Draft Thread Part 2

[Reeko]

Kuminga is like a year and a half younger than the rest of the top 5, and has elite physical tools. He has franchise player potential

If he's there at #9 you take him no questions asked. That will be our last chance at getting a pick that high with this core.

We don't need a future role player like Mitchell/Barnes/Johnson, we need a STAR.

The other **** teams can pass on Kuminga because those GMs (except for Presti) have their jobs on the line if they pick a bust. Masai took Bruno who was unranked at #21 and nobody cared, he has carte blanche here.

Get him to one of the best developmental teams in the NBA and we have a future star.

Unless he's taken, in which case just grab Sengun

You lost me at Sengun.

I saw some stats posted in this thread earlier. He's destroying his domestic league at rates never seen before.

The #s don't lie, this guy is for real.

He has great #s I just don’t see it with him. No jump shot, not a great defender, decent shot blocker, good rebounder, lacks explosiveness, most of his scoring comes either in the paint or at the ft line. At 6’9 he is undersized for the C position, and he doesn’t show signs of being able to anchor a defense. Of course I could be wrong, but there’s no chance in hell that I would take him in the top 10.

[gojoorange]

Has anyone worked out the best case scenario for where our 2 second rounders could end up? If they are in the early-mid 40s that could be a chance to add some nice prospects.


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I wonder if BJ Boston would still be around. He likely projects more as Quincy Miller than Brandon Ingram but his physical tools are intriguing if he's still there.

[TrustFundBaby]

I don't know if he's been mentioned here, but what are people's thoughts on this guy, Ibou Dianko Badji?

7'1, 7'8 Wingspan, 9'10 standing reach, mobile as hell, 18 y.o and has only been playing a couple of years. Monster rim protection and shot blocking inside at the very minimum.

Work on his jumpshot and we got ourselves baby Ibaka

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We should grab him with one of our 2nds.

[JShuttlesworth]

Has anyone worked out the best case scenario for where our 2 second rounders could end up? If they are in the early-mid 40s that could be a chance to add some nice prospects.


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They're coming from the Warriors and Grizzlies so they're going to be mid second rounders, potentially back to back. Currently 45th and 46th picks.

The Warriors and Grizzlies are currently 8th and 9th in the West respectively, both teams will be involved in the play in games. The Spurs currently sit 10th. I suppose the best case scenario would involve Lakers beating whoever finishes 8th, and the Spurs knocking both the Grizzlies and Warriors (in whatever order) out of the playoffs via the play-in tournament.

In that scenario we'd move up a couple places and might get the 44th and 45th pick. But I don't see there being a whole lot of movement.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I don't know if he's been mentioned here, but what are people's thoughts on this guy, Ibou Dianko Badji?

7'1, 7'8 Wingspan, 9'10 standing reach, mobile as hell, 18 y.o and has only been playing a couple of years. Monster rim protection and shot blocking inside at the very minimum.

Work on his jumpshot and we got ourselves baby Ibaka

Watch on YouTube

We should grab him with one of our 2nds.

Good lord, that standing reach is longer than Gobert's which was already other worldly I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on this kid and letting him either develop in Europe or the G-League (preferably). He might be that high ceiling guy that we should shoot for in the 2nd round while we take a solid upperclassmen with our other pick.

EJ Onu was another lanky big I was looking at, but this Badji kid seems to have him beat. Onu is 6'10"-6'11" with a 7'6" wingspan, and already has a decent 3 point shot, but he's also already a senior and has played against weak competition. I hope Onu doesn't get drafted so he can transfer to a solid D-1 program where we can see what he's truly made of.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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I decided to look up Damien Jefferson because of the tweet and he looks solid as a rock! He wasn't outstanding statistically, but just watching tape on him shows you how good he is. Very balanced on his jumper, and doesn't get pushed off his drives to the bucket. He reminds me a lot of Josh Howard and would be a great candidate for an UDFA in my opinion.

[Jerry Lucas]

I still think Tre Mann is being slept on a little too much. He was basically a PG prospect MCDonalds All American who at age 19 grew 2 more inches to be 6’5 now while adding 15-20lbs of muscle toward the end of the year, all while retaining his handle and poor man’s Trae Young-like step back arsenal and deep range. He fits the mold of other PG/combo guard bombers in the league like Jamal Murray whose pull up jumpers from all over the court are deadly weapons. He looks to be competitive. He’s a smooth athlete. Seems smart. Improved as the year went on. Not afraid of the moment. I really think he will end up a lotto pick.

New mix out. I love his balance. He catches defenders flat footed with his step back and his ability to just pull straight up while attacking with the ball. Quick release. Very assured, confident arc on his shot that good shooters have. He treats his jumper like a weapon the way the good shooters do. He can also get to the net on close outs, absorb some contact and make plays for others. There’s a lot to be encouraged by if interested in a high usage scoring combo guard but you’d have to embrace him and let him play like a poor man’s Murray-type in your offence.

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Eye test for him looks good to me and reminiscent of some other successful scoring combo guards in the post Steph Curry era of hoop and his numbers especially late in the year show a continued upward trajectory.

With the way the game is played now and the green light NBA coaches give shooters and the desire to have someone who can shoot off the move with or without the ball from all over there’s a lot to like. If he goes past 15 someone could get a poor man’s Jamal Murray type as a bargain.

Since we have Fred this type of player may seem less appealing but to other teams a 6’5 kid who can do this shouldn’t be.

With you being one of the TWO pioneers I respect this endorsement of my guy.

[gojoorange]

I really like RaiQuan Gray as a good value second rounder if he enters the draft. Reminds me of PJ Tucker with good ball handling and better size.

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[Jadoogar]

Pretty much #6 and #7 would be Keon Johnson and Scottie Barnes in no particular order. Their potential seems to be higher.

I think the Draft Measurement may have a big or two rise up to #8, so perhaps we have few options outside of Keon and Barnes.

The ringer seems to be low on Barnes (11th) and Moody (16) than most.

Maybe they value shooting and team fits.
I also question if Davion Mitchell only links to the Raptors for being higher on the draft. I wonder what are the other teams will take him over some of the high ceiling prospects in the top 10.

i'll admit i don't watch a lot of college but is the only knock on Mitchell his age?

[rapsdotcom]

The ringer seems to be low on Barnes (11th) and Moody (16) than most.

Maybe they value shooting and team fits.
I also question if Davion Mitchell only links to the Raptors for being higher on the draft. I wonder what are the other teams will take him over some of the high ceiling prospects in the top 10.

i'll admit i don't watch a lot of college but is the only knock on Mitchell his age?

For me, it’s not just his age but also his lack of true point guard feel. Dynamite defender, great quickness, greatly improved shooter but not really a playmaker with the ball in his hands.
With Fred locked in as a starting guard for now I’d rather have a bigger playmaking type alongside him if we were going to add another back court player.

*not that that necessarily has to happen via the draft


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[rapsdotcom]

If we’re top 7, I’m hoping we steer clear of Jalen Johnson. All character issues aside (which I don’t necessarily buy into anyway), I just don’t see him moving the needle for us.

His stats ended up being pretty modest, and that’s only because he beat up on some early season cupcakes that Duke played. He doesn’t shoot it well from outside and his mechanics aren’t great, so I’m not convinced he’s going to be a reliable distance shooter.

He’s got good length and some feel but I don’t see a fit with us or massive upside either.


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[RaptorPride]

I dont believe in Kuminga at all, I think he is clearest bust in this years draft.

How come?

[RaptorPride]

How do people see Scottie Barnes offence developing?

[gojoorange]

If we’re top 7, I’m hoping we steer clear of Jalen Johnson. All character issues aside (which I don’t necessarily buy into anyway), I just don’t see him moving the needle for us.

His stats ended up being pretty modest, and that’s only because he beat up on some early season cupcakes that Duke played. He doesn’t shoot it well from outside and his mechanics aren’t great, so I’m not convinced he’s going to be a reliable distance shooter.

He’s got good length and some feel but I don’t see a fit with us or massive upside either.


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I don't share the same apprehension for Johnson. I think he is a legit 2nd tier talent in this draft. His shooting stroke is a major concern but he does so many other things well, especially defensively. I think if he's there at 7 or so, you have to take him on talent alone. The Raps last lottery pick (Poeltl) didn't have a shot either but has developed into a legit All-Defense level 5 in the league.

[alpngso]

I’d rather roll with Scottie Barnes or Davion Mitchell than Keon Johnson. I heard Keon has no shot whatsoever. At least Barnes can create and play better D

[Mark_83]

He's been mentioned before until he just sort of fell out of discussion but Raiquan Gray could be an interesting developmental piece either in the second round or undrafted, especially if he's a legit 6'8 and he has a decent wingspan. He's 6'8 260 but can really move out there. He can handle the ball, pass it, post up, and slide his feet on defense. He could conceivably guard 2-5 and play small ball center if his measurements check out. Physically he looks like Zion but skillwise he's more like Draymond. If he can learn to hit the kick out three, and his defensive and offensive versatility translates, he could be a very useful player. He plays only 26 minutes a game (perhaps he lacks stamina?) but here are his per 36 averages: 16.3pts 8.8reb 3ast 1.6stl 1blk.

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[Kevin Willis]

I don't know if he's been mentioned here, but what are people's thoughts on this guy, Ibou Dianko Badji?

7'1, 7'8 Wingspan, 9'10 standing reach, mobile as hell, 18 y.o and has only been playing a couple of years. Monster rim protection and shot blocking inside at the very minimum.

Work on his jumpshot and we got ourselves baby Ibaka

Watch on YouTube

We should grab him with one of our 2nds.

Very Mutumboish. Do we need that type of player? If we can surround him with shooters he might be able to protect a bad defender or two.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Jalen Green is the best player in this draft and it's not close. Look at his stats in the g League vs men. Look at cade's stats in the tournament. Horrible shooting. Overrated

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[gojoorange]

He's been mentioned before until he just sort of fell out of discussion but Raiquan Gray could be an interesting developmental piece either in the second round or undrafted, especially if he's a legit 6'8 and he has a decent wingspan. He's 6'8 260 but can really move out there. He can handle the ball, pass it, post up, and slide his feet on defense. He could conceivably guard 2-5 and play small ball center if his measurements check out. Physically he looks like Zion but skillwise he's more like Draymond. If he can learn to hit the kick out three, and his defensive and offensive versatility translates, he could be a very useful player. He plays only 26 minutes a game (perhaps he lacks stamina?) but here are his per 36 averages: 16.3pts 8.8reb 3ast 1.6stl 1blk.

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Posted about him earlier too. I can see his game translating to the next level and he could be a steal in the 2nd round.

[Reeko]

How do people see Scottie Barnes offence developing?

I think his floor offensively is Draymond Green, inconsistent 3pt shooter but an elite playmaker. If he figures out the jump shot and makes it consistent, and starts being able to operate in the mid range, he could be the best player in the draft. He's a guy with ridiculous potential given his speed, length and athleticism, but he's still really raw on that end of the floor.