If Portland blows it up...

d-train · Post #21 » by **d-train** » Mon May 3, 2021 9:34 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I would prefer to retain Powell over Love every time, even more now that Love is totally cooked.

I'm not sure Love is cooked. I think he might be good in the Melo role. I sure don't want him to replace one of our top 3 players.

Post #22 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Mon May 3, 2021 9:39 pm

d-train wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I would prefer to retain Powell over Love every time, even more now that Love is totally cooked.

I'm not sure Love is cooked. I think he might be good in the Melo role. I sure don't want him to replace one of our top 3 players.

It's a manner of semantics, as someone who has always hated Love I would LOVE to have him off the bench on a minimum contract. In other words, I would call Melo cooked too

d-train · Post #23 » by **d-train** » Mon May 3, 2021 9:52 pm

Melo and Love are worth more than VM. They are as good or better than many players that get full non-tax MLE. Now that Melo has proven his willingness to come off the bench, I wonder if his offers are going to improve. Maybe his offers will be too good to accept a role with Blazers.

JasonStern · Post #24 » by **JasonStern** » Tue May 4, 2021 5:54 pm

Only chance Love comes to Portland is if he's bought out or after his current contract expires. Could be a nice addition 2 seasons from now in the Melo role once Melo retires.

PDXKnight · Post #25 » by **PDXKnight** » Tue May 4, 2021 6:54 pm

Spoiler:

JasonStern wrote:Only chance Love comes to Portland is if he's bought out or after his current contract expires. Could be a nice addition 2 seasons from now in the Melo role once Melo retires.

if he’s not washed up yes. But he can barely stay healthy now. On a cheap fa contract sure yeah i’d take a shot at him

Soulyss · Post #26 » by **Soulyss** » Tue May 4, 2021 7:08 pm

d-train wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I would prefer to retain Powell over Love every time, even more now that Love is totally cooked.

I'm not sure Love is cooked. I think he might be good in the Melo role. I sure don't want him to replace one of our top 3 players.

Love would make a ton of sense at the right price.. His shooting and passing would fit in well with the Blazers. You would use him as a small-ball C alongside a Little & Covington in the 2nd unit.

His defense isn't great, but motivated I suspect he's more of a neutral defender. He was better than you think if you look at his stats before Cleveland went into the tank.

d-train · Post #27 » by **d-train** » Tue May 4, 2021 7:23 pm

Soulyss wrote:
d-train wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I would prefer to retain Powell over Love every time, even more now that Love is totally cooked.

I'm not sure Love is cooked. I think he might be good in the Melo role. I sure don't want him to replace one of our top 3 players.

Love would make a ton of sense at the right price.. His shooting and passing would fit in well with the Blazers. You would use him as a small-ball C alongside a Little & Covington in the 2nd unit.

His defense isn't great, but motivated I suspect he's more of a neutral defender. He was better than you think if you look at his stats before Cleveland went into the tank.

Yeah, Love is a tremendously skilled player, maybe moreso than Melo. We could certainly use his passing. Love is a great outlet passer. We haven't had a big since Rasheed and Sabonis that could make great outlet passes.

GEE · Post #28 » by **GEE** » Fri May 7, 2021 6:10 am

Much like I was really liking the idea of LA returning to Portland, Love also peaked a similar interest to me... But that was at least two years ago, and both players declined sharply since then. If Love wanted to play for Portland, it could have happened years ago, but IMO, he seemed perfectly happy with just getting a monster payday, while playing for a non-winner in Cleveland.

The Love boat sailed years ago IMO.

BlazersBroncos · Post #29 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri May 7, 2021 2:28 pm

Much like I was really liking the idea of LA returning to Portland, Love also peaked a similar interest to me... But that was at least two years ago, and both players declined sharply since then. If Love wanted to play for Portland, it could have happened years ago, but IMO, he seemed perfectly happy with just getting a monster payday, while playing for a non-winner in Cleveland.

The Love boat sailed years ago IMO.

Dont really understand this one. He is going to get bought out IMO, he is displaying an interest in signing with Portland. He would probably cost the MLE. Its a great chance to snag a player at a MLE level price who, when healthy, is a much better player than that.

I would hate to lose Kanter, but Love compliments Nurkic much better and is simply a much more skilled player. You could get Love 20mpg at the backup C and a few at PF, trying to aim for 24-26mpg.

d-train · Post #30 » by **d-train** » Fri May 7, 2021 6:48 pm

GEE wrote:Much like I was really liking the idea of LA returning to Portland, Love also peaked a similar interest to me... But that was at least two years ago, and both players declined sharply since then. If Love wanted to play for Portland, it could have happened years ago, but IMO, he seemed perfectly happy with just getting a monster payday, while playing for a non-winner in Cleveland.

The Love boat sailed years ago IMO.

Love signed with Cavs 2015 as UFA. The same year LA left Blazers with cap room for 2 max players. Love, if he loved Portland enough, could have picked up the ball LA dropped and brought him and another max player to Portland. Instead, he signed on to ride Lebron's coattails. I get it. It's good to be on LeBron and Kawhi's team. LA and Love chose their surest path to a championship.

Let's keep it honest. Portland is the greatest place now because the better opportunities have run there course. In LA's case, recently the better opportunity was Nets. Love is 2 years away from getting out of Cleveland early. So, Portland might look like a chance to get out sooner. I don't know how Love thinks that could happen, but I have a hunch that Love's interest in Portland is subject to whatever is his best opportunity.

flaco · Post #31 » by **flaco** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 12:32 pm

Celtics fan here. Would you guys consider this deal?

Blazers in: Marcus Smart + Evan Fournier (signed and traded to the Blazers)
Celtics in: CJ McCollum

Let's say Fournier signs a 3-year contract for a total of $66 million (or something along these lines).

BlazersBroncos · Post #32 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 1:21 pm

Celtics fan here. Would you guys consider this deal?

Blazers in: Marcus Smart + Evan Fournier (signed and traded to the Blazers)
Celtics in: CJ McCollum

Let's say Fournier signs a 3-year contract for a total of $66 million (or something along these lines).

I cant swallow paying Evan 22M AV, but on talent I would do this deal.

I am ready to trade CJ for Wiggins at this point. We need a change.

JRoy · Post #33 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 2:57 pm

flaco wrote:Celtics fan here. Would you guys consider this deal?

Blazers in: Marcus Smart + Evan Fournier (signed and traded to the Blazers)
Celtics in: CJ McCollum

Let's say Fournier signs a 3-year contract for a total of $66 million (or something along these lines).

I love Marcus Smart but Fournier is exactly the wrong kind of player to pair with Lillard.

If Fournier could be routed elsewhere for assets I’d do it.

I want CJ gone.

BlazersBroncos · Post #34 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 3:02 pm

CJ for Smart, TT and Grant 'Chubs' Williams works. I would do that.

Lord have mercy on a Kemba / CJ backcourt defensively though.

I would also kill to get Dillon Brooks. I dont care if he is inefficient, the guy plays tremendously hard and has the bulk we need at SF.

CJ for Winslow and Brooks would be fine by me. We take back 25M and throw out 31M, so it helps save the money we may need to resign Norm. Move DJJ to HOU for Avery Bradley to save more money (9M vs 6M).

G - Damian Lillard / Avery Bradley / Anfernee Simons
G - Norman Powell (20M AV) / Anfernee Simons / Dillon Brooks
F - Dillon Brooks / Justice Winslow / Nassir Little
F - Robert Covington / Carmelo Anthony (VM) / Justice Winslow
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Zach Collins (QO) / Enes Kanter (BAE)

d-train · Post #35 » by **d-train** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 3:54 pm

If Olshey blows it up, unlikely of course, we start by not re-signing Powell and trading Lillard. Then we trade CJ, Nurk, and RoCo. The goal isn't to get high priced win now veterans back in exchange for our high priced veterans, that would be stupid. We would be looking for future assets to pair with years of lottery picks.

flaco · Post #36 » by **flaco** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 4:00 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:CJ for Smart, TT and Grant 'Chubs' Williams works. I would do that.

I'd do that deal for the Celtics. Not sure whether the owners would give the go-ahead, cause the luxury tax would explode through the roof (assuming we add McCollum and re-sign Fournier).

BlazersBroncos wrote:Lord have mercy on a Kemba / CJ backcourt defensively though.

Hopefully, we'll dump Kemba in a different deal for 2-3 smaller pieces. Easier said than done, but we'll certainly give it a try. There are already reports that we're looking to trade him.

d-train · Post #37 » by **d-train** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 5:27 pm

flaco wrote:Celtics fan here. Would you guys consider this deal?

Blazers in: Marcus Smart + Evan Fournier (signed and traded to the Blazers)
Celtics in: CJ McCollum

Let's say Fournier signs a 3-year contract for a total of $66 million (or something along these lines).

We would take Smart but not Fournier. Lillard, CJ, Nurk, Powell, RoCo, and Collins are off the table in a trade for Smart. That leaves DJJ, if he opts in, and maybe something else.

If the player you were dreaming of getting is off the table, too bad. That's why most trades don't happen. They die in the dustbin of dumb ideas.

Post #38 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 5:45 pm

Plus if we did a S&T we would be capped at the apron. Not sure exactly but that could make it real difficult to retain the players (especially Powell) that we would need to. Fournier is just not worth that IMO...

d-train · Post #39 » by **d-train** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:27 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Plus if we did a S&T we would be capped at the apron. Not sure exactly but that could make it real difficult to retain the players (especially Powell) that we would need to. Fournier is just not worth that IMO...

Which, likely is also off the table. I doubt the Blazers want to be hard capped. We don't know for certain. Olshey has himself positioned to go in different directions revolving mostly around whether Powell is re-signed.

Post #40 » by **DaVoiceMaster** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:44 pm

d-train wrote:
flaco wrote:Celtics fan here. Would you guys consider this deal?

Blazers in: Marcus Smart + Evan Fournier (signed and traded to the Blazers)
Celtics in: CJ McCollum

Let's say Fournier signs a 3-year contract for a total of $66 million (or something along these lines).

We would take Smart but not Fournier. Lillard, CJ, Nurk, Powell, RoCo, and Collins are off the table in a trade for Smart. That leaves DJJ, if he opts in, and maybe something else.

If the player you were dreaming of getting is off the table, too bad. That's why most trades don't happen. They die in the dustbin of dumb ideas.

It's time to get another table! Lillard and Nurkic are the only untouchables on my table.