked for a trade as soon as it was announced he’d be coach lol.


Not just that, but it goes to show how there is so much that goes into being an effective head coach. You have to walk a fine line to command the respect of your players. I remember Nurse earlier this season or last season talking about really reaming out his players and saying "you only have like, maybe 5 bullets to use across a season" (referring to those moments really ripping them).

Nate seems to be a bit too much of a micromanager, and an ineffective communicator on the head coach level. Of course people can grow and change. As an assistant, we harnessed his basketball mind and filtered it through the Zen of Nurse. It's really tough getting through to players.

I would love to have Nate back; he's a heck of an assistant, but I hope he can work things out in Indy.
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Re: Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy 

Post#114 » by mtcan » Thu May 6, 2021 7:33 pm

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EH15 wrote:I'll play devil's advocate. I think these hit pieces are just from the Pacers to soften the blowback of an inevitable firing of a head coach after one season. Is there smoke there? Sure. But some of this stuff is exaggerated to make him look worse. He might be a bad fit.

I'm not sure if that Bleacher Report reflects worse on Bjorkgren or rather the Pacers front office. It sounds like front office incompetence in not vetting the candidate thoroughly. If Bjorkgren is an ****...yes it is his fault but it is Pritchard's fault for not figuring that out beforehand.


Everyone’s at fault really. The FO for not conducting the recruitment process properly, the pacers staff blabbing their mouth to BR. And to Nate for allowing your colleagues to look at you in this way. Where there’s smoke there’s fire, I’m sure he’s been unpleasant to be around more than one time for all this to come out.

If Nate could cause so much hate in 1 season...I can only imagine how many people he will have pissed off in 10 years...or however long he has been a coach.
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Post#115 » by OAKLEY_2 » Thu May 6, 2021 7:37 pm

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7 Footer wrote:What an absolute embarrassment. Assistant coach should know better not to beef with players during the game, keep this in the locker room. A real bad look for the entire organization smh



Bad "look" for Greg Foster. I mean a big former player is all over their Euro big during a game and other players come to his defence. Then Foster ends back on the bench with his mask barely fitting him or staying on. Why can the NHL coaches wear n95 masks and double mask and the nba acts like their branded Disney swag outter masks only fit half their people? The NBA could be a more professional outfit but their culture under Silver has not fared well during Covid. I saw an assistant coach in the AHL get fired for what Foster did. That's bullying an employee. Foster should be gone.

Maybe the rookie big shouldn’t be telling the assistant coach to sit the **** down? Foster reacted like anyone who has a backbone would.

Not excusing the careless mask use.


Only seeing a clip embedded into a twitter feed so this is a bit out of context. Generally it is on the leadership to show more restraint than the competitors. This does not mean one or the other is to blame or not but it is a bad look on Foster.
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Post#116 » by VancouverRaps » Thu May 6, 2021 7:54 pm

Handled poorly from both sides, a rookie telling a coach to stfu and sit down is just lol. Then the coach escalating the situation and refusing to back down was almost as bad and made a bad situation that much worse.

I feel like Nate should've told the player to hit the showers early right after he said that, and then told the coach to relax and talk about it after the game behind closed doors(since apparently the coach and player actually usually get along fine according to the tweets I've seen).
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Post#117 » by Danny1616 » Thu May 6, 2021 7:59 pm

mtcan wrote:
Marty_Budda wrote:
mtcan wrote:I'm not sure if that Bleacher Report reflects worse on Bjorkgren or rather the Pacers front office. It sounds like front office incompetence in not vetting the candidate thoroughly. If Bjorkgren is an ****...yes it is his fault but it is Pritchard's fault for not figuring that out beforehand.


Everyone’s at fault really. The FO for not conducting the recruitment process properly, the pacers staff blabbing their mouth to BR. And to Nate for allowing your colleagues to look at you in this way. Where there’s smoke there’s fire, I’m sure he’s been unpleasant to be around more than one time for all this to come out.

If Nate could cause so much hate in 1 season...I can only imagine how many people he will have pissed off in 10 years...or however long he has been a coach.


Who knows what's going on but some guys just aren't meant to be head coaches. They might be incredibly talented in a more specialist role, but a head coach also acts a manager of the entire staff and the decision maker. It's about being able to manage personalities, manage the coaching staff, decide on playing time, substitutions, practices etc. At the end of the day the head coach is the one accountable for everything. The assistant coach just needs to do his role, whatever it may be.

Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is supposedly a very innovative offensive mind, but he was awful as a head coach.
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Post#118 » by DG88 » Thu May 6, 2021 8:21 pm

alpngso wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:
Read on Twitter


Yeah, he gone.


after reading this, sounds like he might be better in college rather than the nba

Also him embarrassing people in public is nothing different from Nurse.

Nurse calls out players all the time too

He does but he does it strategically and not to embarrass them either. He also makes it a point to have open discussions with all his players and staff with the Elephant.
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Post#119 » by NinjaBro » Thu May 6, 2021 9:31 pm

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