How much can we offer Drummond ?

[stan francisco]

I think Marc is going to be our starting 5 in the playoffs... That says a lot right there...

Drummond is getting his numbers, but when he does, half the team don't get theirs. It could just be a temporary situation, but, if not, I doubt we offer him a whole lot.

As a Pistons fan we witnessed this same phenomenon during his career there. It fooled a lot of fans for a long time who just looked at his stats in a vacuum; but nearly everyone came to the same conclusion. The Cavs fans reported the same.

Neither of us had nearly the star power / leadership that you guys have though. So here's hoping things end up different for you.

Hmm. Thanks for the heads up. He does take up a lot of space whenever he gets the ball, to the point where rest of team looks on as bystanders kind of thing. And although he seems the part, he is not good enough to be an offensive focal point.

Good coaching can help him define his role.

If we could get him to accept being a role player who did two things on defense (commit to team defense, and rebound); and two things on offense, (set up screen and rolls for LBJ, and rebound), that’s all we need from him. Would he be okay with that? He seems to be bright enough to get with it.

If he plays that role, the MLE can go to Drummond next season.

[Invictus88]

I think Marc is going to be our starting 5 in the playoffs... That says a lot right there...

Drummond is getting his numbers, but when he does, half the team don't get theirs. It could just be a temporary situation, but, if not, I doubt we offer him a whole lot.

As a Pistons fan we witnessed this same phenomenon during his career there. It fooled a lot of fans for a long time who just looked at his stats in a vacuum; but nearly everyone came to the same conclusion. The Cavs fans reported the same.

Neither of us had nearly the star power / leadership that you guys have though. So here's hoping things end up different for you.

Hmm. Thanks for the heads up. He does take up a lot of space whenever he gets the ball, to the point where rest of team looks on as bystanders kind of thing. And although he seems the part, he is not good enough to be an offensive focal point.

Good coaching can help him define his role.

If we could get him to accept being a role player who did two things on defense (commit to team defense, and rebound); and two things on offense, (set up screen and rolls for LBJ, and rebound), that’s all we need from him. Would he be okay with that? He seems to be bright enough to get with it.

If he plays that role, the MLE can go to Drummond next season.

He definitely wasn't willing to do that for Detroit. I didn't pay close enough attention in Cleveland although I do know they were dissatisfied with him there. He always had his eyes set on another 20+ million per year contract when he was with Detroit as well. For the longest time he had designs on being a stretch big and would hoist the most ugly shots from range. When I last checked he was still unwilling to do very basic things that his game would benefit greatly from (e.g. box out for rebounds).

What he needed the most was just a big reality check -- both in terms of playing to his strengths and the value of the center position in today's NBA.

Hopefully the incredibly strong personalities of LeBron and AD can help reign him in and maybe he will finally realize that what he's actually worth when there are no takers for him in free agency. A Drummond who finally swallows his pride on both fronts would be a fantastic asset. I hope he gets there for you.

[BEazy]

I would be okay keeping Drummond for the mMLE (we can only offer that to him). If he can just focus on the things he does well, he'll earn a spot here. I'm having Kwame flashbacks with his brick hands though. Hope that gets better.

[Slava]

I don't understand why anyone wants him to stay. Chris Paul put him in spin cycle every time he hunted that match up on the pick n roll that Vogel had to pull his sorry ass out and insert Gasol in there. He misses bunnies at the rim while he has a seal on his man. Getting him on board and then marginalizing Gasol is one of the many weird decisions Vogel and the front office made this season.

[stan francisco]

I would be okay keeping Drummond for the mMLE (we can only offer that to him). If he can just focus on the things he does well, he'll earn a spot here. I'm having Kwame flashbacks with his brick hands though. Hope that gets better.

Damn. You’re right.

[stan francisco]

I don't understand why anyone wants him to stay. Chris Paul put him in spin cycle every time he hunted that match up on the pick n roll that Vogel had to pull his sorry ass out and insert Gasol in there. He misses bunnies at the rim while he has a seal on his man. Getting him on board and then marginalizing Gasol is one of the many weird decisions Vogel and the front office made this season.

I’d think as a coach Frank has to give him the fair chance no matter if he wants to or not. And, there’s no denying Drummond’s potential physical impact on the game if he can focus on the small things, like boxing out and rebounding and protecting the paint according to the team defense scheme. If he does that, he’s worth the MLE.

Then again, if he has Kwame’s hands ...

[BEazy]

MUUUUCH better from Dre Drum. Games like this are the reason why I changed my mind about him.

[Beethoven]

The thing about Drummond is that I realize he doesn't practice his drills with focus.

I saw a couple of clips of him making catch and shoot around the rim or laying up with a player coach, and what I noticed is that he doesn't focus on the minutiae or the fine details of his movements or what he is trying to do. He was doing a drill maybe a couple dozen times or so, but each time, it looked like he was just more so going through the motions rather than focusing on what he needed to adjust or calibrate.

I see AD and Lebron and Kobe have practiced drills but in a manner of obsessive focus on each detailed movement. That is why they are so precise in their actual game when there are defenders around them.

I believe this is the reason you see Drummond always fumbling catches underneath the basket and cannot finish around the rim. He is solely depending on his physical gift, talent, and whatever skills he may have acquired in his first few years, and remained the same throughout.

[stan francisco]

I would be okay keeping Drummond for the mMLE (we can only offer that to him). If he can just focus on the things he does well, he'll earn a spot here. I'm having Kwame flashbacks with his brick hands though. Hope that gets better.

Damn. You’re right.

This is so true. I could barely watch DreDrum yesterday without seeing Kwame 2.0. Mr Drummond, please prove him wrong, sir.

[Beethoven]

If Drummond doesnt take the mid level exception type of contract, what are the chances we can get Kelly Olynyk next year as a replacement?

[Doug_12]

At this point of time offering him the MLE would be absurd. I'd offer the vet. min though as we need insurance on the C spot and him considering it is not completely irrational. At the end Whiteside took the vet. min from a team who didn't have a slight chance of making the Playoffs. Playing in a winning team is always better, because if you figure things out, people will immediately believe that you can contribute...

[fteru6uhre54ew]

If he want the minimum like right now... but this team need a solid starting center the MLE should be for a better center than can give you at least what the centers brought to the table last year

[Eric Bieniemy]

They should trade him for a piece they need. If not, they should just let him walk.

On another note, Davis should be the starting center and Gasol and Morris should back him up.

[stan francisco]

They should trade him for a piece they need. If not, they should just let him walk.

On another note, Davis should be the starting center and Gasol and Morris should back him up.

I think we should sign and trade Drummond and Schröder the same day the season is over. I’d include Kuzma and Matthews in those talks, too.

Davis came here on the very condition we would not overuse him at C. Why? He’s a glass man, gets more injured by bigs than by wings. Yes, every Laker fan n the world agrees with you; AD is the best C in the game.

[Frank Dux]

I don't even want him on a minimum deal. This turd came to the Lakers with an agenda, and demanding a starting position. He along with Dennis Schröder poisoned the locker room, put Vogel in a tough spot, and changed the identity of this team. Hard pass on both of those bozos.

I can't believe posters here want to use the MLE on him. We need an impact guy with that.

[Eric Bieniemy]

They should trade him for a piece they need. If not, they should just let him walk.

On another note, Davis should be the starting center and Gasol and Morris should back him up.

I think we should sign and trade Drummond and Schröder the same day the season is over. I’d include Kuzma and Matthews in those talks, too.

Davis came here on the very condition we would not overuse him at C. Why? He’s a glass man, gets more injured by bigs than by wings. Yes, every Laker fan n the world agrees with you; AD is the best C in the game.

I don't disagree with you about Davis, but isn't that a classic case of the inmates running the asylum?

He's already signed on the dotted line. Are the Lakers afraid that Davis will ask to be traded if he is named starting center?

[scoobs07]

They should trade him for a piece they need. If not, they should just let him walk.

On another note, Davis should be the starting center and Gasol and Morris should back him up.

I think we should sign and trade Drummond and Schröder the same day the season is over. I’d include Kuzma and Matthews in those talks, too.

Davis came here on the very condition we would not overuse him at C. Why? He’s a glass man, gets more injured by bigs than by wings. Yes, every Laker fan n the world agrees with you; AD is the best C in the game.

I don't disagree with you about Davis, but isn't that a classic case of the inmates running the asylum?

He's already signed on the dotted line. Are the Lakers afraid that Davis will ask to be traded if he is named starting center?

AD really should be playing center. He and LBJ should not be the ones jacking up threes. They need to be surrounded by high-volume three-point shooters. Shroeder doesn't cut it, a timid KCP doesn't cut it, and a non-shooter such as Drummond next to AD also doesn't cut it. I am actually in favor of an AD for Lillard swap, even though Lillard is three years older.

[zuju]

Instead of drummond, I really want someone like mo bamba to pair with AD. I would put larry nance and Tristan Thompson, who I preferred last season over Harrell, to the list.

Besides, I wouldn't mind keep Drummond on the cheap. Give him and the coaching staff an offseason to mesh him into the squard. He still seems to be eager grab the chance to play as a lakers.

Gasol is still useful. His positioning , 3 pt shot, passing are top tier in the league. Being able to take on the bigger centers is a big plus which we did not face in playoff.

I still want Morris back as back up of AD. We have to limit AD's minute to around 30 min / game.

Bye bye to Harrell. May anyone tell me if Harrell walks, whether we can sign another one for MLE ?

[LAKESHOW]

We've had too many damn changes to the team. Too much overhaul. We killed chemistry. Now that is not the total story, because we never had a single solid lineup the whole year. But I would've liked to have seen last years crew, Rondo, dg, etc at least given the chance to run it back. But again, all would've, could've should've cannot be totally tested due to injury year

[tugs]

I want Mitch Rob