Trade Talk (Part Six)

[Note30]

Would you give MEM the #3 and Culver for JJJ?

Great fit, but coming off injury and we’d have to determine the contract for 2022.

I had proposed something around JJJ earlier but after closer inspection he is certainly made of glass.

[Note30]

The Wolves have a quality big 3 in the making. Edwards, Towns and Russell. Those who are talking about trading any of those three is ridiculous and its one of the many reason why this franchise stay in a hole. The focus needs to be coaching staff and finding quality veteran role players that fit the big 3 and system.

Use the draft pick and the young players as trade bait to get quality and the right veteran role players. Trade down in the draft.

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You don’t trade a top three pick in a four person draft for role players. You just don’t. Especially when all three of Cade, Mobley, and Suggs provide skills this team needs.

I’m still not convinced our “big three” will ever be championship level, especially DLo.

Outside of Cade Cunningham I just don't see it. Those other three to four players don't seem like stars. Although this might be a topic better suited to a draft thread.

Dlo will never be a championship caliber player in relation to how much he is paid.

Towns is a maybe, but only because this league has like 10 good centers.

[twix2500]

Swap 1st round draft picks with Houston and get a future draft pick from Houston.

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[Worm Guts]

Swap 1st round draft picks with Houston and get a future draft pick from Houston.

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What pick are we assuming Houston gets? I can't imagine they would be willing to swap down in this trade.

[SO_MONEY]

The Wolves have a quality big 3 in the making. Edwards, Towns and Russell. Those who are talking about trading any of those three is ridiculous and its one of the many reason why this franchise stay in a hole. The focus needs to be coaching staff and finding quality veteran role players that fit the big 3 and system.

Use the draft pick and the young players as trade bait to get quality and the right veteran role players. Trade down in the draft.

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You don’t trade a top three pick in a four person draft for role players. You just don’t. Especially when all three of Cade, Mobley, and Suggs provide skills this team needs.

I’m still not convinced our “big three” will ever be championship level, especially DLo.

You can not keep delaying building a title contender around Towns because you want to spend years developing young players. This franchise keep going into circles. Build properly around Edwards , Russell and Towns and let them prove themselves. It's time to stop looking for some teenager massiah that leads the franchise to the promise land. You win with 27 year olds and older.

You got to let them fail or succeed multiple years.

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Building properly around KAT, DLo and Edwards means keeping the pick. Full stop.

[Note30]

Swap 1st round draft picks with Houston and get a future draft pick from Houston.

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Houston is not giving up a 20-10 guy for two or three draft spots, and no way in hell are we getting a pick.

[Note30]

You don’t trade a top three pick in a four person draft for role players. You just don’t. Especially when all three of Cade, Mobley, and Suggs provide skills this team needs.

I’m still not convinced our “big three” will ever be championship level, especially DLo.

You can not keep delaying building a title contender around Towns because you want to spend years developing young players. This franchise keep going into circles. Build properly around Edwards , Russell and Towns and let them prove themselves. It's time to stop looking for some teenager massiah that leads the franchise to the promise land. You win with 27 year olds and older.

You got to let them fail or succeed multiple years.

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Building properly around KAT, DLo and Edwards means keeping the pick. Full stop.

What if we don't want to build around Dlo, instead only KAT and Edwards?

[shrink]

Houston is not giving up a 20-10 guy for two or three draft spots, and no way in hell are we getting a pick.

It really would depend on which pick we had.

I think there is a huge gap between 1 and 4. Likewise, a huge gap between 3 and 6.

I’m not saying anything about the value of Christian Wood, but HOU knows you don’t win without superstars, and you might find one with a top three pick.

[Note30]

Houston is not giving up a 20-10 guy for two or three draft spots, and no way in hell are we getting a pick.

It really would depend on which pick we had.

I think there is a huge gap between 1 and 4. Likewise, a huge gap between 3 and 6.

I’m not saying anything about the value of Christian Wood, but HOU knows you don’t win without superstars, and you might find one with a top three pick.

No way a rebuilding team gives up a future pick. Cade Cunnigham isn't Lebron.

I see your point tho.

[shrink]

Building properly around KAT, DLo and Edwards means keeping the pick. Full stop.

This is where I’m at. The key is to get as much talent on the floor.

In addition, no one talks enough about the value of having very talented players on rookie scale deals. With so much salary (and flexibility) locked into max deals with Towns and DLo, I don’t think we should consider trading the pick for most gettable max deal guys, like John Collins, or many of the other names we see here. If you added Cade Cunningham, you may not be as good in Season 1 as adding a star, but your ceiling may be higher, and you greatly lengthened your window. The pick effectively has at least seven years of team control, and KAT isn’t going to ask off a team with Edwards and Cade.

[Note30]

Building properly around KAT, DLo and Edwards means keeping the pick. Full stop.

This is where I’m at. The key is to get as much talent on the floor.

In addition, no one talks enough about the value of having very talented players on rookie scale deals. With so much salary (and flexibility) locked into max deals with Towns and DLo, I don’t think we should consider trading the pick for most gettable max deal guys, like John Collins, or many of the other names we see here. If you added Cade Cunningham, you may not be as good in Season 1 as adding a star, but your ceiling may be higher, and you greatly lengthened your window. The pick effectively has at least seven years of team control, and KAT isn’t going to ask off a team with Edwards and Cade.

Worst case you flip the #1 pick in a year and get the role players you want.

Although lets be honest, who actually thinks we're getting number 1?

Although if we do, Cunnigham is the pick.

You have to get rid of DLo tho. See if the Pels will do a swap for Lonzo Ball.

Ball / Needs: Can run an offense and play defense
Edwards / Beasley
Cunnigham / McDaniels
Towns / Needs: Defensive Player
Needs: Defensive Anchor / Reid

Trade Rubio, Vanderbilt, Okogie, Juancho, Culver, the rights to Bolmaro, Nowell, for what you can get in spare parts.

PG: Rondo (MLE), Reggie Jackson (MLE), (trade for) Smart, Murray,Campazzo
C: Shortlist: (trade for) Poeltl, Favors, Baynes
Backup 4: Stick with Vando, trade?

[Klomp]

What if we don't want to build around Dlo, instead only KAT and Edwards?

Who is we? There has been zero buzz around the team that this seems to be the case.

[Note30]

What if we don't want to build around Dlo, instead only KAT and Edwards?

Who is we? There has been zero buzz around the team that this seems to be the case.

We as fans. This whole forum is dedicated to hypotheticals...

There's been plenty of buzz on this forum about how DLO is a bad fit and will not lead us to be a playoff or championship team.

[Klomp]

What if we don't want to build around Dlo, instead only KAT and Edwards?

Who is we? There has been zero buzz around the team that this seems to be the case.

We as fans. This whole forum is dedicated to hypotheticals...

There's been plenty of buzz on this forum about how DLO is a bad fit and will not lead us to be a playoff or championship team.

Fair point. I guess I'd rather base my hypotheticals on what I think the team will do instead of basing them on what I think fans want to do.

[Neeva]

Wood is overated, empty stats dude.

[wolves_89]

Would you give MEM the #3 and Culver for JJJ?

Great fit, but coming off injury and we’d have to determine the contract for 2022.

Definitely not, I'd much rather keep the pick. The player picked at #3 will have a higher upside than JJJ, will be on their rookie deal 3 years longer, and there won't be the massive health concerns that JJJ brings. It seems like a pretty easy choice to draft the best player available at #3 and call it a day.

[old school 34]

Building properly around KAT, DLo and Edwards means keeping the pick. Full stop.

This is where I’m at. The key is to get as much talent on the floor.

In addition, no one talks enough about the value of having very talented players on rookie scale deals. With so much salary (and flexibility) locked into max deals with Towns and DLo, I don’t think we should consider trading the pick for most gettable max deal guys, like John Collins, or many of the other names we see here. If you added Cade Cunningham, you may not be as good in Season 1 as adding a star, but your ceiling may be higher, and you greatly lengthened your window. The pick effectively has at least seven years of team control, and KAT isn’t going to ask off a team with Edwards and Cade.

This is where I'm at as well...I don't expect to keep the pick...but if we buck the odds & keep a top 3 pick...that guy is going to be part of my core & it's Rosas job to get the right guy there. I don't see a super star becoming available. Take your rook & the rook contract & reallocate your other vet contracts as needed to continue to balance roster as needed.

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[Klomp]

Building properly around KAT, DLo and Edwards means keeping the pick. Full stop.

This is where I’m at. The key is to get as much talent on the floor.

In addition, no one talks enough about the value of having very talented players on rookie scale deals. With so much salary (and flexibility) locked into max deals with Towns and DLo, I don’t think we should consider trading the pick for most gettable max deal guys, like John Collins, or many of the other names we see here. If you added Cade Cunningham, you may not be as good in Season 1 as adding a star, but your ceiling may be higher, and you greatly lengthened your window. The pick effectively has at least seven years of team control, and KAT isn’t going to ask off a team with Edwards and Cade.

This was why I asked in another thread if keeping pick meant more likely a big trade might happen. Part of me could see Rosas having this mentality. Whereas no pick could mean they feel the need to make a jolt.

[gandlogo]

How about Culver for the Rockets' first rounder from the Blazers? Should be around 22 overall. Grab Day'Ron Sharpe from UNC as the third big to replace Davis and give the Wolves some interior toughness. The kid is relentless on the glass at both ends.

[jpatrick]

How about Culver for the Rockets' first rounder from the Blazers? Should be around 22 overall. Grab Day'Ron Sharpe from UNC as the third big to replace Davis and give the Wolves some interior toughness. The kid is relentless on the glass at both ends.

I would be shocked if you could get any first rounder for Culver. I don’t even think you could give him away to a team with cap space at the moment without taking salary back.