Woj: Bjorkgren could be on the outs with Indy

[EH15]

While reading this, all I could think about was how elite our FO is. Nothing like this ever came out about Nate. All everyone had to say were good things etc. And I doubt he’s changed his personality much since becoming pacers head coach. Maybe Masai or nurse knew how to keep him in check? Who knows.

Kinda crazy that warren asked for a trade as soon as it was announced he’d be coach lol.

I'll play devil's advocate. I think these hit pieces are just from the Pacers to soften the blowback of an inevitable firing of a head coach after one season. Is there smoke there? Sure. But some of this stuff is exaggerated to make him look worse. He might be a bad fit.

I think this is accurate. I had some connections with the NBA last year (through Bill Duffy’s sports agency...I won’t say much more) and I heard that some Indians players didn’t trust Pacers front office staff because they leaked negative things about players they didn’t like to beat writers. So while there’s likely to be some truth here it’s also probably somewhat exaggerated.

Even Warren refuted. He had the same injury in PHX and missed the entire season as well. Attributing his absence this season to his dislike of their HC is just slimy.

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Turner is under Duffy right. Yeah I'm not surprised by any of this. Turner has been in every trade rumor for the past 2-3 seasons. Then you had the PG and Dipo situations. There's a common denominator here.

[tanuki1031]

[Fischer] T.J. Warren—who played under Bjorkgren in Phoenix—according to sources. When news of Bjorkgren's hire became public, Warren requested a trade from the Pacers, according to sources.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942713-inside-the-turbulent-tenure-of-indiana-pacers-coach-nate-bjorkgren

Bjorkgren is just an awful as HC. He ruined Pacers and I wonder why did they fire McMillan.

Sounds like he needs to go to a veteran team like Boston.

"Nate is trying to coach a team that he doesn't have," said one Pacers staffer. "He's trying to fit the system to the players and not the other way around."

Or bring him home! The Raptors did have the #2 record in the league last season. Give him new players in Flynn, Harris, Trent, Yuta, Birch and Gillespie to work with and BAM!!!!

And sounds like Nurse would be happy to take him back. Would be interesting to know how the players would really feel if it happened. Or if they'd be consulted first.

Fred already vouched for Nate a day ago unprompted.

Suns gave up a pick to jettison themselves of Warren. The dude's a chucker who plays no D and sucks at passing.
Let's not treat him as the voice of good personnel or basketball decisions here

[Indeed]

Players throughout the roster have voiced their dissatisfaction with Bjorkgren and their general unhappiness amid a down season, including key star players in Domantas Sabonis and Malcolm Brogdon, sources said. Those sources say Bjorkgren has implemented an analytics style of coaching that players privately do not find suitable for the roster, and that there have been issues among the coaching staff at times. Bjorkgren has worked to address matters internally, and one source described him as “over-communicative” to make sure he is sharing and receiving messages from the roster.

https://theathletic.com/2567482/

[OAKLEY_2]

Seems at least two of the coaching staff have issues with some of the Pacers. Like already said Warren was a giveaway which shocked me at the time. Dipo had issues long before Last year's coach firing. Feel bad for Sabonis and Brogdan. The team they are on is horrible.

[Raps in 4]

Players throughout the roster have voiced their dissatisfaction with Bjorkgren and their general unhappiness amid a down season, including key star players in Domantas Sabonis and Malcolm Brogdon, sources said. Those sources say Bjorkgren has implemented an analytics style of coaching that players privately do not find suitable for the roster, and that there have been issues among the coaching staff at times. Bjorkgren has worked to address matters internally, and one source described him as “over-communicative” to make sure he is sharing and receiving messages from the roster.

https://theathletic.com/2567482/

Sounds like a low IQ team.

[Mikistan]

Players throughout the roster have voiced their dissatisfaction with Bjorkgren and their general unhappiness amid a down season, including key star players in Domantas Sabonis and Malcolm Brogdon, sources said. Those sources say Bjorkgren has implemented an analytics style of coaching that players privately do not find suitable for the roster, and that there have been issues among the coaching staff at times. Bjorkgren has worked to address matters internally, and one source described him as “over-communicative” to make sure he is sharing and receiving messages from the roster.

https://theathletic.com/2567482/

Sounds like a low IQ team.

What does over-communicative even mean

[Indeed]

https://theathletic.com/2567482/

Sounds like a low IQ team.

What does over-communicative even mean

I believe telling how the players should play in their way.
I think the coaching staffs are keeps telling the players on their vision / system on how the players should play, but they may not play that way or have the ability to play it that way.

[Hit Em Up]

Can someone tell me the Raptor parts?

[WaltFrazier]

If Fred already vouched for him, seems like it would work just fine for him to come back as an assistant, which we need to replace Finch.

Our team is so cohesive and mature, it's hard to believe he had any negative effect when on Raptors staff.

[scuervo1]

Can someone tell me the Raptor parts?

That behavior seems to have continued in Toronto. One league source compared the dynamic to Bjorkgren acting like a politician's chief of staff, at points preventing other coaches and Toronto's players from holding conversations with Nurse that did not go through Bjorkgren first.

"He would do things like police the communication about the team schedule on a road trip and when other people got a hold of it, so he was in control," said the person with knowledge of the situation.

"It's one thing if the head coach designates his lead assistant as a person to delegate communication, as a means to organize your business. It's another when that person seems to be doing it without the head coach's direction," said the aforementioned assistant general manager.

[HiJiNX]

I'll play devil's advocate. I think these hit pieces are just from the Pacers to soften the blowback of an inevitable firing of a head coach after one season. Is there smoke there? Sure. But some of this stuff is exaggerated to make him look worse. He might be a bad fit.

I think this is accurate. I had some connections with the NBA last year (through Bill Duffy’s sports agency...I won’t say much more) and I heard that some Indians players didn’t trust Pacers front office staff because they leaked negative things about players they didn’t like to beat writers. So while there’s likely to be some truth here it’s also probably somewhat exaggerated.

Even Warren refuted. He had the same injury in PHX and missed the entire season as well. Attributing his absence this season to his dislike of their HC is just slimy.

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Turner is under Duffy right. Yeah I'm not surprised by any of this. Turner has been in every trade rumor for the past 2-3 seasons. Then you had the PG and Dipo situations. There's a common denominator here.

Yeah Turner and one of the Holiday brothers. Anyway, there’s a lot of distrust in that organization. Their front office sounds a little shady and two-faced from the stuff I heard. So Nate is probably struggling to command the locker room but I doubt the players are ready for some mutiny or anything. Most likely the front office regrets their hire and want a re-do so they’re creating drama to justify the impending firing. That’s a dick move tbh.

[tecumseh18]

I think this is accurate. I had some connections with the NBA last year (through Bill Duffy’s sports agency...I won’t say much more) and I heard that some Indians players didn’t trust Pacers front office staff because they leaked negative things about players they didn’t like to beat writers. So while there’s likely to be some truth here it’s also probably somewhat exaggerated.

Even Warren refuted. He had the same injury in PHX and missed the entire season as well. Attributing his absence this season to his dislike of their HC is just slimy.

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Turner is under Duffy right. Yeah I'm not surprised by any of this. Turner has been in every trade rumor for the past 2-3 seasons. Then you had the PG and Dipo situations. There's a common denominator here.

Yeah Turner and one of the Holiday brothers. Anyway, there’s a lot of distrust in that organization. Their front office sounds a little shady and two-faced from the stuff I heard. So Nate is probably struggling to command the locker room but I doubt the players are ready for some mutiny or anything. Most likely the front office regrets their hire and want a re-do so they’re creating drama to justify the impending firing. That’s a dick move tbh.

Not sure if trading for Turner AND bringing back Nate is on the cards for the Raps next season.

But how can the Pacers hope to attract on-court and off-court talent to their small market franchise if they run it this way?

[maternal85]

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What the ****? Nobody ever had a single problem with Nate here. Like not even once.

I have a feeling some players aren't being very coachable.

We have an alpha Dog named Ujiri. You stay in your place under his watch.

[Psubs]

Nate McMillan should've never been fired with gimpy Oladipo.

FO just wanted to go more analytical and modern like the Raptors but didn't have the lank defenders or 3 and D players needed.

[WuTang_CMB]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/262502/Malcolm-Brogdon-Domantas-Sabonis-Reportedly-Want-Nate-Bjorkgren-Fired

[ItsDanger]

If your best players do not support the coach, its not a tenable situation. HOWEVER, Masai has to look into Myles Turner hard in next few weeks. Take advantage of this situation.

[ItsDanger]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/262502/Malcolm-Brogdon-Domantas-Sabonis-Reportedly-Want-Nate-Bjorkgren-Fired

The link now reads "Pacers Concerned About Mental State Of Nate Bjorkgren." LMAO, RealGM forgot to cover their tracks.

[visionquest]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/262502/Malcolm-Brogdon-Domantas-Sabonis-Reportedly-Want-Nate-Bjorkgren-Fired

Okay this is too much. They are making it like Nate is on suicide watch.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

This stuff happens on bad teams all the time. Most of the fans here wouldn't recognize it since we're far enough removed, but this is what organizational disfunction looks like.

Everybody has an agenda, not everybody buys in.

[Johnny Bball]

I'll play devil's advocate. I think these hit pieces are just from the Pacers to soften the blowback of an inevitable firing of a head coach after one season. Is there smoke there? Sure. But some of this stuff is exaggerated to make him look worse. He might be a bad fit.

I think this is accurate. I had some connections with the NBA last year (through Bill Duffy’s sports agency...I won’t say much more) and I heard that some Indians players didn’t trust Pacers front office staff because they leaked negative things about players they didn’t like to beat writers. So while there’s likely to be some truth here it’s also probably somewhat exaggerated.

Even Warren refuted. He had the same injury in PHX and missed the entire season as well. Attributing his absence this season to his dislike of their HC is just slimy.

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Turner is under Duffy right. Yeah I'm not surprised by any of this. Turner has been in every trade rumor for the past 2-3 seasons. Then you had the PG and Dipo situations. There's a common denominator here.

Warren played for Nate in the G-league, when Warren turned his career around. Doesn't make sense from the start.