sansterre wrote:Strepbacter wrote:Post-season RAPM (wonky source):
Kobe: #1 in the league
Shaq: #10 in the league
https://basketball-analytics.gitlab.io/rapm-data/season/2000-01/playoffs/
Post-season PIPM:
KObe---5.09
Shaq---3.509
Post-season PIPM wins:
Kobe--3.37
Shaq--2.65
Post-season +/-:
Kobe: +213 (highest EVER recorded)
Shaq: +186
Post-season On/Off:
Kobe: +14.2
Shaq: -0.3
Overall RAPTOR +/- (RS+post-season) (influenced by box-score):
Kobe: +6.4
Shaq: +6.2
Post-season WAR:
Kobe: +4.0
Shaq: +4.1
Post-season ORTG:
Kobe: 117
Shaq: 113
Post-season BPM 1.0 (Basketball-Reference)
Kobe: +7.4
Shaq: +7.2
Post-season BPM (Backpicks)
Kobe: +6.8
Shaq: +5.6
https://backpicks.com/
Post-season BPM 2.0:
Kobe: +6.5
Shaq: +6.5
Post-season WS:
Kobe: +3.8 (#1)
Shaq: +3.7
Post-season WS/48
Kobe: .260
Shaq: .260
Post-season VORP
Kobe: +1.6
Shaq: +1.6
Kobe on and Shaq off they had a Net Rating of +19.48
Shaq on and Kobe off they had a Net Rating of -0.01
Overall RAPM (RS and POST-SEASON data included):
Bryant: 4.39 (#3 in the league)
Shaq: 4.37 (#4 in the league)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/11181n4avq5wefk/AABLySVPmcZXb0uiGPEk53fpa/2001.txt?dl=0
Bryant was #1 or tied #1 on the team post-season WS, OWS, WS/48, ORTG, VORP, OBPM, BPM, BPM 2.0, Backpicks BPM, On/Off, +/-, net rating, PIPM, PIPM wins, RAPTOR +/- and Playoff RAPM.
...but tell me more about Shaq deserved "the lion's share of the credit". At the very least it was a clear 1a/1b thing. Get real.
Good research to support your position. But I already stipulated that metrics generally liked Bryant's postseason better. My caution about taking them at face value rested on the fact that Shaq faced a slate of defensive bigs arguably comparable to Kareem's opposition in the '71 playoffs (Thurmond, Wilt and Unseld). If we stipulate to the idea that Shaq played harder defenses than Kobe (not unreasonable, but hypothetical) then we need to take that into account when comparing their performances. At the intersection of the matchups and Shaq being the better player in all three regular seasons and the '00 and '02 playoffs, I err toward favoring Shaq in contribution if I have to pick one. I could be wrong.
As for the rest . . . Each time I try and respond to you professionally and courteously and each time you seem to interpret it as a dastardly ploy uttered in bad faith. And if you believe that about me, there is unlikely to be anything I can say that will change your mind. Which is sad, but I suppose that it is what it is.
What's sad is people throwing up flimsy straw-men and going on irrelevant tangents instead of addressing the actual points being made, but whatever.
