Fire Brad Stevens.

[canman1971]

For the posters who support Brad I’d be curious to hear what you think he does well — meaning, to merit keeping the job.

One approach I use to evaluate my reports at work is to ask: “knowing what I know about this employee, would I hire them today for their role?” If the answer is no you should be managing them to address their issues, or letting them go.

Point is, the decision to keep Brad shouldn’t just come down to the fact that he’s currently the coach. And sure we’ve had health issues but so has virtually every other team in the league. Tatum has played 60 games, Jaylen 58, and they’re our two most important guys by far.

The complaints are well documented and not just from this year. He’s a weak leader who doesn’t hold players accountable. He shows no fire. He doesn’t have a regular rotation. I mean look at today — there is zero excuse for playing Edwards in this game. Pritchard and Nesmith were both available.

Brad seems like a tremendous human being but this is the **** NBA. This isn’t about participation trophies and every kid gets a chance to play. At some point you’re either serious about winning or you’re not, and if I was Wyc I’d have real heartburn about how this year has gone.

What exactly have the players done well? Just asking.

[Green89]

For the posters who support Brad I’d be curious to hear what you think he does well — meaning, to merit keeping the job.

One approach I use to evaluate my reports at work is to ask: “knowing what I know about this employee, would I hire them today for their role?” If the answer is no you should be managing them to address their issues, or letting them go.

Point is, the decision to keep Brad shouldn’t just come down to the fact that he’s currently the coach. And sure we’ve had health issues but so has virtually every other team in the league. Tatum has played 60 games, Jaylen 58, and they’re our two most important guys by far.

The complaints are well documented and not just from this year. He’s a weak leader who doesn’t hold players accountable. He shows no fire. He doesn’t have a regular rotation. I mean look at today — there is zero excuse for playing Edwards in this game. Pritchard and Nesmith were both available.

Brad seems like a tremendous human being but this is the **** NBA. This isn’t about participation trophies and every kid gets a chance to play. At some point you’re either serious about winning or you’re not, and if I was Wyc I’d have real heartburn about how this year has gone.

What exactly have the players done well? Just asking.

They're young and need a strong leader. They don't even have vets to guide them on the bench.

[GTR11]

For the posters who support Brad I’d be curious to hear what you think he does well — meaning, to merit keeping the job.

One approach I use to evaluate my reports at work is to ask: “knowing what I know about this employee, would I hire them today for their role?” If the answer is no you should be managing them to address their issues, or letting them go.

Point is, the decision to keep Brad shouldn’t just come down to the fact that he’s currently the coach. And sure we’ve had health issues but so has virtually every other team in the league. Tatum has played 60 games, Jaylen 58, and they’re our two most important guys by far.

The complaints are well documented and not just from this year. He’s a weak leader who doesn’t hold players accountable. He shows no fire. He doesn’t have a regular rotation. I mean look at today — there is zero excuse for playing Edwards in this game. Pritchard and Nesmith were both available.

Brad seems like a tremendous human being but this is the **** NBA. This isn’t about participation trophies and every kid gets a chance to play. At some point you’re either serious about winning or you’re not, and if I was Wyc I’d have real heartburn about how this year has gone.

What exactly have the players done well? Just asking.

They're young and need a strong leader. They don't even have vets to guide them on the bench.

You had vets, how that exactly worked out. Coaching is combination of a lot of things.

Brad is a better coach out there. He ain't the problem here. Trash he has to work with is killing him ( don't mean top talent ).

[Green89]

What exactly have the players done well? Just asking.

They're young and need a strong leader. They don't even have vets to guide them on the bench.

You had vets, how that exactly worked out. Coaching is combination of a lot of things.

Brad is a better coach out there. He ain't the problem here. Trash he has to work with is killing him ( don't mean top talent ).

Rarely anyone over 30 the past few seasons, and Horford wasn't the mentoring type of vet we needed.

[robdog_5]

For the posters who support Brad I’d be curious to hear what you think he does well — meaning, to merit keeping the job.

One approach I use to evaluate my reports at work is to ask: “knowing what I know about this employee, would I hire them today for their role?” If the answer is no you should be managing them to address their issues, or letting them go.

Point is, the decision to keep Brad shouldn’t just come down to the fact that he’s currently the coach. And sure we’ve had health issues but so has virtually every other team in the league. Tatum has played 60 games, Jaylen 58, and they’re our two most important guys by far.

The complaints are well documented and not just from this year. He’s a weak leader who doesn’t hold players accountable. He shows no fire. He doesn’t have a regular rotation. I mean look at today — there is zero excuse for playing Edwards in this game. Pritchard and Nesmith were both available.

Brad seems like a tremendous human being but this is the **** NBA. This isn’t about participation trophies and every kid gets a chance to play. At some point you’re either serious about winning or you’re not, and if I was Wyc I’d have real heartburn about how this year has gone.

Ok I posted in the beginning of this thread and in all honestly I'm a big Brad fan. Admittedly I'm a coach homer most likely because I am one and have been for almost 20 years. So I usually side with coaches.

I also said if Brad has "lost" the locker room and mostly Brown and Tatum he almost has to go. Maybe they need a new voice.

But I can also answer these type questions rather easy.

What has Brad done?
I think Brad has done a good job of getting guys to play better than their talent/or perceived limits. Examples:IT, Evan Turner, Jae Crowder (been good but really bust on to scene with Brad), Theis, Baynes

Win 56% of games and easily over 60% after the 1st season in which he had a NBADL roster.

Get to 3 EConf finals in last 4 years. Besides Celtics think only GSW and Lebrons have been that consistently good.

Up until this year been one of best defensive teams all while having smaller avg height on rosters. (Defense more than offense points to coaching).

Good at ATO, SLOBS and BLOBS. Not as good last few years but been overall one of tops in league.

During those 3 ECF teams he's had the go to guy be 3 different guys. Meaning he hasn't had a Steph, Harden, Lebron who takes his team deep every year. Done it with different casts and leaders.

The question of is Brad a good coach isn't good or to be honest an intelligent question. The right question is Brad the right coach for the Celtics moving forward. I'm not sure where I fall at the moment. I do think Brad deserves one more season after this in which he gets to practice and hopefully won't have a moving chairs of whose available.

[exculpatory]

They're young and need a strong leader. They don't even have vets to guide them on the bench.

You had vets, how that exactly worked out. Coaching is combination of a lot of things.

Brad is a better coach out there. He ain't the problem here. Trash he has to work with is killing him ( don't mean top talent ).

Rarely anyone over 30 the past few seasons, and Horford wasn't the mentoring type of vet we needed.

And neither is the always smiling, way too short, defensive liability w age- & knee-related decline in O skills to whom we are paying a **** fortune.

And neither is the combustible Marcus prone to bad shot selection & too many bad decisions.

And Howdy Doody lacks the balls to hold people accountable.

[GTR11]

You had vets, how that exactly worked out. Coaching is combination of a lot of things.

Brad is a better coach out there. He ain't the problem here. Trash he has to work with is killing him ( don't mean top talent ).

Rarely anyone over 30 the past few seasons, and Horford wasn't the mentoring type of vet we needed.

And neither is the always smiling, way too short, defensive liability w age- & knee-related decline in O skills to whom we are paying a **** fortune.

And neither is the combustible Marcus prone to bad shot selection & too many bad decisions.

And Howdy Doody lacks the balls to hold people accountable.

If they sucked so bad why...


Enjoy your thoughts.

[cloverleaf]

You had vets, how that exactly worked out. Coaching is combination of a lot of things.

Brad is a better coach out there. He ain't the problem here. Trash he has to work with is killing him ( don't mean top talent ).

Rarely anyone over 30 the past few seasons, and Horford wasn't the mentoring type of vet we needed.

And neither is the always smiling, way too short, defensive liability w age- & knee-related decline in O skills to whom we are paying a **** fortune.

And neither is the combustible Marcus prone to bad shot selection & too many bad decisions.

And Howdy Doody lacks the balls to hold people accountable.

For the last two games, now pre- and post-game, Brad seems to me to be repeatedly and insistently pointing the finger at Danny as strongly as possible by saying how small the team is and how difficult that makes it.

I think this might go back to the Theis trade, when Brad also immediately said in his interviews that he "didn't see that one coming". Brad's tone changed after the trade deadline too, talking about how he didn't know how long he'd be coaching the team or in the NBA, etc.

But now he's clearly delivering a public message about what he thinks is flawed in the composition of the roster. I don't actually think that has anything to do with the lack of team commitment and play this year, but Brad is also trying to deflect from how obviously key players on this team have quit on him by saying the team's overall horrid play isn't horrid.

[JediMasterRevan]

Rarely anyone over 30 the past few seasons, and Horford wasn't the mentoring type of vet we needed.

And neither is the always smiling, way too short, defensive liability w age- & knee-related decline in O skills to whom we are paying a **** fortune.

And neither is the combustible Marcus prone to bad shot selection & too many bad decisions.

And Howdy Doody lacks the balls to hold people accountable.

For the last two games, now pre- and post-game, Brad seems to me to be repeatedly and insistently pointing the finger at Danny as strongly as possible by saying how small the team is and how difficult that makes it.

I think this might go back to the Theis trade, when Brad also immediately said in his interviews that he "didn't see that one coming". Brad's tone changed after the trade deadline too, talking about how he didn't know how long he'd be coaching the team or in the NBA, etc.

But now he's clearly delivering a public message about what he thinks is flawed in the composition of the roster. I don't actually think that has anything to do with the lack of team commitment and play this year, but Brad is also trying to deflect from how obviously key players on this team have quit on him by saying the team's overall horrid play isn't horrid.

Brad is wearing really thin with me, but the blame still resides with Danny.

He has done an abysmal job the last couple of seasons.

The fournier trade made no sense as he is an expiring and he said that he would not use the TPE on an expiring. Also he has nesmith in the wings who projects as a better player than Fournier.

Lost the TPE

has yet to address front court glaring issues

brought in Kemba who was obviously a bad fit.

Didnt take a trade for Hayward


List goes on and on.

Team needs a personnel shake up, need length in the nba today, so that is a good place to start.

Then see how Brad responds as coach.

[greenroom31]

For the posters who support Brad I’d be curious to hear what you think he does well — meaning, to merit keeping the job.

One approach I use to evaluate my reports at work is to ask: “knowing what I know about this employee, would I hire them today for their role?” If the answer is no you should be managing them to address their issues, or letting them go.

Point is, the decision to keep Brad shouldn’t just come down to the fact that he’s currently the coach. And sure we’ve had health issues but so has virtually every other team in the league. Tatum has played 60 games, Jaylen 58, and they’re our two most important guys by far.

The complaints are well documented and not just from this year. He’s a weak leader who doesn’t hold players accountable. He shows no fire. He doesn’t have a regular rotation. I mean look at today — there is zero excuse for playing Edwards in this game. Pritchard and Nesmith were both available.

Brad seems like a tremendous human being but this is the **** NBA. This isn’t about participation trophies and every kid gets a chance to play. At some point you’re either serious about winning or you’re not, and if I was Wyc I’d have real heartburn about how this year has gone.

What exactly have the players done well? Just asking.

You didn't answer the question in my post at all so not sure why I'm supposed to answer yours, but I will anyway.

Tatum and Brown had all-star seasons. RW3 has shown that he can be a starter when healthy. Pritchard and Nesmith have shown they are at least rotational players.

But none of that is the point of this thread at all. This is about Brad as a coach. If you don't believe that a coach is responsible for demanding effort, consistency, players knowing their roles, defense, implementing an offensive system (we don't seem to have one), then I'm not sure what you think a coach is supposed to do?

The players are responsible for effort and execution as well of course, but the coach must get players to buy in -- either by virtue of their leadership and ability to bring people together positively, or through accountability and respect. Stevens has failed in both of these areas. He started off as a positive leader but post-Kyrie they have tuned him out. And the accountability thing is a joke... Brad doesn't have it in him to do this.

[31to6]

Kyrie left a stank that Brad may not be able to purge.
Unless he starts burning some sage pronto..

[Green89]

Rarely anyone over 30 the past few seasons, and Horford wasn't the mentoring type of vet we needed.

And neither is the always smiling, way too short, defensive liability w age- & knee-related decline in O skills to whom we are paying a **** fortune.

And neither is the combustible Marcus prone to bad shot selection & too many bad decisions.

And Howdy Doody lacks the balls to hold people accountable.

For the last two games, now pre- and post-game, Brad seems to me to be repeatedly and insistently pointing the finger at Danny as strongly as possible by saying how small the team is and how difficult that makes it.

I think this might go back to the Theis trade, when Brad also immediately said in his interviews that he "didn't see that one coming". Brad's tone changed after the trade deadline too, talking about how he didn't know how long he'd be coaching the team or in the NBA, etc.

But now he's clearly delivering a public message about what he thinks is flawed in the composition of the roster. I don't actually think that has anything to do with the lack of team commitment and play this year, but Brad is also trying to deflect from how obviously key players on this team have quit on him by saying the team's overall horrid play isn't horrid.

Brad may miss Theis, but I wouldn't go this far. Why did Brad not use Kornet more, or Jabari Parker? And bringing in Edwards over Pritchard, and then using a 3 guard lineup in the 4th? That's not using the size you have on your bench, never mind wanting more size.

[robdog_5]

For the posters who support Brad I’d be curious to hear what you think he does well — meaning, to merit keeping the job.

One approach I use to evaluate my reports at work is to ask: “knowing what I know about this employee, would I hire them today for their role?” If the answer is no you should be managing them to address their issues, or letting them go.

Point is, the decision to keep Brad shouldn’t just come down to the fact that he’s currently the coach. And sure we’ve had health issues but so has virtually every other team in the league. Tatum has played 60 games, Jaylen 58, and they’re our two most important guys by far.

The complaints are well documented and not just from this year. He’s a weak leader who doesn’t hold players accountable. He shows no fire. He doesn’t have a regular rotation. I mean look at today — there is zero excuse for playing Edwards in this game. Pritchard and Nesmith were both available.

Brad seems like a tremendous human being but this is the **** NBA. This isn’t about participation trophies and every kid gets a chance to play. At some point you’re either serious about winning or you’re not, and if I was Wyc I’d have real heartburn about how this year has gone.

What exactly have the players done well? Just asking.

You didn't answer the question in my post at all so not sure why I'm supposed to answer yours, but I will anyway.

Tatum and Brown had all-star seasons. RW3 has shown that he can be a starter when healthy. Pritchard and Nesmith have shown they are at least rotational players.

But none of that is the point of this thread at all. This is about Brad as a coach. If you don't believe that a coach is responsible for demanding effort, consistency, players knowing their roles, defense, implementing an offensive system (we don't seem to have one), then I'm not sure what you think a coach is supposed to do?

The players are responsible for effort and execution as well of course, but the coach must get players to buy in -- either by virtue of their leadership and ability to bring people together positively, or through accountability and respect. Stevens has failed in both of these areas. He started off as a positive leader but post-Kyrie they have tuned him out. And the accountability thing is a joke... Brad doesn't have it in him to do this.

What is the evidence of this other than people believing this because others say it on a board. I'm honestly asking, I know some insiders have hinted at some of these moments but I'm just curious.

Publicly Tatum and Brown have deflected heat from Brad.

I will say NBA of all pro sports is a fine line for coaches. And rarely does an NBA coach wield as much power as the players and specifically the star players. Maybe Pop and Thibs and if Stevens can't get the stars to believe in his message he has to go regardless of his ability to coach.

Make no mistake he's one of the best basketball coaches in the world, so that's not the issue.

[BK_2020]

We should go grab Greg Foster from the Pacers.
Holds people accountable, willing to get in players' faces and publicly humiliate them.
He's precisely the kind of coach who can motivate today's soft NBA players.

[cloverleaf]

And neither is the always smiling, way too short, defensive liability w age- & knee-related decline in O skills to whom we are paying a **** fortune.

And neither is the combustible Marcus prone to bad shot selection & too many bad decisions.

And Howdy Doody lacks the balls to hold people accountable.

For the last two games, now pre- and post-game, Brad seems to me to be repeatedly and insistently pointing the finger at Danny as strongly as possible by saying how small the team is and how difficult that makes it.

I think this might go back to the Theis trade, when Brad also immediately said in his interviews that he "didn't see that one coming". Brad's tone changed after the trade deadline too, talking about how he didn't know how long he'd be coaching the team or in the NBA, etc.

But now he's clearly delivering a public message about what he thinks is flawed in the composition of the roster. I don't actually think that has anything to do with the lack of team commitment and play this year, but Brad is also trying to deflect from how obviously key players on this team have quit on him by saying the team's overall horrid play isn't horrid.

Brad may miss Theis, but I wouldn't go this far. Why did Brad not use Kornet more, or Jabari Parker? And bringing in Edwards over Pritchard, and then using a 3 guard lineup in the 4th? That's not using the size you have on your bench, never mind wanting more size.

In brief, I think Stevens wants to minimize how much his team has obviously quit on him--and is looking for whatever excuses he can find as further cover.

[mwhis21]

For the posters who support Brad I’d be curious to hear what you think he does well — meaning, to merit keeping the job.

One approach I use to evaluate my reports at work is to ask: “knowing what I know about this employee, would I hire them today for their role?” If the answer is no you should be managing them to address their issues, or letting them go.

Point is, the decision to keep Brad shouldn’t just come down to the fact that he’s currently the coach. And sure we’ve had health issues but so has virtually every other team in the league. Tatum has played 60 games, Jaylen 58, and they’re our two most important guys by far.

The complaints are well documented and not just from this year. He’s a weak leader who doesn’t hold players accountable. He shows no fire. He doesn’t have a regular rotation. I mean look at today — there is zero excuse for playing Edwards in this game. Pritchard and Nesmith were both available.

Brad seems like a tremendous human being but this is the **** NBA. This isn’t about participation trophies and every kid gets a chance to play. At some point you’re either serious about winning or you’re not, and if I was Wyc I’d have real heartburn about how this year has gone.

Ok I posted in the beginning of this thread and in all honestly I'm a big Brad fan. Admittedly I'm a coach homer most likely because I am one and have been for almost 20 years. So I usually side with coaches.

I also said if Brad has "lost" the locker room and mostly Brown and Tatum he almost has to go. Maybe they need a new voice.

But I can also answer these type questions rather easy.

What has Brad done?
I think Brad has done a good job of getting guys to play better than their talent/or perceived limits. Examples:IT, Evan Turner, Jae Crowder (been good but really bust on to scene with Brad), Theis, Baynes

Win 56% of games and easily over 60% after the 1st season in which he had a NBADL roster.

Get to 3 EConf finals in last 4 years. Besides Celtics think only GSW and Lebrons have been that consistently good.

Up until this year been one of best defensive teams all while having smaller avg height on rosters. (Defense more than offense points to coaching).

Good at ATO, SLOBS and BLOBS. Not as good last few years but been overall one of tops in league.

During those 3 ECF teams he's had the go to guy be 3 different guys. Meaning he hasn't had a Steph, Harden, Lebron who takes his team deep every year. Done it with different casts and leaders.

The question of is Brad a good coach isn't good or to be honest an intelligent question. The right question is Brad the right coach for the Celtics moving forward. I'm not sure where I fall at the moment. I do think Brad deserves one more season after this in which he gets to practice and hopefully won't have a moving chairs of whose available.

100% -- This conversation starts and ends with Danny Ainge. He's bungled almost everything after drafting Jayson Tatum.

[greenroom31]

Spoiler:

For the posters who support Brad I’d be curious to hear what you think he does well — meaning, to merit keeping the job.

One approach I use to evaluate my reports at work is to ask: “knowing what I know about this employee, would I hire them today for their role?” If the answer is no you should be managing them to address their issues, or letting them go.

Point is, the decision to keep Brad shouldn’t just come down to the fact that he’s currently the coach. And sure we’ve had health issues but so has virtually every other team in the league. Tatum has played 60 games, Jaylen 58, and they’re our two most important guys by far.

The complaints are well documented and not just from this year. He’s a weak leader who doesn’t hold players accountable. He shows no fire. He doesn’t have a regular rotation. I mean look at today — there is zero excuse for playing Edwards in this game. Pritchard and Nesmith were both available.

Brad seems like a tremendous human being but this is the **** NBA. This isn’t about participation trophies and every kid gets a chance to play. At some point you’re either serious about winning or you’re not, and if I was Wyc I’d have real heartburn about how this year has gone.

Ok I posted in the beginning of this thread and in all honestly I'm a big Brad fan. Admittedly I'm a coach homer most likely because I am one and have been for almost 20 years. So I usually side with coaches.

I also said if Brad has "lost" the locker room and mostly Brown and Tatum he almost has to go. Maybe they need a new voice.

But I can also answer these type questions rather easy.

What has Brad done?
I think Brad has done a good job of getting guys to play better than their talent/or perceived limits. Examples:IT, Evan Turner, Jae Crowder (been good but really bust on to scene with Brad), Theis, Baynes

Win 56% of games and easily over 60% after the 1st season in which he had a NBADL roster.

Get to 3 EConf finals in last 4 years. Besides Celtics think only GSW and Lebrons have been that consistently good.

Up until this year been one of best defensive teams all while having smaller avg height on rosters. (Defense more than offense points to coaching).

Good at ATO, SLOBS and BLOBS. Not as good last few years but been overall one of tops in league.

During those 3 ECF teams he's had the go to guy be 3 different guys. Meaning he hasn't had a Steph, Harden, Lebron who takes his team deep every year. Done it with different casts and leaders.

The question of is Brad a good coach isn't good or to be honest an intelligent question. The right question is Brad the right coach for the Celtics moving forward. I'm not sure where I fall at the moment. I do think Brad deserves one more season after this in which he gets to practice and hopefully won't have a moving chairs of whose available.

Thanks for the reply and answering my question. A few players have definitely thrived under Brad though most of your examples above are not recent (IT, Evan Turner, Crowder, Baynes). I think that Brad came to the Celtics with a bunch of intrigue and hype, and established himself as a positive leader with good ATO plays and an excellent work ethic. His early (successful) teams were largely comprised of underdogs with a chip on their shoulder.

Then in 2017-18 we landed Hayward and Kyrie and while we've had plenty of talent, you could argue that the team has actually underperformed relative to talent. Since 2018-2019 it's been a borderline toxic environment, with Kyrie and Hayward at times openly unhappy. It's easy to blame everything on Kyrie, but he's been gone for 2 years and the bad vibes and lack of energy continue. At some point you have to question leadership and ask what the coaching staff is doing (or not doing) to create or allow this culture.

My take is that Brad doesn't know how to manage strong personalities and "star" players. He tries to keep everyone happy and is scared to make tough decisions. Take a guy like Tristan Thompson -- he's a try-hard vet, but he clogs the paint and can't pass or dribble. Also we had RW3 making an obvious case for more time. Instead of recognizing that and playing RW3 and moving Theis/Tristan to the bench, Brad continued to start Theis and Tristan until Ainge literally had to trade Theis away.

How much has Semi played this year? You're telling me those minutes wouldn't have been better spent getting Nesmith more run and play through his mistakes? What about Pritchard's minutes and how much time Teague was getting early this year... until Ainge had to trade him away again to keep Brad from playing him. Yesterday Brad decided to bring in Carsen out of the blue over Nesmith and Pritchard. Carsen isn't even an NBA level player and we're in the must-win stage of the season.

Even if you defend some of these individual moves, the bigger point is that the rotations are just insanely inconsistent. There's a random bag of Prichard, Nesmith, Grant, Carsen, Tremont, Semi, Kornet, Romeo, Jabari that could be picked to play at any given moment. Hell, Tacko even got called on in the 3rd quarter the other night for a decent stretch. This isn't game 5. It's game 68.

Then look at our defense. We can't stay in front of anyone on the perimeter, we don't switch or rotate particularly well and we can't defend the rim when RW3 is out. Teams regularly just switch their best scorer onto Kemba and have a field day and we have no countermove. On offense we have very little movement -- passing or motion. It's a little better when RW3 is out there, but most of the time it's just Tatum/Brown/Kemba taking turns while other guys stand by the 3pt line. How about some picks, screens, cuts? It's a super lazy offense.

So poor leadership, poor/inconsistent rotations, poor defense, poor offensive system. I view those all as reflecting on the coach personally. Not that it's ALL the coaches fault, but that a good coach should positively impact each of these areas.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

For the posters who support Brad I’d be curious to hear what you think he does well — meaning, to merit keeping the job.

One approach I use to evaluate my reports at work is to ask: “knowing what I know about this employee, would I hire them today for their role?” If the answer is no you should be managing them to address their issues, or letting them go.

Point is, the decision to keep Brad shouldn’t just come down to the fact that he’s currently the coach. And sure we’ve had health issues but so has virtually every other team in the league. Tatum has played 60 games, Jaylen 58, and they’re our two most important guys by far.

The complaints are well documented and not just from this year. He’s a weak leader who doesn’t hold players accountable. He shows no fire. He doesn’t have a regular rotation. I mean look at today — there is zero excuse for playing Edwards in this game. Pritchard and Nesmith were both available.

Brad seems like a tremendous human being but this is the **** NBA. This isn’t about participation trophies and every kid gets a chance to play. At some point you’re either serious about winning or you’re not, and if I was Wyc I’d have real heartburn about how this year has gone.

Perfection.

[Edug27]

Boston has made the Conference Finals 3 of the last 4 seasons. I don't think you get rid of Brad after one 7-seed season.

Kemba can't stay healthy.
Gordon left for nothing.
We have no bench, no depth.
Smart is still our 3 point specialist.
Theis was our only big man for much of the last couple seasons.
Dudes like Semi and Grant Williams are in the rotation.

It's probably time we put Danny on that hot seat. He might be getting a bit too relaxed there.

But no.. no one needs to get fired. Relax everyone.

[cloverleaf]

Boston has made the Conference Finals 3 of the last 4 seasons. I don't think you get rid of Brad after one 7-seed season.

Kemba can't stay healthy.
Gordon left for nothing.
We have no bench, no depth.
Smart is still our 3 point specialist.
Theis was our only big man for much of the last couple seasons.
Dudes like Semi and Grant Williams are in the rotation.

It's probably time we put Danny on that hot seat. He might be getting a bit too relaxed there.

But no.. no one needs to get fired. Relax everyone.

Two of the last three years, counting this season, have been something between epic team underachievement and epic team implosions. The first time it was pinned on certain players who were sent packing. Meanwhile vet talent has continued a multiyear exodus from the team as soon as convenient. I don't know how you don't look to the coach's record and responsibility now in that time--and presumably the GM as well.

My hunch is that just as Wyc publicly explained and then subsequently reiterated after the Perk trade didn't work out, he has had a guiding hand in a number of Danny's perceived failures: the long Stevens extension, the overnegotiating with Indy on Hayward, the Kemba deal, etc. I imagine that makes it all the harder for all three of Wyc, Danny and Brad now to take their respective slices of blame pie.

But I don't think you can overlook the vet star exodus, the overlong Stevens commitment, and the embarrassing underperformance in two of the last three years in recognizing that fundamental change is overdue.

I also have the hunch that Smart getting the first Tommy Award may have just further confirmed Jays' seeing the organization as not "getting it".