2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[Fat Kat]

Any Intel on David Duke?

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He should start going by Dave. It would help his draft stock

Why should this kid change his name just because that other David Duke sucks as a human being?

You’re a peculiar individual. Not only was it a joke, but that wouldn’t be him changing his name. Carry on

[Nazrmohamed]

tankathon has us taking cooper + Duarte right now. I wouldn’t be mad at that scenario.

Cooper technically is the most talent guard if he’s still on board in the 20s. Jared butler would be my alternative

His age sucks but Chris Duarte is also probably the smartest move to make with the next pick based on what your getting for the range your picking in. 6”6 Two way player solid defender, solid shooter, underrated passing, nba ready body, capable scorer off the dribble. Checks a lot of boxers but his draft age is going to be 24yrs old.

They have us taking trey Murphy 2nd round big fan of that pick. 6”9 3/D wing.

Cooper, Duarte, Murphy + a big man to stash away in the G-league isn’t a bad draft at all

I wouldn't be mad at that either. I'm just concerned (very concerned) about Duarte's age. I wouldn't be so hesitant to take him if it wasn't for Obi.

I like Cooper a lot, but I'd rather have Ayo. At this point it looks like both might be available with one (or both) of our picks. Perfect spot for us to land a talented future PG. If the draft plays out and both are available, we better snag one of them. I'll be pretty pissed if we don't.

Yeah he will be 24 by the time he gets drafted the difference though is obi was drafted top 10 as a 23 yr old and was expected to be a one of the best in the draft. Duarte would be getting drafted in the 20s and could be a quality role player that can be a key contributor. (See Desmond bane (Memphis) 22yrs old pick 30), (Celtics Pritchard 23 yrs old), raptors malachi Flynn 22yrs old pick 29). Duarte’s age is more alarming if we were drafting him in the lottery or even late teens but for a guy getting drafted range 20+ and what he brings to the table why not? He could easily be a burks replacement on a rookie deal

As for cooper like I said I’m not huge on him but if he is still on board in the 20s I don’t mind taking a swing at it. We are dead at point guard and this guy IMO is the most talented I won’t say he is the best fit I think fit wise Jared butler or dosunmu are better fits but I have cooper as the better talent With the higher ceiling (I doubt he even falls this far to begin with) his stock is lottery-late lottery. Dosunmu is more realistic

Yeah I think Duartes a guy nobody is ever gonna give you Kudos for drafting nor will he come in and set the world on fire but you can plug and play him anywhere. He reminds me to some extent of Klay Thompson. Age definitely matters but I don't think we're in the stage as a team as we were when trying to rebuild and hit a home run in potential. Find me guys who can play, and when thinking of how we play, what we want to enhance in terms of weaknesses and strengths, Duarte checks alot of boxes.

-great defense
-great shooter(not just in box but the way he sets up shots, counters closeouts ect.)
-Not how he'll make his living but he can put the ball on the floor and attack
-solid positional passer
- hussles

I can't help but think Thibs would fall in love with him as a player. If he's 1 of 2 players we get and the other of the 2 were Butler or Ayo I think I'd be ecstatic with how our draft went. Plug and play

[Nazrmohamed]

wow bouknight dropped again in DX's big board. now #20

this is my ideal draft

Knicks pick: James Bouknight
Dallas pick: Charles Bassey
2nd round pick: Bones Hyland
2-way contract/g league: David Duke

Wasserman dropped Bouknight to #24 and KOC has him at #21

really hope he's available when we pick. I don't know why he's supposedly falling, but idc if he does. love his skillset as a 3 level scorer, which is what we need

I also like Mann, Thomas, Christopher as other scorers from this draft

Yeah well he got alittle bit overrated on the mocks. Probably more of a late teens value. I'm really coming around now to seeing how this draft is stacked and I know I'm late to the party but part of it was I'd look at guys a month ago who were ranked from 10-20 and they didn't look too hot, in fact some guys I valued more in the late 1st/early second. I started second guessing myself thinking "half these guys suck and then maybe I'm overeating the latter guys".

Well now it seems things are falling into place where some upperclassmen are being valued. It's shaking out better.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I wouldn't be mad at that either. I'm just concerned (very concerned) about Duarte's age. I wouldn't be so hesitant to take him if it wasn't for Obi.

I like Cooper a lot, but I'd rather have Ayo. At this point it looks like both might be available with one (or both) of our picks. Perfect spot for us to land a talented future PG. If the draft plays out and both are available, we better snag one of them. I'll be pretty pissed if we don't.

Yeah he will be 24 by the time he gets drafted the difference though is obi was drafted top 10 as a 23 yr old and was expected to be a one of the best in the draft. Duarte would be getting drafted in the 20s and could be a quality role player that can be a key contributor. (See Desmond bane (Memphis) 22yrs old pick 30), (Celtics Pritchard 23 yrs old), raptors malachi Flynn 22yrs old pick 29). Duarte’s age is more alarming if we were drafting him in the lottery or even late teens but for a guy getting drafted range 20+ and what he brings to the table why not? He could easily be a burks replacement on a rookie deal

As for cooper like I said I’m not huge on him but if he is still on board in the 20s I don’t mind taking a swing at it. We are dead at point guard and this guy IMO is the most talented I won’t say he is the best fit I think fit wise Jared butler or dosunmu are better fits but I have cooper as the better talent With the higher ceiling (I doubt he even falls this far to begin with) his stock is lottery-late lottery. Dosunmu is more realistic

Yeah I think Duartes a guy nobody is ever gonna give you Kudos for drafting nor will he come in and set the world on fire but you can plug and play him anywhere. He reminds me to some extent of Klay Thompson. Age definitely matters but I don't think we're in the stage as a team as we were when trying to rebuild and hit a home run in potential. Find me guys who can play, and when thinking of how we play, what we want to enhance in terms of weaknesses and strengths, Duarte checks alot of boxes.

-great defense
-great shooter(not just in box but the way he sets up shots, counters closeouts ect.)
-Not how he'll make his living but he can put the ball on the floor and attack
-solid positional passer
- hussles

I can't help but think Thibs would fall in love with him as a player. If he's 1 of 2 players we get and the other of the 2 were Butler or Ayo I think I'd be ecstatic with how our draft went. Plug and play

Yea, Duarte may seem a little boring but he looks like he can be a solid player that can do a lot of things every team needs. I would take that with a mid to late first. Seems like another one of those upper classmen that may slip due to age/perceived upside but carves out a nice role in the league for years.

[Celo]

Meh, wouldn't really like our draft if it should go the way Wass mocked it.

Don't get me wrong, Tre Mann is a good player, and I wouldn't mind him on our team. His footwork getting to his jump shot out of various situations is remarkable. But the question I have is can he be more than Pull-Up shooter in the NBA? Because if the answer is no, why wouldn't you then rather draft someone like Bones with our 2nd round pick and then swing for a wing with our first rounder(s)? Like using them to trade up for someone like Giddey as mentioned. Or go for my (at the moment ) favourite Springer, who obviously isn't the shooter Tre is, but has more ways to become a positive contributor in the NBA.

Defensively, Tre probably will be a negative, at least in his rookie contract. While he's capable of making the simple read, I still question his playmaking potential. Especially when at times he was rather taking difficult shots than taking what the defense would give him. But the thing that worries me mostly is if he'll be able to get to the rim in the NBA at a high enough clip. And even if he does, will he be able to convert at a solid clip or at least draw a high enough amount of fouls? I felt like this were some weaknesses in his game, because he doesn't have the athleticism of a Bouk or the physicality of a Springer for example.

I get why some people are really high on Tre. In some games you really wonder how he could be available in the 20s. Those are just some questions that I personally have, and why I'd rather prefer other players than him. But definitely wouldn't hate the pick!

[Fat]

I wouldn't be mad at that either. I'm just concerned (very concerned) about Duarte's age. I wouldn't be so hesitant to take him if it wasn't for Obi.

I like Cooper a lot, but I'd rather have Ayo. At this point it looks like both might be available with one (or both) of our picks. Perfect spot for us to land a talented future PG. If the draft plays out and both are available, we better snag one of them. I'll be pretty pissed if we don't.

Yeah he will be 24 by the time he gets drafted the difference though is obi was drafted top 10 as a 23 yr old and was expected to be a one of the best in the draft. Duarte would be getting drafted in the 20s and could be a quality role player that can be a key contributor. (See Desmond bane (Memphis) 22yrs old pick 30), (Celtics Pritchard 23 yrs old), raptors malachi Flynn 22yrs old pick 29). Duarte’s age is more alarming if we were drafting him in the lottery or even late teens but for a guy getting drafted range 20+ and what he brings to the table why not? He could easily be a burks replacement on a rookie deal

As for cooper like I said I’m not huge on him but if he is still on board in the 20s I don’t mind taking a swing at it. We are dead at point guard and this guy IMO is the most talented I won’t say he is the best fit I think fit wise Jared butler or dosunmu are better fits but I have cooper as the better talent With the higher ceiling (I doubt he even falls this far to begin with) his stock is lottery-late lottery. Dosunmu is more realistic

Yeah I think Duartes a guy nobody is ever gonna give you Kudos for drafting nor will he come in and set the world on fire but you can plug and play him anywhere. He reminds me to some extent of Klay Thompson. Age definitely matters but I don't think we're in the stage as a team as we were when trying to rebuild and hit a home run in potential. Find me guys who can play, and when thinking of how we play, what we want to enhance in terms of weaknesses and strengths, Duarte checks alot of boxes.

-great defense
-great shooter(not just in box but the way he sets up shots, counters closeouts ect.)
-Not how he'll make his living but he can put the ball on the floor and attack
-solid positional passer
- hussles

I can't help but think Thibs would fall in love with him as a player. If he's 1 of 2 players we get and the other of the 2 were Butler or Ayo I think I'd be ecstatic with how our draft went. Plug and play

I’d still want the Knicks to go after a higher upside player at some point in the draft though. If your first round draft is butler or dosunmu + Duarte im at least shooting for the stars with that early 2nd rounder and drafting hyland, Jt Thor, isiah Todd , Boston jr etc etc.

[Sethaholic16]

Just a fun exercise, but I've been keeping a record of my personal draft choices (vs what the Knicks selected) going all the way back to 2008.

Some obvious misses (Winslow over KP, Wolters over THJ, Melton over Mitch). But I hit an absolute home run on Jokic (yes, I really did want Jokic and was screaming at the TV for Phil to pick Jokic), and outperformed on several other choices on Bridges, Haliburton, Monk. Just wanted to throw this out there. Thoughts on my performance?

Year Pick Knicks Picked My Choice
2020 8 Obi Toppin Tyrese Haliburton
2020 25 Immanual Quickley Paul Reed
2019 3 RJ Barrett RJ Barrett
2019 47 Iggy Brazdeikas Shamorie Ponds
2018 9 Kevin Knox Mikal Bridges
2018 36 Mitchell Robinson De'Anthony Melton
2017 8 Frank Ntilikina Malik Monk
2017 44 Damyean Dotson Sindarius Thornwell
2015 4 Kristaps Porziņģis Justise Winslow
2014 34 Cleanthony Early Nikola Jokic
2014 51 Thanasis Antetokounmpo Vasilije Micic
2013 24 Tim Hardaway Nate Wolters
2012 48 Kostas Papanikolaou Kostas Papanikolaou
2011 17 Iman Shumpert Kenneth Faried
2010 38 Andy Rautins Jarvis Varnado
2010 39 Landry Fields Tiny Gallon
2009 8 Jordan Hill James Johnson
2009 29 Toney Douglas Dejuan Blair
2008 6 Danilo Gallinari Eric Gordon

[EMG518]

Just a fun exercise, but I've been keeping a record of my personal draft choices (vs what the Knicks selected) going all the way back to 2008.

Some obvious misses (Winslow over KP, Wolters over THJ, Melton over Mitch). But I hit an absolute home run on Jokic (yes, I really did want Jokic and was screaming at the TV for Phil to pick Jokic), and outperformed on several other choices on Bridges, Haliburton, Monk. Just wanted to throw this out there. Thoughts on my performance?

Year Pick Knicks Picked My Choice
2020 8 Obi Toppin Tyrese Haliburton
2020 25 Immanual Quickley Paul Reed
2019 3 RJ Barrett RJ Barrett
2019 47 Iggy Brazdeikas Shamorie Ponds
2018 9 Kevin Knox Mikal Bridges
2018 36 Mitchell Robinson De'Anthony Melton
2017 8 Frank Ntilikina Malik Monk
2017 44 Damyean Dotson Sindarius Thornwell
2015 4 Kristaps Porziņģis Justise Winslow
2014 34 Cleanthony Early Nikola Jokic
2014 51 Thanasis Antetokounmpo Vasilije Micic
2013 24 Tim Hardaway Nate Wolters
2012 48 Kostas Papanikolaou Kostas Papanikolaou
2011 17 Iman Shumpert Kenneth Faried
2010 38 Andy Rautins Jarvis Varnado
2010 39 Landry Fields Tiny Gallon
2009 8 Jordan Hill James Johnson
2009 29 Toney Douglas Dejuan Blair
2008 6 Danilo Gallinari Eric Gordon

I think out drafting the Knicks franchise isn't saying much honestly. The Jokic pick puts you up there for drafting with the other picks. Without the Jokic pick its still above average but not the same level as with that pick.

My picks from what I remember

Year Pick Knicks Picked My Choice
2020 8 Obi Toppin Tyrese Haliburton
2020 25 Immanual Quickley Malachi Flynn
2019 3 RJ Barrett I wanted to trade up for Morant, trade back, or trade out. Did not want to pick at 3.
2019 47 Iggy Brazdeikas Don't remember
2018 9 Kevin Knox Mikal Bridges
2018 36 Mitchell Robinson Mitchell Robinson
2017 8 Frank Ntilikina Donovan Mitchell
2017 44 Damyean Dotson Dillon Brooks
2015 4 Kristaps Porziņģis Emmanuel Mudiay


From the guys listed on the poll, I am the only vote for Sharife Cooper.

[8516knicks]

Don't get all the Bouknight love. Did Uconn do anything? Did he? Maybe he's the new Lamb. Anyone here lusting for Lamb? We need a point guard or a stretch big. Giddey or ??? But like someone posted, our chances at Giddy have Giddyapped. Why are we lusting for IQ's sub?

[cgf]

Don't get all the Bouknight love. Did Uconn do anything? Did he? Maybe he's the new Lamb. Anyone here lusting for Lamb? We need a point guard or a stretch big. Giddey or ??? But like someone posted, our chances at Giddy have Giddyapped. Why are we lusting for IQ's sub?

What did Donovan Mitchell win in college?

[8516knicks]

Don't get all the Bouknight love. Did Uconn do anything? Did he? Maybe he's the new Lamb. Anyone here lusting for Lamb? We need a point guard or a stretch big. Giddey or ??? But like someone posted, our chances at Giddy have Giddyapped. Why are we lusting for IQ's sub?

What did Donovan Mitchell win in college?

What has he won in the NBA? Is Bouknight his brother? Are they a package deal? Not sure what Mitchel has to do with Bouknight.

[bleedblue3303]

Overall I'm an OK GM not great but not awful. Not sure I would have lasted long enough though

2020 OBi Toppin/Obi Toppin. IQ/TyrellTerry
2019. RJ/RJ.
2018 Knox/Michael Porter Jr. (was furious after this draft as I thought MPJ was worth the risk)
I also loved the Mitchell Robinson Pick. (This year I would have made a great GM.)
2017. Frank/Frank (But was also happy if we took Mitchell. But where we were drafting I was ok with Frank.)
2016 no picks
2015 Porzinigs/Mario Hezonja. (I probably would have been fired for this one. But I feel in love with his work out video and thought his shot was perfect.)
2013 THJ/Archie Goodwin. (Another year. I would have crapped out.)
2011 Iman Shumpert/Marshon Brooks
2010. Rautins and Fields/. I wanted Lance Stevenson and Solomon Alabi
2009. Jordan Hill/Brandon Jennings. I still believe Jennings starting his career in Dantoni’s offense would have changed his entire career. He would have been a star. No proof of this but I was so mad that draft.
2008. Gallo/Anthony Randolph I’m noticing a trend I love potential. Hahaha

[NewKnicks]

I wouldn't be mad at that either. I'm just concerned (very concerned) about Duarte's age. I wouldn't be so hesitant to take him if it wasn't for Obi.

I like Cooper a lot, but I'd rather have Ayo. At this point it looks like both might be available with one (or both) of our picks. Perfect spot for us to land a talented future PG. If the draft plays out and both are available, we better snag one of them. I'll be pretty pissed if we don't.

Yeah he will be 24 by the time he gets drafted the difference though is obi was drafted top 10 as a 23 yr old and was expected to be a one of the best in the draft. Duarte would be getting drafted in the 20s and could be a quality role player that can be a key contributor. (See Desmond bane (Memphis) 22yrs old pick 30), (Celtics Pritchard 23 yrs old), raptors malachi Flynn 22yrs old pick 29). Duarte’s age is more alarming if we were drafting him in the lottery or even late teens but for a guy getting drafted range 20+ and what he brings to the table why not? He could easily be a burks replacement on a rookie deal

As for cooper like I said I’m not huge on him but if he is still on board in the 20s I don’t mind taking a swing at it. We are dead at point guard and this guy IMO is the most talented I won’t say he is the best fit I think fit wise Jared butler or dosunmu are better fits but I have cooper as the better talent With the higher ceiling (I doubt he even falls this far to begin with) his stock is lottery-late lottery. Dosunmu is more realistic

Yeah I think Duartes a guy nobody is ever gonna give you Kudos for drafting nor will he come in and set the world on fire but you can plug and play him anywhere. He reminds me to some extent of Klay Thompson. Age definitely matters but I don't think we're in the stage as a team as we were when trying to rebuild and hit a home run in potential. Find me guys who can play, and when thinking of how we play, what we want to enhance in terms of weaknesses and strengths, Duarte checks alot of boxes.

-great defense
-great shooter(not just in box but the way he sets up shots, counters closeouts ect.)
-Not how he'll make his living but he can put the ball on the floor and attack
-solid positional passer
- hussles

I can't help but think Thibs would fall in love with him as a player. If he's 1 of 2 players we get and the other of the 2 were Butler or Ayo I think I'd be ecstatic with how our draft went. Plug and play

But Hall of Fame player Klay Thompson though? That's a bit much.

[TBri1974]

With three selections, I could see us taking a shot at Prakcin. Seems like he could develop into a Andrei Korilenko type of player, which would be phenomenal for us. On the downside, I could see him being something of an Obi Toppin clone. Regardless, a very talented big who can play both forward spots and may drop in the draft.

I half wonder if we don't end up with Kentucky standouts BJ Boston as one of our two 1st rounders and Isiah Jackson in the early second round...

[jvsimonetti0514]

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[cgf]

Don't get all the Bouknight love. Did Uconn do anything? Did he? Maybe he's the new Lamb. Anyone here lusting for Lamb? We need a point guard or a stretch big. Giddey or ??? But like someone posted, our chances at Giddy have Giddyapped. Why are we lusting for IQ's sub?

What did Donovan Mitchell win in college?

What has he won in the NBA? Is Bouknight his brother? Are they a package deal? Not sure what Mitchel has to do with Bouknight.

Bouknight has a lot of the things going for him as a prospect that Mitchell & Booker did, that's why I questioned what UConn's record had to do with Bouknight's qualities as a prospect...which, in general, is something that people just put way too much stock into when assessing prospects. The question is what these kids can & are likely to become, not what they are now.

Not saying Bouknight's a guaranteed star, but that potential to be the next Lavine/Booker is definitely there; which is where the love for him comes from. His athleticism & potential to become a high-level shot-maker at all 3 levels are absolutely exciting, even if I'm not driving his bandwagon...as Ziaire is my favorite upside-play, while I'd like to use our other first & the Pistons SRP on safer bets like Jared Butler & Trey Murphy.

[newyorker4ever]

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Here’s another Wasserman mock draft. He has us drafting Tre Mann, BJ Boston, Josh Primo, and some French big. This also like the 4th or 5th time I’ve seen him linking us to Josh Giddey this time as a potential trade up. I wonder if that’s just him linking us with a playmaker or he’s actually hearing rumors we like him. He does have connection with a lot of teams in the league so I wouldn’t be shocked if this is real intel.

Now my thought of this mock. I love Tre Mann and think he’d be the perfect replacement for Burks and maybe even Bullock. It does have Bouknight at 18 would be an easy trade up to get him if we liked him but Tre is a better shooter and playmaker than Bouknight without that same explosiveness. I think I’d rather keep the assets that move up cuz IMO Mann does 90% of what Bouknight can do. I don’t like Boston and all but Wasserman does mention BJ Boston shot over 40% from three over his last 10 games. Now I definitely think that makes Boston more intriguing but I don’t think I would draft him there tbh. Especially with the pick after us being Alperen Sengun. I’m actually super high on this guy cuz he’s an elite post up guy with solid playmaking chops. We’ll probably see some people compare him to Joker. I don’t see that but with his touch I could see him at least developing into a stretch big. If Boston was there with our Detroit pick, I’d much rather draft him there. I actually don’t know anything about Josh Primo to even comment on him.

I would love to trade up for Giddey but if the draft fell this way and we did no trading up then i'm good with taking T.Mann at #20 then i'm taking Chris Duarte at #23 and then i'm taking that Johnny Juzang at #32. The kid was just way too good in the tourney to pass up on him in the 2nd round. We also could use help at SF. Then i'm fine with grabbing a intl. kid with that last pick and leaving him overseas for a year or two cause we can't take on 4 new kids in one draft and would actually be surprised if we even draft 3 players.

My #1 target in this draft is still the same as it's been since the college season started and that's Jalen Suggs. I'm trading pretty much anything (within reason) to go up and get this kid.

[cgf]

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Here’s another Wasserman mock draft. He has us drafting Tre Mann, BJ Boston, Josh Primo, and some French big. This also like the 4th or 5th time I’ve seen him linking us to Josh Giddey this time as a potential trade up. I wonder if that’s just him linking us with a playmaker or he’s actually hearing rumors we like him. He does have connection with a lot of teams in the league so I wouldn’t be shocked if this is real intel.

Now my thought of this mock. I love Tre Mann and think he’d be the perfect replacement for Burks and maybe even Bullock. It does have Bouknight at 18 would be an easy trade up to get him if we liked him but Tre is a better shooter and playmaker than Bouknight without that same explosiveness. I think I’d rather keep the assets that move up cuz IMO Mann does 90% of what Bouknight can do. I don’t like Boston and all but Wasserman does mention BJ Boston shot over 40% from three over his last 10 games. Now I definitely think that makes Boston more intriguing but I don’t think I would draft him there tbh. Especially with the pick after us being Alperen Sengun. I’m actually super high on this guy cuz he’s an elite post up guy with solid playmaking chops. We’ll probably see some people compare him to Joker. I don’t see that but with his touch I could see him at least developing into a stretch big. If Boston was there with our Detroit pick, I’d much rather draft him there. I actually don’t know anything about Josh Primo to even comment on him.

I would love to trade up for Giddey but if the draft fell this way and we did no trading up then i'm good with taking T.Mann at #20 then i'm taking Chris Duarte at #23 and then i'm taking that Johnny Juzang at #32. The kid was just way too good in the tourney to pass up on him in the 2nd round. We also could use help at SF. Then i'm fine with grabbing a intl. kid with that last pick and leaving him overseas for a year or two cause we can't take on 4 new kids in one draft and would actually be surprised if we even draft 3 players.

My #1 target in this draft is still the same as it's been since the college season started and that's Jalen Suggs. I'm trading pretty much anything (within reason) to go up and get this kid.

Those are the scariest words in scouting

[newyorker4ever]

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Here’s another Wasserman mock draft. He has us drafting Tre Mann, BJ Boston, Josh Primo, and some French big. This also like the 4th or 5th time I’ve seen him linking us to Josh Giddey this time as a potential trade up. I wonder if that’s just him linking us with a playmaker or he’s actually hearing rumors we like him. He does have connection with a lot of teams in the league so I wouldn’t be shocked if this is real intel.

Now my thought of this mock. I love Tre Mann and think he’d be the perfect replacement for Burks and maybe even Bullock. It does have Bouknight at 18 would be an easy trade up to get him if we liked him but Tre is a better shooter and playmaker than Bouknight without that same explosiveness. I think I’d rather keep the assets that move up cuz IMO Mann does 90% of what Bouknight can do. I don’t like Boston and all but Wasserman does mention BJ Boston shot over 40% from three over his last 10 games. Now I definitely think that makes Boston more intriguing but I don’t think I would draft him there tbh. Especially with the pick after us being Alperen Sengun. I’m actually super high on this guy cuz he’s an elite post up guy with solid playmaking chops. We’ll probably see some people compare him to Joker. I don’t see that but with his touch I could see him at least developing into a stretch big. If Boston was there with our Detroit pick, I’d much rather draft him there. I actually don’t know anything about Josh Primo to even comment on him.

I would love to trade up for Giddey but if the draft fell this way and we did no trading up then i'm good with taking T.Mann at #20 then i'm taking Chris Duarte at #23 and then i'm taking that Johnny Juzang at #32. The kid was just way too good in the tourney to pass up on him in the 2nd round. We also could use help at SF. Then i'm fine with grabbing a intl. kid with that last pick and leaving him overseas for a year or two cause we can't take on 4 new kids in one draft and would actually be surprised if we even draft 3 players.

My #1 target in this draft is still the same as it's been since the college season started and that's Jalen Suggs. I'm trading pretty much anything (within reason) to go up and get this kid.

Those are the scariest words in scouting

Did all the scouts tell you that?

[Nazrmohamed]

Meh, wouldn't really like our draft if it should go the way Wass mocked it.

Don't get me wrong, Tre Mann is a good player, and I wouldn't mind him on our team. His footwork getting to his jump shot out of various situations is remarkable. But the question I have is can he be more than Pull-Up shooter in the NBA? Because if the answer is no, why wouldn't you then rather draft someone like Bones with our 2nd round pick and then swing for a wing with our first rounder(s)? Like using them to trade up for someone like Giddey as mentioned. Or go for my (at the moment ) favourite Springer, who obviously isn't the shooter Tre is, but has more ways to become a positive contributor in the NBA.

Defensively, Tre probably will be a negative, at least in his rookie contract. While he's capable of making the simple read, I still question his playmaking potential. Especially when at times he was rather taking difficult shots than taking what the defense would give him. But the thing that worries me mostly is if he'll be able to get to the rim in the NBA at a high enough clip. And even if he does, will he be able to convert at a solid clip or at least draw a high enough amount of fouls? I felt like this were some weaknesses in his game, because he doesn't have the athleticism of a Bouk or the physicality of a Springer for example.

I get why some people are really high on Tre. In some games you really wonder how he could be available in the 20s. Those are just some questions that I personally have, and why I'd rather prefer other players than him. But definitely wouldn't hate the pick!

I thinkbits just gonna be too hard to predict if Thibs is gonna play him if he can't defend. It's literally the start of any conversation for him. So when I'm looking at guys I find the defenders and then rate them based on skills they have beyond that.

Then if we're talking about offense exclusively Mann is amazing at what he does. I like watching it but he's not really a great shooter (great shot creator but not pure shooter) and doesn't get all the way to the rim. You don't wanna be stuck with a guy who specializes in foul line extended pull-ups. I mean, I really wish our current guys had that ability in addition to thier skillsets but I don't want it to be thier specialty.

Then again......maybe I'm asking for too much out of a late first rounder but that's where I dissagree with other posters. Hes got allot of potential but maybe I rather go with a guy like Duarte who's a lower cieling but high floor player. Or Butler. I pick Ayo myself for this thread.