Draft Thread Part 2

[Indeed]

I haven't read the thread, but with the way the Raptors have played this season & lost many close games or let the close games slip away in the last 3/4 mins during regulation time, it's evidently clear we badly need a finisher.

we need can go small ball, which is great but we are lacking size in the SG Position, by which we cant play the normal way.

The raptors are going for SG/SF

I think we need a creator / playmaker instead of finisher.
Not that we aren't finishing in close game, but we are more taking bad shots. The SG spot is best to fill a playmaker, replacement of Lowry.

As for the SG/SF, it is a concern, but more with the bench. We may need to upgrade Johnson with a 3&D, unless Watanabe can improve his 3 point shooting. Not seeing any 3&D in FA, and Brissett is gone, drafting one from our 2nd round may make sense:
Trey Murphy III
Kessler Edwards
Terrence Shannon, Jr.
Scottie Lewis
John Petty, Jr.
Herb Jones (small sample size on 3)
Raiquan Gray (small sample size on 3)
Ron Harper Jr.
Chris Smith (undraft?)

Assume this is our off season plan, we may expect a 2nd pick to contribute right away, and an undraft spot is available if we have Harris on the regular contract:
Birch/FA/Gillespie
Siakam/Boucher/2nd
OG/Bembry/Watanabe
Trent/1st/Watson
VanVleet/Flynn/Harris

2-way: 2nd, Undraft

WTF, Yuta is shooting 40% from 3. Do you need him to shoot 42%? He just needs overall experience to polish up each aspect of his game to move up the depth chart. Maybe up to Toni Kukoc level with better 3pt shooting? Raptor fans are spoiled.

Bembry can't shoot 3's for a SG/SF, he will need to move on and let another team use him. He's like a slightly better Alan Anderson. Good bye.

I've been seeing Trent bring up the ball a few occasions with Fred saving some steps. The pick will definitely be able to play SF as OG can also cover SG and PF.

Birch/FA/Gillespie
Siakam/Boucher/2nd
OG/Watanabe/1st
Trent/Watson/Harris/1st
VanVleet/Flynn/Harris

The 1st pick could move up the depth chart fast throughout training camp and pre-season.

Watanabe is only shooting 28.9% from corner 3s with 46.9% being assisted. He will need to be 40% from the corner 3s.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/watanyu01.html#all_shooting-playoffs_shooting

As for Bembry, he has been making the right cuts and scoring easy basket. Most of his shot attempts are at rim (42.9% from 0-3, 31.1% from 3-10), and he is shooting 36.% from the corner 3s (small sample size). Furthermore, he is more used for defensive purpose ahead of Flynn/Harris at the guard spot.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bembrde01.html#all_shooting-playoffs_shooting

Trent is known for his defense? Last game it was Bembry (outside of Johnson -> OG and VanVleet taking those defensive assignments). Meanwhile, I don't see we play Watson and Harris with their defense, I mean even Flynn got blown by against Ish Smith twice. I doubt our defense against the guards would be enough (unless you are expecting us to draft Davion Mitchell).

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Watanabe is only shooting 28.9% from corner 3s with 46.9% being assisted. He will need to be 40% from the corner 3s.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/watanyu01.html#all_shooting-playoffs_shooting

As for Bembry, he has been making the right cuts and scoring easy basket. Most of his shot attempts are at rim (42.9% from 0-3, 31.1% from 3-10), and he is shooting 36.% from the corner 3s (small sample size). Furthermore, he is more used for defensive purpose ahead of Flynn/Harris at the guard spot.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bembrde01.html#all_shooting-playoffs_shooting

Trent is known for his defense? Last game it was Bembry (outside of Johnson -> OG and VanVleet taking those defensive assignments). Meanwhile, I don't see we play Watson and Harris with their defense, I mean even Flynn got blown by against Ish Smith twice. I doubt our defense against the guards would be enough (unless you are expecting us to draft Davion Mitchell).

No need to worry so much. Look at Mitchell in Utah, they are still top 2 with Mitchell out. Just need as many 3pt threats as possible to keep the middle open.

Work Birch in the corners then, and have Watanabe at the top.

Birch/Gillespie/Boucher/2nd
Siakam/Boucher/Watanabe
OG/Watanabe/Kuminga
Trent/FVV/Harris/Watson
FVV/Flynn/Harris

[rapsdotcom]

I haven't read the thread, but with the way the Raptors have played this season & lost many close games or let the close games slip away in the last 3/4 mins during regulation time, it's evidently clear we badly need a finisher.

we need can go small ball, which is great but we are lacking size in the SG Position, by which we cant play the normal way.

The raptors are going for SG/SF

I think we need a creator / playmaker instead of finisher.
Not that we aren't finishing in close game, but we are more taking bad shots. The SG spot is best to fill a playmaker, replacement of Lowry.

As for the SG/SF, it is a concern, but more with the bench. We may need to upgrade Johnson with a 3&D, unless Watanabe can improve his 3 point shooting. Not seeing any 3&D in FA, and Brissett is gone, drafting one from our 2nd round may make sense:
Trey Murphy III
Kessler Edwards
Terrence Shannon, Jr.
Scottie Lewis
John Petty, Jr.
Herb Jones (small sample size on 3)
Raiquan Gray (small sample size on 3)
Ron Harper Jr.
Chris Smith (undraft?)

Assume this is our off season plan, we may expect a 2nd pick to contribute right away, and an undraft spot is available if we have Harris on the regular contract:
Birch/FA/Gillespie
Siakam/Boucher/2nd
OG/Bembry/Watanabe
Trent/1st/Watson
VanVleet/Flynn/Harris

2-way: 2nd, Undraft

WTF, Yuta is shooting 40% from 3. Do you need him to shoot 42%? He just needs overall experience to polish up each aspect of his game to move up the depth chart. Maybe up to Toni Kukoc level with better 3pt shooting? Raptor fans are spoiled.

Bembry can't shoot 3's for a SG/SF, he will need to move on and let another team use him. He's like a slightly better Alan Anderson. Good bye.

I've been seeing Trent bring up the ball a few occasions with Fred saving some steps. The pick will definitely be able to play SF as OG can also cover SG and PF.

Birch/FA/Gillespie
Siakam/Boucher/2nd
OG/Watanabe/1st
Trent/Watson/Harris/1st
VanVleet/Flynn/Harris

The 1st pick could move up the depth chart fast throughout training camp and pre-season.

I love Yuta, but did you really just compare him to Toni Kukoc? I think you may want to go back and check his resume.


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I love Yuta, but did you really just compare him to Toni Kukoc? I think you may want to go back and check his resume.

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Not right now of course! I said if he keeps improving all aspects of his game he could reach Kukoc's level. I'm not talking about international accomplishments. Just being a good 6th man that does everything well.

He was never an allstar, never averaged 20 ppg, and only started 1/3 of his games played. 44.7/33.5/72.9 for 11.6ppg, 3.7 ast, 4.2 reb and A/T of 2.

I mean 2 years ago, we could say that Boucher wouldn't be putting up 20 and 10 regularly and shooting 39% from 3 with his side-spinning catapult shot.

[Reeko]

I think I heard on the podcast with Sam Vecenie that Kuminga's advanced stats in the G league were really poor, I think he posted a negative WS/48. Although I don't know how much you can take from a shortened G League season.

I watched a bunch of those games and I think Brian Shaw just had them keep it simple and didn't really run anything.

It just felt like a pickup game. Jalen Green did well.

So his performance in the GLeague makes it possible for him to drop a few spaces, which is amazing for Toronto!!!

Yeah, we’ve been talking about the top 5 all season but it seems like it’s really a top 3 with Cade, Mobley and Suggs. Green is likely 4th and Kuminga 5th but they are by no means running away with it. If these guys drop it could potentially hurt the G League Ignite as the NCAA still seems to provide more exposure for these players.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I think I heard on the podcast with Sam Vecenie that Kuminga's advanced stats in the G league were really poor, I think he posted a negative WS/48. Although I don't know how much you can take from a shortened G League season.

I watched a bunch of those games and I think Brian Shaw just had them keep it simple and didn't really run anything.

It just felt like a pickup game. Jalen Green did well.

So his performance in the GLeague makes it possible for him to drop a few spaces, which is amazing for Toronto!!!

Yeah, we’ve been talking about the top 5 all season but it seems like it’s really a top 3 with Cade, Mobley and Suggs. Green is likely 4th and Kuminga 5th but they are by no means running away with it. If these guys drop it could potentially hurt the G League Ignite as the NCAA still seems to provide more exposure for these players.

I agree that there’s a clear top-3, but it’s Cade, Mobley and Green for me.

[UcanUwill]

I dont believe in Kuminga at all, I think he is clearest bust in this years draft.

[Reeko]

I watched a bunch of those games and I think Brian Shaw just had them keep it simple and didn't really run anything.

It just felt like a pickup game. Jalen Green did well.

So his performance in the GLeague makes it possible for him to drop a few spaces, which is amazing for Toronto!!!

Yeah, we’ve been talking about the top 5 all season but it seems like it’s really a top 3 with Cade, Mobley and Suggs. Green is likely 4th and Kuminga 5th but they are by no means running away with it. If these guys drop it could potentially hurt the G League Ignite as the NCAA still seems to provide more exposure for these players.

I agree that there’s a clear top-3, but it’s Cade, Mobley and Green for me.

Sure, some ppl prefer Green, others Suggs.

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I watched a bunch of those games and I think Brian Shaw just had them keep it simple and didn't really run anything.

It just felt like a pickup game. Jalen Green did well.

So his performance in the GLeague makes it possible for him to drop a few spaces, which is amazing for Toronto!!!

Yeah, we’ve been talking about the top 5 all season but it seems like it’s really a top 3 with Cade, Mobley and Suggs. Green is likely 4th and Kuminga 5th but they are by no means running away with it. If these guys drop it could potentially hurt the G League Ignite as the NCAA still seems to provide more exposure for these players.

I agree that there’s a clear top-3, but it’s Cade, Mobley and Green for me.

I agree, Suggs is really good but I feel like Gonzaga would've been undefeated (skipping the Baylor matchup again) going into the tournament without Suggs.

I think Suggs is the safer pick.

[TrustFundBaby]

Kuminga is like a year and a half younger than the rest of the top 5, and has elite physical tools. He has franchise player potential

If he's there at #9 you take him no questions asked. That will be our last chance at getting a pick that high with this core.

We don't need a future role player like Mitchell/Barnes/Johnson, we need a STAR.

The other **** teams can pass on Kuminga because those GMs (except for Presti) have their jobs on the line if they pick a bust. Masai took Bruno who was unranked at #21 and nobody cared, he has carte blanche here.

Get him to one of the best developmental teams in the NBA and we have a future star.

Unless he's taken, in which case just grab Sengun

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I dont believe in Kuminga at all, I think he is clearest bust in this years draft.

Maybe not a bust, but maybe view him more like a 6'8 version of Isaac Okoro?

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Kuminga is like a year and a half younger than the rest of the top 5, and has elite physical tools. He has franchise player potential

If he's there at #9 you take him no questions asked. That will be our last chance at getting a pick that high with this core.

We don't need a future role player like Mitchell/Barnes/Johnson, we need a STAR.

The other **** teams can pass on Kuminga because those GMs (except for Presti) have their jobs on the line if they pick a bust. Masai took Bruno who was unranked at #21 and nobody cared, he has carte blanche here.

Get him to one of the best developmental teams in the NBA and we have a future star.

Unless he's taken, in which case just grab Sengun

Sengun won't play as I'd rather play Siakam and Boucher at PF the next 7-10 years. Even OG plays a bit of PF.

[UcanUwill]

I dont believe in Kuminga at all, I think he is clearest bust in this years draft.

Maybe not a bust, but maybe view him more like a 6'8 version of Isaac Okoro?

He looks more like Josh Jackson to me.

[TrustFundBaby]

Kuminga is like a year and a half younger than the rest of the top 5, and has elite physical tools. He has franchise player potential

If he's there at #9 you take him no questions asked. That will be our last chance at getting a pick that high with this core.

We don't need a future role player like Mitchell/Barnes/Johnson, we need a STAR.

The other **** teams can pass on Kuminga because those GMs (except for Presti) have their jobs on the line if they pick a bust. Masai took Bruno who was unranked at #21 and nobody cared, he has carte blanche here.

Get him to one of the best developmental teams in the NBA and we have a future star.

Unless he's taken, in which case just grab Sengun

Sengun won't play as I'd rather play Siakam and Boucher at PF the next 7-10 years. Even OG plays a bit of PF.

I think Sengun slots in pretty well actually.

Birch/Sengun/Gillespie
Siakam/Boucher

He's 6'10 that's like Ibaka size. He's a C

[Reeko]

Kuminga is like a year and a half younger than the rest of the top 5, and has elite physical tools. He has franchise player potential

If he's there at #9 you take him no questions asked. That will be our last chance at getting a pick that high with this core.

We don't need a future role player like Mitchell/Barnes/Johnson, we need a STAR.

The other **** teams can pass on Kuminga because those GMs (except for Presti) have their jobs on the line if they pick a bust. Masai took Bruno who was unranked at #21 and nobody cared, he has carte blanche here.

Get him to one of the best developmental teams in the NBA and we have a future star.

Unless he's taken, in which case just grab Sengun

You lost me at Sengun.

[gojoorange]

I dont believe in Kuminga at all, I think he is clearest bust in this years draft.

Maybe not a bust, but maybe view him more like a 6'8 version of Isaac Okoro?

He looks more like Josh Jackson to me.

I think his ceiling fully depends on which team takes him. If he's brought in to be a game changer, he will definitely fail. I can see him succeeding in a strong development program like Toronto or San Antonio. He will need time though.

[rapsdotcom]

I love Yuta, but did you really just compare him to Toni Kukoc? I think you may want to go back and check his resume.

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Not right now of course! I said if he keeps improving all aspects of his game he could reach Kukoc's level. I'm not talking about international accomplishments. Just being a good 6th man that does everything well.

He was never an allstar, never averaged 20 ppg, and only started 1/3 of his games played. 44.7/33.5/72.9 for 11.6ppg, 3.7 ast, 4.2 reb and A/T of 2.

I mean 2 years ago, we could say that Boucher wouldn't be putting up 20 and 10 regularly and shooting 39% from 3 with his side-spinning catapult shot.

Kukoc was a legit 6’11 playmaker, point forward type. In his prime he was between 13-15 ppg and 4-5 rebounds and dimes per. Playing for a dominant but methodically paced team.

Aside from being tall and left handed he and Yuta are nothing alike.

I agree that Yuta can improve and I’d like to keep him around, but he’s not going to be Kukoc. He’s also going to be 27 by the time the 21-22 season starts, so while he’s got the potential to have a bigger impact I don’t think we can expect him to be a ball handler and creator with the bench unit. He’s a good cutter, gets out in transition, has improved his catch and shoot game and generally makes good decisions.

Sorry if it sounds like I’m ragging on you, that’s not my intention and I appreciate your contributions to this thread.


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[TrustFundBaby]

Kuminga is like a year and a half younger than the rest of the top 5, and has elite physical tools. He has franchise player potential

If he's there at #9 you take him no questions asked. That will be our last chance at getting a pick that high with this core.

We don't need a future role player like Mitchell/Barnes/Johnson, we need a STAR.

The other **** teams can pass on Kuminga because those GMs (except for Presti) have their jobs on the line if they pick a bust. Masai took Bruno who was unranked at #21 and nobody cared, he has carte blanche here.

Get him to one of the best developmental teams in the NBA and we have a future star.

Unless he's taken, in which case just grab Sengun

You lost me at Sengun.

I saw some stats posted in this thread earlier. He's destroying his domestic league at rates never seen before.

The #s don't lie, this guy is for real.

[rapsdotcom]

Has anyone worked out the best case scenario for where our 2 second rounders could end up? If they are in the early-mid 40s that could be a chance to add some nice prospects.


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[Jerry Lucas]

Kuminga is like a year and a half younger than the rest of the top 5, and has elite physical tools. He has franchise player potential

If he's there at #9 you take him no questions asked. That will be our last chance at getting a pick that high with this core.

We don't need a future role player like Mitchell/Barnes/Johnson, we need a STAR.

The other **** teams can pass on Kuminga because those GMs (except for Presti) have their jobs on the line if they pick a bust. Masai took Bruno who was unranked at #21 and nobody cared, he has carte blanche here.

Get him to one of the best developmental teams in the NBA and we have a future star.

Unless he's taken, in which case just grab Sengun

IMO I feel like Mitchell and Barnes definitely have star potential, as well as Moody, Franz, Bouknight and Tre Mann. Agreed on Johnson though, there will be multiple better players available when the Raps are up to pick.