OT: Tested positive for Covid 19 yesterday.Has anyone on here experienced covid before?

[the7boss]

I haven’t had it even though I’m a healthcare worker (surgeon) and have been exposed a lot working throughout the pandemic, not first row of action but still. A lot of coworkers had it, most young people which pretty much were asymptomatic but a few were hospitalyzed. Two of them got us really worried, both males in their fifties with decent shape and no major previous illnesses, still one of them lost like 35 lbs and was on the brink of intubation and the other one spent over a month in the ICU. Both recovered, first is already working like nothing happened and the second still recovering.
Vaccinated in February, the second shot had me struggling in OR the next day like never before, literally first time in my life I though I couldn’t do it. Wife and dad also vaccinated, my 6 month baby boy should have my wife’s antibodies for a while. Mom scheduled for next week. Just my 26 yo sister left from my very inner circle without it, she has had a lot of respiratory issues so she has me worried.
But still feeling blessed.

Get better OP, keep us updated.

[tria]

In my early 30s. I tested positive end of march after first some sore throat, then after few days some tiredness, some headache. Both are nothing new for me, but after 3 days it felt a bit weird and i went for a test because of work and friends having family members that are very vulnerable and out of curiosity how testing system works and just to be sure for once, not to wonder if i had it or not. Normally i would put it down as a another cold and moved on.
In quarantine i felt tired all the time, but again, normal for me, mild headache stopped even evening before i took the test, cough like 2 times a day. So nothing drastic on my side. No loss of smell etc. And i'm not really a model of a healthy person with very irregular sleeping patterns, weird eating habits, not much movement or fitness in last months. Or years even apart from 3 months energy spike... But well, i don't have any medical history apart from some weird bacterial infection a year back.

[JonFromVA]

This is maybe the "best" article I've seen regarding the protection level the infection provides:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.13.21249642v1

To summarize: The Department of Health and Social Care and Public Health England conducted a study w/ about 21 000 healthcare workers who have been tested regularly between 2020 June and Nov. They found that previous covid infection provided a 83% efficacy against reinfection (within this 6 month period).

So it means that infection won't provide immunity, but provides a high level of protection for at least those 6 months. After that, who knows.

Health care workers are supposed have access to and be using the best available PPE, that 17% of them got reinfected is insanity.

Sort of like saying spinning the barrel of the revolver provides a high level of protection from Russian Roulette.

No, I think you misinterpret the results.

There were 6614 people who was infected once. Among them 44 got reinfected, which is around 0.66%. Infections in the previously non-infected group were 318 among 14 173 people, which is around 2.2%.

Thanks for the clarification, but I'm still very concerned that health care workers who should have access to PPE and know how to best use it, and should understand safety protocols outside of work are getting infected at all.

Beyond that simple conclusion, there's a whole lot of independent variables.

Are people who once had Covid likely to follow protocols better? or worse?
Were people in this group exposed to the new strains? Seems likely.
What about false positives? As I understand it some people will continue to test positive for Covid long after recovering from it.

And how would this all relate to the general public who may not even be using PPE if they believe they are "immune"?

Public health officials worry about stuff like not flooding our hospitals with patients. I'd like to be able to transition back to something close to normal life and trust I will not catch Covid.

[Outside]

I got vaccinated. Had the Pfizer shot. Simple and easy. After the first shot I had no side effects. Second shot I had body aches all night and through the next day. But nothing some Advil didn’t handle. My friends husband is a cop. In good shape with no medical issues, got covid recently. He’s been hospitalized for over a week now. Pneumonia and low blood oxygen levels. He’s 47 years old and hopefully he will recover soon. But he is an anti vaxer. And didn’t believe covid was worse than the flu. Now he does.

I wish everyone would get vaccinated so we can get pass this pandemic. I don't really understand why people are against it.

I really don't understand this logic to be honest. Can someone explain it to me? Tell me where I'm wrong.

If I don't get the vaccine here is what can happen. A) I get covid and live B) I get Covid and die

Those are the 2 options. Now if Ninjamilk23 gets the vaccine and I don't here is what can happen.

A) I get covid and live B) I get covid and die.

There are no options in either of those where ninjamilk23 gets covid and dies if I don't get the vaccine. So why in the hell does it matter if I'm willing to risk my own life? Why does ninjamilk23 care so much if I get covid? Someone help me understand this better.

It matters to you, and it matters beyond you.

In order to get back to "normal," we need to limit community spread to the point that it's no longer in danger of creating another wave if we end all restrictions. If you and millions of others won't get vaccinated, that's millions of opportunities for COVID to spread and create yet another wave. Maybe you don't think you have much to worry about from COVID, but if you are part of the chain that sustains the spread, then you are helping COVID spread and preventing all of us, including you, from getting back to normal.

Another aspect of that is that if you are part of the chain perpetuating spread, you are putting others at risk. The vast majority of young, healthy adults won't get a severe case of COVID, but a small percentage will get a severe case, and a severe case of COVID is far worse than a severe case of the flu or other respiratory illness. Even in this thread, there are stories of healthy individuals who got really sick and had to be hospitalized or even died.

There are those who cannot take the vaccine for a variety of reasons, are immunocompromised, or are otherwise vulnerable. Even a percentage of those who are vaccinated can get COVID anyway. You and others allowing COVID to continue spreading means putting those people at much greater risk.

Another aspect is that there are more outcomes than recovery or death. There is a thing called COVID long-haulers, people who suffer significant health impacts for a long time after supposedly recovering from the acute phase. In some ways, COVID is more of a vascular disease than a respiratory one, potentially causing blood clots throughout the body that impact organ function and overall health. There appears to be a neurological component.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, COVID can also be asymptomatic. If you're not vaccinated, you can have it without knowing it and unknowingly spread it wherever you go.

Also, getting COVID isn't a guarantee that you won't get it again. Research shows that the protection you get from antibodies after having COVID doesn't last more than a few months and that the vaccines provide much longer protection.

Then there's variants. As COVID is allowed to spread longer and through a greater number of people, it mutates and creates variants, and those variants can have more dangerous effects or be resistant to the current vaccines.

Getting vaccinated means doing your part to control the spread. From a selfish standpoint, getting vaccinated is the quickest way to get back to normal. Gathering in bars, going to movies, attending games and concerts, playing pickup games and rec league games indoors, working out at the gym, and doing it all without masks -- you want to do all that as soon as possible? Then get vaccinated and encourage other vaccine-hesitant people in your circle to do the same.

[NY 567]

We could go back to normal today and be fine. Texas and Florida are doing just fine and they're open. But this whole thing has been completely politicized at this point. We don't need everyone to get the vaccine to open up, but certain political types and big pharma are going to pretend that we do.

[Zvaart]

Will like to thank everyone for answering and showing support. Appreciate it 4real. The chills is gone and the headache is not as bad. Still feel a little fatigue and I lost my sense of smell and taste yesterday.

Sorry to being late to reply

My sister had it, stayed in bed with fever for two weeks, she said it was the worst cold in her life, got a few friends who had it too, all fine now.

Sorry to hear about it, but stay positive, and get well soon.

Also, losing the sense of smell and taste is very common, and it means nothing.

[Pointgod]

I wish everyone would get vaccinated so we can get pass this pandemic. I don't really understand why people are against it.

It’s truly baffling and makes zero sense. The fastest and safest way to get things back to normal.

They are just being sore losers. You have to remember this was never about a virus to them. They rushed to politicize it instantly, they're still doing it and they can't let go of the fact that they have taken an unprecedented amounts of losses in the past year. Their egos are getting battered and this is their equivalent to pulling a pistol to stop the beating. And sore losers is putting it nicely. Petulant fussy babies is more on the nose. Unfortunately this brand of person has always existed and always will, like invasive weeds.

Imagine telling your grand kids and great grand kids about the pandemic of 2020 and how wearing masks and vaccines became a political issue. They will rightly think we’re a bunch of lunatics. History will not be kind to these people

[Doug_12]

Health care workers are supposed have access to and be using the best available PPE, that 17% of them got reinfected is insanity.

Sort of like saying spinning the barrel of the revolver provides a high level of protection from Russian Roulette.

No, I think you misinterpret the results.

There were 6614 people who was infected once. Among them 44 got reinfected, which is around 0.66%. Infections in the previously non-infected group were 318 among 14 173 people, which is around 2.2%.

Thanks for the clarification, but I'm still very concerned that health care workers who should have access to PPE and know how to best use it, and should understand safety protocols outside of work are getting infected at all.

Beyond that simple conclusion, there's a whole lot of independent variables.

Are people who once had Covid likely to follow protocols better? or worse?
Were people in this group exposed to the new strains? Seems likely.
What about false positives? As I understand it some people will continue to test positive for Covid long after recovering from it.

And how would this all relate to the general public who may not even be using PPE if they believe they are "immune"?

Public health officials worry about stuff like not flooding our hospitals with patients. I'd like to be able to transition back to something close to normal life and trust I will not catch Covid.

Yes, that's bad, but we need to keep in mind healthcare workers are exposed to Covid much more than others. Especially in countries like the UK which was heavily hit by the virus.

The study was conducted between 2020 June and Nov, so no - I mean the virus must have mutated to some extent from the Wuhan version, but none of the "famous" strains were present in the UK back then.

Regarding the false positives: Among the 44 people 2 were probable and 42 were possible reinfections. Possible was defined as "participant with two PCR positive samples 90 or more days apart (based on previous national surveillance analysis) with available genomic data or an antibody positive participant with a new positive PCR at least four weeks after the first antibody positive result." Probable meant "possible" plus some data from genomic and/or serological tests which confirmed that this was not the reactivation of the previous infections.

So I think false positives or reactivations could have appeared among the 42 possible cases, but almost certainly not among the 2 probable cases.

Generally I'm more inclined to interpret these results as positive: This means that the infection itself provides higher level protection than the viral vector vaccines (Janssen, AstraZeneca) for the strains being present in the UK back then and for at least 6 months. Moreover as the authors highlighted, had they used the stricter definition of reinfection (including only probable cases), the protection would have been like 99%.

So this means infected people can contribute to herd immunity, which would mean that even though you're not 100% protected from the virus, you would also have a small chance to meet someone who is infected. Right now you don't have this second "safety net" w/ the vaccine, only the first. (This is why it is important to get vaccinated.)

[sllubwoc]

I wish everyone would get vaccinated so we can get pass this pandemic. I don't really understand why people are against it.

I really don't understand this logic to be honest. Can someone explain it to me? Tell me where I'm wrong.

If I don't get the vaccine here is what can happen. A) I get covid and live B) I get Covid and die

Those are the 2 options. Now if Ninjamilk23 gets the vaccine and I don't here is what can happen.

A) I get covid and live B) I get covid and die.

There are no options in either of those where ninjamilk23 gets covid and dies if I don't get the vaccine. So why in the hell does it matter if I'm willing to risk my own life? Why does ninjamilk23 care so much if I get covid? Someone help me understand this better.

It matters to you, and it matters beyond you.

In order to get back to "normal," we need to limit community spread to the point that it's no longer in danger of creating another wave if we end all restrictions. If you and millions of others won't get vaccinated, that's millions of opportunities for COVID to spread and create yet another wave. Maybe you don't think you have much to worry about from COVID, but if you are part of the chain that sustains the spread, then you are helping COVID spread and preventing all of us, including you, from getting back to normal.

Another aspect of that is that if you are part of the chain perpetuating spread, you are putting others at risk. The vast majority of young, healthy adults won't get a severe case of COVID, but a small percentage will get a severe case, and a severe case of COVID is far worse than a severe case of the flu or other respiratory illness. Even in this thread, there are stories of healthy individuals who got really sick and had to be hospitalized or even died.

There are those who cannot take the vaccine for a variety of reasons, are immunocompromised, or are otherwise vulnerable. Even a percentage of those who are vaccinated can get COVID anyway. You and others allowing COVID to continue spreading means putting those people at much greater risk.

Another aspect is that there are more outcomes than recovery or death. There is a thing called COVID long-haulers, people who suffer significant health impacts for a long time after supposedly recovering from the acute phase. In some ways, COVID is more of a vascular disease than a respiratory one, potentially causing blood clots throughout the body that impact organ function and overall health. There appears to be a neurological component.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, COVID can also be asymptomatic. If you're not vaccinated, you can have it without knowing it and unknowingly spread it wherever you go.

Also, getting COVID isn't a guarantee that you won't get it again. Research shows that the protection you get from antibodies after having COVID doesn't last more than a few months and that the vaccines provide much longer protection.

Then there's variants. As COVID is allowed to spread longer and through a greater number of people, it mutates and creates variants, and those variants can have more dangerous effects or be resistant to the current vaccines.

Getting vaccinated means doing your part to control the spread. From a selfish standpoint, getting vaccinated is the quickest way to get back to normal. Gathering in bars, going to movies, attending games and concerts, playing pickup games and rec league games indoors, working out at the gym, and doing it all without masks -- you want to do all that as soon as possible? Then get vaccinated and encourage other vaccine-hesitant people in your circle to do the same.

In all honesty great response. Really well thought out and worded perfect. Saying that, I live in a state that is well how do I put this...we like guns let's just say. Without sounding like I'm being harsh we have been back to normal for quite some time now. Bars & Restaurants have been open for almost a year and most places don't require masks. I thank God every day for living where I do. That is a fact. I am blessed. If I lived in a place that was still locked down and had strict mask rules still in place I'd be preaching your exact post to most people as well or just move. Which unfortunately is what is happening.

The housing market where I live is SKY ROCKETING, good for me but bad for buyers. I see more people with California plates then I'd ever hoped to see. I can understand your view points, I do I promise. I just don't agree with them. Don't take that harshly. I just don't believe that a vaccine that was created 5x faster then any vaccine in the history of the world is something I need to take right now. I had Covid a month ago. It was, without being a dick about it, not bad at all. The loss of taste was by far the worst part of the ordeal. So for me, personally, I'm at an age where I can sit back and wait for the results of the first wave of patients. 5-10 years from now, when they can do way more testing on this "vaccine" they are putting out, sure I might tell my doc to stick me with it.

[DutchManDanFan]

Vaccinations has ended many terrible diseases. Some diseases like polio still linger on because there are people refusing vaccination.
The more people refuse a covid vaccin the longer the disease will linger on. So everybody has a responsibility.

It’s the same with voting. If you don’t vote it doesn’t make a difference in the result. But if many people do the same you might get a result you don’t want. For your neighbourhood, your city, your state, your country, for the world. You are part of it. Don’t do it for your self. Do it for everybody around you.

[righterwriter]

I really don't understand this logic to be honest. Can someone explain it to me? Tell me where I'm wrong.

If I don't get the vaccine here is what can happen. A) I get covid and live B) I get Covid and die

Those are the 2 options. Now if Ninjamilk23 gets the vaccine and I don't here is what can happen.

A) I get covid and live B) I get covid and die.

There are no options in either of those where ninjamilk23 gets covid and dies if I don't get the vaccine. So why in the hell does it matter if I'm willing to risk my own life? Why does ninjamilk23 care so much if I get covid? Someone help me understand this better.

It matters to you, and it matters beyond you.

In order to get back to "normal," we need to limit community spread to the point that it's no longer in danger of creating another wave if we end all restrictions. If you and millions of others won't get vaccinated, that's millions of opportunities for COVID to spread and create yet another wave. Maybe you don't think you have much to worry about from COVID, but if you are part of the chain that sustains the spread, then you are helping COVID spread and preventing all of us, including you, from getting back to normal.

Another aspect of that is that if you are part of the chain perpetuating spread, you are putting others at risk. The vast majority of young, healthy adults won't get a severe case of COVID, but a small percentage will get a severe case, and a severe case of COVID is far worse than a severe case of the flu or other respiratory illness. Even in this thread, there are stories of healthy individuals who got really sick and had to be hospitalized or even died.

There are those who cannot take the vaccine for a variety of reasons, are immunocompromised, or are otherwise vulnerable. Even a percentage of those who are vaccinated can get COVID anyway. You and others allowing COVID to continue spreading means putting those people at much greater risk.

Another aspect is that there are more outcomes than recovery or death. There is a thing called COVID long-haulers, people who suffer significant health impacts for a long time after supposedly recovering from the acute phase. In some ways, COVID is more of a vascular disease than a respiratory one, potentially causing blood clots throughout the body that impact organ function and overall health. There appears to be a neurological component.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, COVID can also be asymptomatic. If you're not vaccinated, you can have it without knowing it and unknowingly spread it wherever you go.

Also, getting COVID isn't a guarantee that you won't get it again. Research shows that the protection you get from antibodies after having COVID doesn't last more than a few months and that the vaccines provide much longer protection.

Then there's variants. As COVID is allowed to spread longer and through a greater number of people, it mutates and creates variants, and those variants can have more dangerous effects or be resistant to the current vaccines.

Getting vaccinated means doing your part to control the spread. From a selfish standpoint, getting vaccinated is the quickest way to get back to normal. Gathering in bars, going to movies, attending games and concerts, playing pickup games and rec league games indoors, working out at the gym, and doing it all without masks -- you want to do all that as soon as possible? Then get vaccinated and encourage other vaccine-hesitant people in your circle to do the same.

In all honesty great response. Really well thought out and worded perfect. Saying that, I live in a state that is well how do I put this...we like guns let's just say. Without sounding like I'm being harsh we have been back to normal for quite some time now. Bars & Restaurants have been open for almost a year and most places don't require masks. I thank God every day for living where I do. That is a fact. I am blessed. If I lived in a place that was still locked down and had strict mask rules still in place I'd be preaching your exact post to most people as well or just move. Which unfortunately is what is happening.

The housing market where I live is SKY ROCKETING, good for me but bad for buyers. I see more people with California plates then I'd ever hoped to see. I can understand your view points, I do I promise. I just don't agree with them. Don't take that harshly. I just don't believe that a vaccine that was created 5x faster then any vaccine in the history of the world is something I need to take right now. I had Covid a month ago. It was, without being a dick about it, not bad at all. The loss of taste was by far the worst part of the ordeal. So for me, personally, I'm at an age where I can sit back and wait for the results of the first wave of patients. 5-10 years from now, when they can do way more testing on this "vaccine" they are putting out, sure I might tell my doc to stick me with it.

The people who say "I'll wait five years until we can see the outcome of this vaccine" are likely basing it on their reading somewhere that vaccines typically take five years to be tested before they are approved for use.

In this situation the development of the vaccine was sped up due to rather amazing technology and the open source sharing of findings by numerous different labs all working on vaccines at the same time.

Additionally, the amount of resources to develop the vaccine were basically unlimited, so you had a much faster development timeline.

So far we've had 1.25 billion vaccination shots given, all showing similar mild side effects. The first ever vaccination test was done in April 2020, so we've had a year worth of data of people who were vaccinated, and there have been no long term side effects.

I understand the fear of taking a vaccine that was developed quickly, but rather than let it deter you, maybe think of it in terms of how amazing a feat it is thanks to our high level of scientific knowledge, unselfish cooperation amongst international labs, and the tremendous amount of financial support they received.

We now have a vaccine to end the pandemic. Save someone's grandparents, save the economy, save your enjoyment of going and doing the things you love to do, and just trust the science.

[Pointgod]

Vaccinations has ended many terrible diseases. Some diseases like polio still linger on because there are people refusing vaccination.
The more people refuse a covid vaccin the longer the disease will linger on. So everybody has a responsibility.

It’s the same with voting. If you don’t vote it doesn’t make a difference in the result. But if many people do the same you might get a result you don’t want. For your neighbourhood, your city, your state, your country, for the world. You are part of it. Don’t do it for your self. Do it for everybody around you.

I’m guessing you aren’t from North America.

[Goose egg]

We now have a vaccine to end the pandemic. Save someone's grandparents, save the economy, save your enjoyment of going and doing the things you love to do, and just trust the science.

Just trust the science is the lamest most unscientific thing I’ve ever heard. Science is to be challenged and deeply at that. Science itself is merely describing the observable with all currently known variables. So right off the bat I never trust anyone telling me to just trust the science.

Anyway I don’t believe in saving someone else’s grandparent and I don’t need daddy government telling me it’s okay to go out and do anything. I believe that when we die that’s it no more new understandings, connections, emotion: that’s what our time on earth is for then it’s back to the cosmic soup bowl. Every life is it’s own individual journey and true freedom means being allowed to make your own decisions. Putting the onus on the citizens to receive medical treatment to “get back to normal” sets a horrendously dangerous precedent. Of course lockdowns and mask mandates have already created some of those. And I’m not a fan of the pressure I see telling people to ignore how fast it came out and marvel in the brilliance of science. Let people make their own decisions. There is obviously an inherent risk in vaccines and mRNA technology. In fact, John Hopkins, during its 2025-2027 SPARS simulation analysis written in 2017, used the idea that in this scenario, a prior fictional vaccine for coronavirus, Corovax, had come out a few years beforehand (around the timeframe we are currently in) and years down the road began causing neurological issues and mental retardation in children. This became a factor for trying to encourage new vaccination attempts for the SPARS virus. You can read the entire thing here: https://jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf

If John Hopkins top scientists and doctors thought that a vaccine with neurological effects that don’t present themselves until after months have passed was a possibility in 2017 when dealing with a coronavirus, I don’t know what changed three years later where that is no longer a concern whatsoever.

[planetmars]

I find it hilarious that someone refuses to get a vaccine but has no problem pounding back a Big Mac at McDonalds.

I'm getting my first shot today. Been waiting a while so looking forward to it.

[righterwriter]

We now have a vaccine to end the pandemic. Save someone's grandparents, save the economy, save your enjoyment of going and doing the things you love to do, and just trust the science.

Just trust the science is the lamest most unscientific thing I’ve ever heard. Science is to be challenged and deeply at that. Science itself is merely describing the observable with all currently known variables. So right off the bat I never trust anyone telling me to just trust the science.

Anyway I don’t believe in saving someone else’s grandparent and I don’t need daddy government telling me it’s okay to go out and do anything. I believe that when we die that’s it no more new understandings, connections, emotion: that’s what our time on earth is for then it’s back to the cosmic soup bowl. Every life is it’s own individual journey and true freedom means being allowed to make your own decisions. Putting the onus on the citizens to receive medical treatment to “get back to normal” sets a horrendously dangerous precedent. Of course lockdowns and mask mandates have already created some of those. And I’m not a fan of the pressure I see telling people to ignore how fast it came out and marvel in the brilliance of science. Let people make their own decisions. There is obviously an inherent risk in vaccines and mRNA technology. In fact, John Hopkins, during its 2025-2027 SPARS simulation analysis written in 2017, used the idea that in this scenario, a prior fictional vaccine for coronavirus, Corovax, had come out a few years beforehand (around the timeframe we are currently in) and years down the road began causing neurological issues and mental retardation in children. This became a factor for trying to encourage new vaccination attempts for the SPARS virus. You can read the entire thing here: https://jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf

If John Hopkins top scientists and doctors thought that a vaccine with neurological effects that don’t present themselves until after months have passed was a possibility in 2017 when dealing with a coronavirus, I don’t know what changed three years later where that is no longer a concern whatsoever.

I didn't think I needed to state that "trust the science" didn't mean trust it without any sort of questioning or research. Of course I listed numerous reasons why it should be trusted. If you have counterpoints against those reasons, then share them. Otherwise why would your opinion hold merit on the matter?

If you don't want to save other people's lives it makes you sound like a sociopath. A person with the most basic amount of empathy would realize "hey, someone else's family member could just as easily be my family member."

The state isn't forcing anyone to do anything. If you feel any pressure that's likely you breaking the social contract.

In the paper you linked about outcomes from a large pandemic, perhaps you forgot to read the disclaimer at the start of the article:

The infectious pathogen, medical countermeasures, characters, news media excerpts, social media
posts, and government agency responses described herein are entirely fictional.


If you are interested to discover this greater level of understanding when you die, why not just go for it now and spare other people dying because of you? That's not an insult, it's a real point based on your logic and reasoning.

[Goose egg]

If you are interested to discover this greater level of understanding when you die, why not just go for it now and spare other people dying because of you? That's not an insult, it's a real point based on your logic and reasoning.

I don’t think there’s any greater understanding, once you’re dead, you’re dead. That’s it. My whole point is taking experimental medicine “for society” is stupid. If you’re taking it, do it for you and for the fact that you feel safer taking it. But “saving the economy, grandparents, society, etc” all takes a backseat to your freedoms and rights as a human being (namely to refuse any medical treatment as outlined by the Nuremberg codes). You get one life on earth and that’s it. Call it selfish all you want, I’ve seen more businesses destroyed and rights taken away in the name of “selflessness” the last year than ever in my life anyway. Also as far as the state forcing us, they will soon with passports. I don’t know how people don’t think this will be coming.

[PT416]

You got this bro.

[Calamity_Cometh]

Vaccines are for the benefit of society. Which every last single one of you who can see this is a part of. Reducing vectors for the pathogen to infect and thus spread is the reason why you are obligated to get the shot.

You don't like that? Fine, don't get it. But don't expect any other members of this society to agree with you. The arguments against getting vaccinated just blow my mind how ridiculous they are. My favorite one is how rushed they say it is, like these people do not consume literally thousands of chemicals every day that haven't had the extensive rigorous scientific research and studies that is being poured into these vaccines.

From deodorant to air fresheners to lawn care products and pesticides. The detergent on your shirt, the insulation in your walls. The microplastics in your milk containers. The carcinogens released from cooking your meat. All of these and millions more can and do contribute to shortening your lifespan as much if not more than a goddamned vaccination.

[JonFromVA]

We now have a vaccine to end the pandemic. Save someone's grandparents, save the economy, save your enjoyment of going and doing the things you love to do, and just trust the science.

Just trust the science is the lamest most unscientific thing I’ve ever heard. Science is to be challenged and deeply at that. Science itself is merely describing the observable with all currently known variables. So right off the bat I never trust anyone telling me to just trust the science.

Anyway I don’t believe in saving someone else’s grandparent and I don’t need daddy government telling me it’s okay to go out and do anything. I believe that when we die that’s it no more new understandings, connections, emotion: that’s what our time on earth is for then it’s back to the cosmic soup bowl. Every life is it’s own individual journey and true freedom means being allowed to make your own decisions. Putting the onus on the citizens to receive medical treatment to “get back to normal” sets a horrendously dangerous precedent. Of course lockdowns and mask mandates have already created some of those. And I’m not a fan of the pressure I see telling people to ignore how fast it came out and marvel in the brilliance of science. Let people make their own decisions. There is obviously an inherent risk in vaccines and mRNA technology. In fact, John Hopkins, during its 2025-2027 SPARS simulation analysis written in 2017, used the idea that in this scenario, a prior fictional vaccine for coronavirus, Corovax, had come out a few years beforehand (around the timeframe we are currently in) and years down the road began causing neurological issues and mental retardation in children. This became a factor for trying to encourage new vaccination attempts for the SPARS virus. You can read the entire thing here: https://jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf

If John Hopkins top scientists and doctors thought that a vaccine with neurological effects that don’t present themselves until after months have passed was a possibility in 2017 when dealing with a coronavirus, I don’t know what changed three years later where that is no longer a concern whatsoever.

What about the long-term risks associated with catching Covid? It wasn't hard for me at all to prioritize those over the risks from getting the vaccine; but perhaps you've already caught and recovered from Covid?

If that's the case, there are still the risks of catching it again ...

[Goose egg]

We now have a vaccine to end the pandemic. Save someone's grandparents, save the economy, save your enjoyment of going and doing the things you love to do, and just trust the science.

Just trust the science is the lamest most unscientific thing I’ve ever heard. Science is to be challenged and deeply at that. Science itself is merely describing the observable with all currently known variables. So right off the bat I never trust anyone telling me to just trust the science.

Anyway I don’t believe in saving someone else’s grandparent and I don’t need daddy government telling me it’s okay to go out and do anything. I believe that when we die that’s it no more new understandings, connections, emotion: that’s what our time on earth is for then it’s back to the cosmic soup bowl. Every life is it’s own individual journey and true freedom means being allowed to make your own decisions. Putting the onus on the citizens to receive medical treatment to “get back to normal” sets a horrendously dangerous precedent. Of course lockdowns and mask mandates have already created some of those. And I’m not a fan of the pressure I see telling people to ignore how fast it came out and marvel in the brilliance of science. Let people make their own decisions. There is obviously an inherent risk in vaccines and mRNA technology. In fact, John Hopkins, during its 2025-2027 SPARS simulation analysis written in 2017, used the idea that in this scenario, a prior fictional vaccine for coronavirus, Corovax, had come out a few years beforehand (around the timeframe we are currently in) and years down the road began causing neurological issues and mental retardation in children. This became a factor for trying to encourage new vaccination attempts for the SPARS virus. You can read the entire thing here: https://jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf

If John Hopkins top scientists and doctors thought that a vaccine with neurological effects that don’t present themselves until after months have passed was a possibility in 2017 when dealing with a coronavirus, I don’t know what changed three years later where that is no longer a concern whatsoever.

What about the long-term risks associated with catching Covid? It wasn't hard for me at all to prioritize those over the risks from getting the vaccine; but perhaps you've already caught and recovered from Covid?

If that's the case, there are still the risks of catching it again ...

i think my whole point about freedom is if you think the term risks of a covid infection are worth any risks of the vaccine, then you should be allowed to get whatever treatment you want, such as the vaccine. as for me personally, i dont really care about any risks of covid. it barely poses a threat to people my age and i dont live a lifestyle that would give me any real risk of catching it and spreading it. if ive had covid this past year, i never knew about it. i probably had the sniffles a time or two but i never took a covid test or anything. so i just dont think its worth it when my gut says the chance that something goes awry with these treatments/vaccines is not quite as low as theyre claiming. but thats just me personally. a guy posted in the current affairs thread that hes had 3 people close to him all pass from covid. itd probably make more sense why hes getting the vaccine. but i think its somewhat telling when 30% of frontline workers are refusing the vaccine.