Draft Thread Part 2

[BoyzNTheHood]

He's been mentioned before until he just sort of fell out of discussion but Raiquan Gray could be an interesting developmental piece either in the second round or undrafted, especially if he's a legit 6'8 and he has a decent wingspan. He's 6'8 260 but can really move out there. He can handle the ball, pass it, post up, and slide his feet on defense. He could conceivably guard 2-5 and play small ball center if his measurements check out. Physically he looks like Zion but skillwise he's more like Draymond. If he can learn to hit the kick out three, and his defensive and offensive versatility translates, he could be a very useful player. He plays only 26 minutes a game (perhaps he lacks stamina?) but here are his per 36 averages: 16.3pts 8.8reb 3ast 1.6stl 1blk.

Watch on YouTube

Posted about him earlier too. I can see his game translating to the next level and he could be a steal in the 2nd round.

Yeah, I posted about him in the last draft thread and on the draft forum but not many have taken notice. The kid is quality. It doesn't matter that he's undersized, he makes up for it. I think he'll be able to guard 3-5 at the NBA level and be able to initiate the offense at times as well. Having a big that can snatch the ball off the rim and initiate the offense is game changing, just ask Denver.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-scouting-josh-giddey-for-2021-nba-draft

Looks like the Raptors are looking at giddey

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[RaptorPride]

How do people see Scottie Barnes offence developing?

I think his floor offensively is Draymond Green, inconsistent 3pt shooter but an elite playmaker. If he figures out the jump shot and makes it consistent, and starts being able to operate in the mid range, he could be the best player in the draft. He's a guy with ridiculous potential given his speed, length and athleticism, but he's still really raw on that end of the floor.

He's a 3/4? Or does he have potential to play small ball 5?

[Reeko]

How do people see Scottie Barnes offence developing?

I think his floor offensively is Draymond Green, inconsistent 3pt shooter but an elite playmaker. If he figures out the jump shot and makes it consistent, and starts being able to operate in the mid range, he could be the best player in the draft. He's a guy with ridiculous potential given his speed, length and athleticism, but he's still really raw on that end of the floor.

He's a 3/4? Or does he have potential to play small ball 5?

He is actually described as a 1 and I believe he considers himself a point guard. With the way things are going in the NBA, I guess it doesn't really matter. He could absolutely play small ball 5 in the future. His defense, both man and team, is elite.

[gojoorange]

He's been mentioned before until he just sort of fell out of discussion but Raiquan Gray could be an interesting developmental piece either in the second round or undrafted, especially if he's a legit 6'8 and he has a decent wingspan. He's 6'8 260 but can really move out there. He can handle the ball, pass it, post up, and slide his feet on defense. He could conceivably guard 2-5 and play small ball center if his measurements check out. Physically he looks like Zion but skillwise he's more like Draymond. If he can learn to hit the kick out three, and his defensive and offensive versatility translates, he could be a very useful player. He plays only 26 minutes a game (perhaps he lacks stamina?) but here are his per 36 averages: 16.3pts 8.8reb 3ast 1.6stl 1blk.

Watch on YouTube

Posted about him earlier too. I can see his game translating to the next level and he could be a steal in the 2nd round.

Yeah, I posted about him in the last draft thread and on the draft forum but not many have taken notice. The kid is quality. It doesn't matter that he's undersized, he makes up for it. I think he'll be able to guard 3-5 at the NBA level and be able to initiate the offense at times as well. Having a big that can snatch the ball off the rim and initiate the offense is game changing, just ask Denver.

Completely agree. I think his ground bound game is causing him to be overlooked.

[Dalek]

Has anyone worked out the best case scenario for where our 2 second rounders could end up? If they are in the early-mid 40s that could be a chance to add some nice prospects.

I'd love to have back-to-back picks but it is doubtful Toronto would have three picks on the roster at the same time. I think one might get a two-way and the other would make sense as a draft and stash.

The first second rounder is the Warriors second round pick, currently at: 45

Spoiler:

Options:

Best situation is to get a high end role player with some size: Jeremiah Robinson-Earl or Trey Murphy III would add some skill to bench and would be able to get minutes pretty early.

BPA a guy like Bones Hyland seems Emmanuel Quickley all over again, so I would be ecstatic to get him here.

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Young freak players who had down first seasons might also be there: Greg Brown or BJ Boston. Both projected lottery picks that would be projects but its good to swing for the fences because they have size and are nice athletes with some basic skills.

Least favorite play would be the versatile defender. I could see Toronto loving Herbert Jones and Aaron Henry or even Scottie Lewis.

The next second rounder Toronto owns is the Grizzlies second round pick, currently at: 46

Spoiler:

Roko Prkacin is the obvious BPA that might fall to this range. He is almost lottery worthy to me, but at this pick a no brainer given his age and productivity and ability to play SF/PF.

Roko Jokubaitis is a good sized PG who is going to be a great asset to stash in Europe. Zalgiris is always a very good team and will develop him.

Yoan Makoundou is my sleeper pick. 6'9" freak player who I still think had the best dunk of the year:

Watch on YouTube

[RaptorPride]

I think his floor offensively is Draymond Green, inconsistent 3pt shooter but an elite playmaker. If he figures out the jump shot and makes it consistent, and starts being able to operate in the mid range, he could be the best player in the draft. He's a guy with ridiculous potential given his speed, length and athleticism, but he's still really raw on that end of the floor.

He's a 3/4? Or does he have potential to play small ball 5?

He is actually described as a 1 and I believe he considers himself a point guard. With the way things are going in the NBA, I guess it doesn't really matter. He could absolutely play small ball 5 in the future. His defense, both man and team, is elite.

I'm just now tryna learn about the prospects. I would say I'm a big fan of him so far with what I have seen. Wouldn't be mad at all picking him with our pick.

[Reeko]

He's a 3/4? Or does he have potential to play small ball 5?

He is actually described as a 1 and I believe he considers himself a point guard. With the way things are going in the NBA, I guess it doesn't really matter. He could absolutely play small ball 5 in the future. His defense, both man and team, is elite.

I'm just now tryna learn about the prospects. I would say I'm a big fan of him so far with what I have seen. Wouldn't be mad at all picking him with our pick.

My mind is constantly changing when evaluating these guys. I initially loved Barnes, then I was off him two weeks ago just because of the shooting concerns, but I'm back on the bandwagon. There are some professional talent evaluators that think he's worth a top 5 pick.

[RaptorPride]

He is actually described as a 1 and I believe he considers himself a point guard. With the way things are going in the NBA, I guess it doesn't really matter. He could absolutely play small ball 5 in the future. His defense, both man and team, is elite.

I'm just now tryna learn about the prospects. I would say I'm a big fan of him so far with what I have seen. Wouldn't be mad at all picking him with our pick.

My mind is constantly changing when evaluating these guys. I initially loved Barnes, then I was off him two weeks ago just because of the shooting concerns, but I'm back on the bandwagon. There are some professional talent evaluators that think he's worth a top 5 pick.

Its just my confidence with the Raptors developmental team. I feel like they would be able to get the most of him while developing his offence. Being a killer playmaker will help a lot since he won't end possessions in stupid turnovers tryna do to much on offence. He should be able to kick out and find the open man. Seems to play hard and play defense which fits perfectly with the Raptors.

If he truly sees him self as a point guard he might be a very nice fit beside Fred who can just chill and focus on catch and shoot threes. While Barnes play makes.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Keon Johnson still my favourite with his defensive tools, wingspan, explosive athleticism and willingness to look for his shot. He’s not as unique as Barnes but we need guys that create shots for themselves. As we’ve seen for the last 2 years post Kawhi that isn’t easy to come by at a high level

[Indeed]

Maybe they value shooting and team fits.
I also question if Davion Mitchell only links to the Raptors for being higher on the draft. I wonder what are the other teams will take him over some of the high ceiling prospects in the top 10.

i'll admit i don't watch a lot of college but is the only knock on Mitchell his age?

For me, it’s not just his age but also his lack of true point guard feel. Dynamite defender, great quickness, greatly improved shooter but not really a playmaker with the ball in his hands.
With Fred locked in as a starting guard for now I’d rather have a bigger playmaking type alongside him if we were going to add another back court player.

*not that that necessarily has to happen via the draft


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And concern about his shooting for being real. His FT% is pretty bad. But then, the Raptors are good in helping players improve their shooting.

The passing / playmaking is a concern, while some said this is because his pass are too hard to catch, which may not be the case in NBA. I guess we shall see in workout, coaching staffs can probably tell. If his passing / vision isn't there, you may wonder if you want to draft a bigger SG instead.

[Indeed]

He's been mentioned before until he just sort of fell out of discussion but Raiquan Gray could be an interesting developmental piece either in the second round or undrafted, especially if he's a legit 6'8 and he has a decent wingspan. He's 6'8 260 but can really move out there. He can handle the ball, pass it, post up, and slide his feet on defense. He could conceivably guard 2-5 and play small ball center if his measurements check out. Physically he looks like Zion but skillwise he's more like Draymond. If he can learn to hit the kick out three, and his defensive and offensive versatility translates, he could be a very useful player. He plays only 26 minutes a game (perhaps he lacks stamina?) but here are his per 36 averages: 16.3pts 8.8reb 3ast 1.6stl 1blk.

Watch on YouTube

Posted about him earlier too. I can see his game translating to the next level and he could be a steal in the 2nd round.

Yeah, I posted about him in the last draft thread and on the draft forum but not many have taken notice. The kid is quality. It doesn't matter that he's undersized, he makes up for it. I think he'll be able to guard 3-5 at the NBA level and be able to initiate the offense at times as well. Having a big that can snatch the ball off the rim and initiate the offense is game changing, just ask Denver.

I have him as our 2nd round pick.
The biggest issue is his silly foul, but I don't feel he is as bad as Terence Davis.

I believe he may not have a very good vertical, which may limit his upside and being a finisher. And his 3 point shooting isn't consistent enough.

[Indeed]

Has anyone worked out the best case scenario for where our 2 second rounders could end up? If they are in the early-mid 40s that could be a chance to add some nice prospects.

I'd love to have back-to-back picks but it is doubtful Toronto would have three picks on the roster at the same time. I think one might get a two-way and the other would make sense as a draft and stash.

The first second rounder is the Warriors second round pick, currently at: 45

Spoiler:

Options:

Best situation is to get a high end role player with some size: Jeremiah Robinson-Earl or Trey Murphy III would add some skill to bench and would be able to get minutes pretty early.

BPA a guy like Bones Hyland seems Emmanuel Quickley all over again, so I would be ecstatic to get him here.

Read on Twitter

Young freak players who had down first seasons might also be there: Greg Brown or BJ Boston. Both projected lottery picks that would be projects but its good to swing for the fences because they have size and are nice athletes with some basic skills.

Least favorite play would be the versatile defender. I could see Toronto loving Herbert Jones and Aaron Henry or even Scottie Lewis.

The next second rounder Toronto owns is the Grizzlies second round pick, currently at: 46

Spoiler:

Roko Prkacin is the obvious BPA that might fall to this range. He is almost lottery worthy to me, but at this pick a no brainer given his age and productivity and ability to play SF/PF.

Roko Jokubaitis is a good sized PG who is going to be a great asset to stash in Europe. Zalgiris is always a very good team and will develop him.

Yoan Makoundou is my sleeper pick. 6'9" freak player who I still think had the best dunk of the year:

Watch on YouTube

Depends what position we are going to draft in the 1st round pick.
We also have Flynn and Harris, so I prefer to draft a forward or two in the 2nd round.

I think there are few strategy:
1) Draft a NBA Ready (roster spot) and draft a Project (two-way)
2) Draft a 3 point shooter with acceptable D and draft someone big who can handle the ball with acceptable D

For 3&D from the ESPN big board, I see Trey Murphy, Johnny Juzang, Kessler Edwards, Herbert Jones, etc. around our range.
For someone who can handle the ball, I see Gray, Nix, etc. around our range.
For a project, Todd, Amar Sylla, etc. around our range.

[CoinTossRoss31]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-scouting-josh-giddey-for-2021-nba-draft

Looks like the Raptors are looking at giddey

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Start of the smokescreens?

[WuTang_CMB]

I don't know if he's been mentioned here, but what are people's thoughts on this guy, Ibou Dianko Badji?

7'1, 7'8 Wingspan, 9'10 standing reach, mobile as hell, 18 y.o and has only been playing a couple of years. Monster rim protection and shot blocking inside at the very minimum.

Work on his jumpshot and we got ourselves baby Ibaka

Watch on YouTube

We should grab him with one of our 2nds.

Wow thos guys a beast. And not a frail bigmen either. Hes got good size. Wide shoulders and explosive. Interesting prospect and def on masais radar

[Psubs]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-scouting-josh-giddey-for-2021-nba-draft

Looks like the Raptors are looking at giddey

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Start of the smokescreens?

He's this season's Maledon.

I would think that their top 10 big board is set.

[Bruin]

Has anyone worked out the best case scenario for where our 2 second rounders could end up? If they are in the early-mid 40s that could be a chance to add some nice prospects.

I'd love to have back-to-back picks but it is doubtful Toronto would have three picks on the roster at the same time. I think one might get a two-way and the other would make sense as a draft and stash.

The first second rounder is the Warriors second round pick, currently at: 45

Spoiler:

Options:

Best situation is to get a high end role player with some size: Jeremiah Robinson-Earl or Trey Murphy III would add some skill to bench and would be able to get minutes pretty early.

BPA a guy like Bones Hyland seems Emmanuel Quickley all over again, so I would be ecstatic to get him here.

Read on Twitter

Young freak players who had down first seasons might also be there: Greg Brown or BJ Boston. Both projected lottery picks that would be projects but its good to swing for the fences because they have size and are nice athletes with some basic skills.

Least favorite play would be the versatile defender. I could see Toronto loving Herbert Jones and Aaron Henry or even Scottie Lewis.

The next second rounder Toronto owns is the Grizzlies second round pick, currently at: 46

Spoiler:

Roko Prkacin is the obvious BPA that might fall to this range. He is almost lottery worthy to me, but at this pick a no brainer given his age and productivity and ability to play SF/PF.

Roko Jokubaitis is a good sized PG who is going to be a great asset to stash in Europe. Zalgiris is always a very good team and will develop him.

Yoan Makoundou is my sleeper pick. 6'9" freak player who I still think had the best dunk of the year:

Watch on YouTube

Ideally the picks are back to back which as of right now is looking likely

If we don’t want to have 3 rookies on the roster I think we could package the two and to move to the late 1st round

[gbball]

I don't know if he's been mentioned here, but what are people's thoughts on this guy, Ibou Dianko Badji?

7'1, 7'8 Wingspan, 9'10 standing reach, mobile as hell, 18 y.o and has only been playing a couple of years. Monster rim protection and shot blocking inside at the very minimum.

Work on his jumpshot and we got ourselves baby Ibaka

Watch on YouTube

We should grab him with one of our 2nds.

Wow thos guys a beast. And not a frail bigmen either. Hes got good size. Wide shoulders and explosive. Interesting prospect and def on masais radar

Dang,

This guy looks like an awesome a defensive anchor. He checks a lot of boxes for us. Lob threat, switchable, good rebounder, rim protector, defensive iq, good touch on his midrange shot. I've never even heard of him before. He's probably a reach in the top 10, but also probably gone by the time we pick in the 2nd round. I guess we'll see.

[Drygon]

Vince wanted to stay & rescined his trade request. Rob Babcack accepted Nets' crap package & traded him anyway.

It's confirmed by Rob Babcock & Sam Mitchell themselves years later.

http://pmd.fan590.com/audio_on_demand-2/Sam-Mitchell-with-tim-and-Sid-ts-20121107-Interview.mp3
http://pmd.fan590.com/audio_on_demand-2/Rob-Babcock-with-Tim-and-Sid-ts-20121107-Interview.mp3

Agreed. But you know the raps fan base... percentage are whiners and don't deserve to have an NBA franchise... Vince was awesome and I was lucky to have season tickets during his era in toronto.. what a superstar....

He also admitted to not trying his best and did submit a trade request initially. That's what quitters do.

That's a bold accusation. Do you have a source where Vince blatantly said he deliberately played bad in his last Raptors season?

Players asks trade request for various of different reasons. It doesn't make them a quitter.

In Vince's case, Rob Babcock openly said he didn't care about Raptors not winning games to qualify for Playoffs within 2 years and drafted bums like Rafa Araujo. Any superstar would've requested a trade in Vince's situation. Nobody is gonna waste their prime years on a franchise in rebuild mode.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1817374

Agreed. But you know the raps fan base... percentage are whiners and don't deserve to have an NBA franchise... Vince was awesome and I was lucky to have season tickets during his era in toronto.. what a superstar....

Vince never had a great team during his prime. He never played with another elite offensive player to help with the load. But despite that, he won a handful of playoff series while someone like T-Mac never won a single playoff series in his prime. T-Mac blew a 3-1 lead in his best year too. Yet, people gives him a free pass while Vince don't get the same treatment.

[sycammer]

let me keep it simple.

2019 off-season, we lost our wingmen (SF/SG) - (Kawhi & Danny G)

2020 Off-season, we lost our big men- (C/PF) - (Serge Ibaka & M. Gasol)

Bottom line: no one should be surprised that this team is with a losing record.

we need to fill both positions, we will be fine...NBA lottery

I expect the Raptors to be playoff picture next season.