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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#41 » by RookieStar » Tue May 11, 2021 5:28 am

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Ducklett wrote:Hunter Sallis (Gonzaga) and Moussa Diabate (Michigan).

You mean a late teens pick in 2022, right? Cause that is where the Chicago pick is going to end up.


is that even possible? reality-wise? does CHI secretly have 5-10more wins that we dont know about?


He means that Chicago is going to hit the lottery this year and we’ll get their pick next year when they’re in the playoffs.


Ah.. my bad. Knowing our Magic luck, theres a big chance that it would happen.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#42 » by Bensational » Tue May 11, 2021 6:00 am

Ayo Dosunmu is a new addition to my board. He's likely to be slept on because he's a 3rd year player, but the polish of his game shows he has used the time well. He will be an instant contributor who knows how to score. He'll be the Mitchell/SGA steal of this draft. Let's get him.



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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#43 » by Howard Mass » Tue May 11, 2021 10:32 am

First of all, I will probably start thinking more about this pick once it is confirmed The Magic will get it.

We are all terrified of the prospect of it moving into The top-4 and rolling over.

If The Magic get the pick, it will be around 8 or 9. Players emerge leading up to The Draft so it could be someone who rises up the charts leading up to The Draft.

I definitely do not want this pick packaged with The Magic's to move up. It would mean The Magic did not do well in The lottery and it would cost more than just The Magic's pick and #8 or #9 to move up.

After #5, The draft is not as clear.

The Magic do need to get a wing with at least one of their two picks.

If The Magic do have two Lottery picks, they also need to assess if that second pick will have a chance to develop on the roster given the other young talent on the team. What I mean by that is do you feel that player that player can be better than another that you already have some young depth at a particular position.

It's possible The Magic will trade down so they can net some more assets. They do need to maximize both of these picks though.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#44 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue May 11, 2021 1:09 pm

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Harden - victor oladipo, Dante Exum 4 first round picks and 4 first round pick swaps.........Better than what we would give up minus top5 this year

Chris Paul - not sure which time, but if for instance the trade to the rockets, Lou williams, Pat beverly, Montrezl Harrell, 3 other players and a 1st round pick - sounds like more than we can give up, and this was when he was 32 years old, not 23-25

Paul George - SGA, Danilo Gallinari and 5 first round picks and 2 pick swaps...........

Which one of those was less than Bulls picks+RJ Hampton\Bamba and other filler?


out of all those, which gave up a top 5 pick? Houston got another top 10 for Harden this year???
Those picks will be mid/late 1sts.
I'm not saying go after Harden level, just that we do have enough to chase someone very good.

2 bulls picks,
our 2021 2nd round pick
Our 2022 pick
our 2024 pick
Den pick
That is 5 1sts, and a great 2nd.
Swap picks? sure, doesn't mean much.

without losing our 2021 pick.

Bamba & J.I. 2 top five picks can go too.
add in Ross, we can take back nearly 10M more than we send out.
That would be a worse trade then Chicago just made with us. I don't think this FO is going to send out a bunch of assets for one player.

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Wasn't stating this as a trade, just listing assets. Saying we have enough to do something.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#45 » by basketballRob » Tue May 11, 2021 2:11 pm

If we have the 8-10 pick, I think they take Wagner, but I hear chatter of him going 6 or 7.

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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#46 » by OrlMagic05 » Tue May 11, 2021 3:03 pm

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The Effect wrote:I think people in here are overvaluing a 8-11 pick and some of our prospects

To get KAT (or tatum or really any top flight franchise player), we would HAVE to include our top 5 pick, no question about it

Look at the lakers a couple of years ago, they wanted a high end player, and id put KAT or tatum in the same catagory of AD, the lakers had to give up a top 5 pick, a recent sucessful #2 overall pick (ingram), a somewhat disappointing\bust #2 overall pick (lonzo), a good role player (hart) and 2 other future first round picks

And that was considered light return for the pelicans

To think we would get KAT or tatum without giving up our top 5 would be REALLY unrealistic


reread what I wrote. I said I would throw all our picks for Kat. I know you arent going to get someone of his caliber for a pick8-11, but we now have the assets to go after someone the moment they become disgruntled.

Yeah i know, i was referring to some others who said they want KAT or tatum without giving up our pick


Oh, my bad.. Yeah we arent getting KAT or Tatum for the 8th pick lol
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#47 » by drsd » Tue May 11, 2021 3:35 pm

Howard Mass wrote:[gfycat][/gfycat]The Magic do need to get a wing with at least one of their two picks.


I agree but it is an important point that this could be with the second FRP.

For example, let's say the Magic drafts 4th and Mobley slides. He is the clear BPA and Orlando "must" draft him.

At that point, with the Bulls pick, the Magic must draft the best available of: Moody, Johnson, Kispert, Williams, or Juzang; based on their big board.

If the Magic come out of the draft with Mobley and Kispert, I would feel good about that.


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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#48 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue May 11, 2021 4:17 pm

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OrlMagic05 wrote:
reread what I wrote. I said I would throw all our picks for Kat. I know you arent going to get someone of his caliber for a pick8-11, but we now have the assets to go after someone the moment they become disgruntled.

Yeah i know, i was referring to some others who said they want KAT or tatum without giving up our pick


Oh, my bad.. Yeah we arent getting KAT or Tatum for the 8th pick lol


Oh yeah, you both nailed what I said....lol....
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#49 » by Knightro » Tue May 11, 2021 4:21 pm

Howard Mass wrote:The Magic do need to get a wing with at least one of their two picks.


I don't agree with this.

It would absolutely be *nice* and probably preferrable to get a SG/SF, but I will say this until I'm blue in the face that this is the first step in what's likely going to be a lengthy rebuilding process.

It's not fair to expect the Magic to fill every need in this draft, nor is it fair to assume the young guys currently here are even capable of being rotation pieces moving forward either.

The Magic should firmly draft the player they believe will be the best overall basketball player and then balance the roster with trades accordingly.

If that's Mobley or Sengun, then you pick them and move on from Carter or Bamba or both.

If that's Suggs, then you pick him and move on from Fultz or Anthony or both.

No player on the roster right now is so good or irreplaceable that they should change who the Magic consider with either pick.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#50 » by thelead » Tue May 11, 2021 5:33 pm

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Howard Mass wrote:The Magic do need to get a wing with at least one of their two picks.


I don't agree with this.

It would absolutely be *nice* and probably preferrable to get a SG/SF, but I will say this until I'm blue in the face that this is the first step in what's likely going to be a lengthy rebuilding process.

It's not fair to expect the Magic to fill every need in this draft, nor is it fair to assume the young guys currently here are even capable of being rotation pieces moving forward either.

The Magic should firmly draft the player they believe will be the best overall basketball player and then balance the roster with trades accordingly.

If that's Mobley or Sengun, then you pick them and move on from Carter or Bamba or both.

If that's Suggs, then you pick him and move on from Fultz or Anthony or both.

No player on the roster right now is so good or irreplaceable that they should change who the Magic consider with either pick.

100%

With that said, we can't have a situation where we draft a player and then bury him the way we did with Bamba. I wonder what we'll do if we're fortunate enough to grab Suggs. There is not enough playing time for Fultz, Suggs, Cole, RJ, Harris, and Ross. And that's not even bringing up MCW who is under contract next year.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#51 » by basketballRob » Tue May 11, 2021 5:35 pm

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Howard Mass wrote:[gfycat][/gfycat]The Magic do need to get a wing with at least one of their two picks.


I agree but it is an important point that this could be with the second FRP.

For example, let's say the Magic drafts 4th and Mobley slides. He is the clear BPA and Orlando "must" draft him.

At that point, with the Bulls pick, the Magic must draft the best available of: Moody, Johnson, Kispert, Williams, or Juzang; based on their big board.

If the Magic come out of the draft with Mobley and Kispert, I would feel good about that.


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I'm starting to think Wagner is a better wing than all those guys. He has an incredible first step and will likely develop into a 40% 3 pt shooter. Listening to Chad Ford and Hollinger, he's almost a lock to go in that 6-10 range. I've heard Gordon Hayward comparisons, but not sure Wagner has that kind of wiggle. I do think he'd probably be neck and neck with Hampton as the best drivers on the team.

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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#52 » by Skin » Tue May 11, 2021 5:50 pm

Bensational wrote:Ayo Dosunmu is a new addition to my board. He's likely to be slept on because he's a 3rd year player, but the polish of his game shows he has used the time well. He will be an instant contributor who knows how to score. He'll be the Mitchell/SGA steal of this draft. Let's get him.



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Good I'm glad more people are talking about him. He deserves discussion. Brought him up before, but no traction. People don't wanna talk about guys like this unless the draft sites start moving him, but I've liked him for a while.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#53 » by basketballRob » Tue May 11, 2021 6:07 pm

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Bensational wrote:Ayo Dosunmu is a new addition to my board. He's likely to be slept on because he's a 3rd year player, but the polish of his game shows he has used the time well. He will be an instant contributor who knows how to score. He'll be the Mitchell/SGA steal of this draft. Let's get him.



6'5 lead guard

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5ftas at 78%
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5apg / 3.3tov

Good I'm glad more people are talking about him. He deserves discussion. Brought him up before, but no traction. People don't wanna talk about guys like this unless the draft sites start moving him, but I've liked him for a while.
He has similar stats to Deron Williams and Devyn Marble out of the Big 10.

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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#54 » by Knightro » Tue May 11, 2021 6:14 pm

thelead wrote:100%

With that said, we can't have a situation where we draft a player and then bury him the way we did with Bamba. I wonder what we'll do if we're fortunate enough to grab Suggs. There is not enough playing time for Fultz, Suggs, Cole, RJ, Harris, and Ross. And that's not even bringing up MCW who is under contract next year.


Completely agree and I strongly believe it's on the front office to take the decision making process on which young guys to play and which ones to not play out of the coaching staffs hands by balancing the roster with trades.

I doubt anyone would take Gary Harris at his salary and production levels, but he's expiring in a year so it's all good. Same with MCW. They'll both be gone in a year anyway, so I'm not terribly concerned with them blocking anyone.

Terrence Ross should absolutely be traded this summer. James Ennis should not return. Otto Porter should not return.

One of the worst things that happens in the NBA, and you see it all the time, is teams in the lotto incorrectly assuming they're "good" at a certain position because they just drafted another player a year or two earlier at the same position.

Far too often teams, especially ones who are making their 2nd or 3rd or 4th consecutive lottery pick, decide which players to pick in a given year based on the players they already have which is a big time no-no unless the player you already have is already an all-star caliber talent.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#55 » by zaymon » Tue May 11, 2021 6:42 pm

Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:100%

With that said, we can't have a situation where we draft a player and then bury him the way we did with Bamba. I wonder what we'll do if we're fortunate enough to grab Suggs. There is not enough playing time for Fultz, Suggs, Cole, RJ, Harris, and Ross. And that's not even bringing up MCW who is under contract next year.


Completely agree and I strongly believe it's on the front office to take the decision making process on which young guys to play and which ones to not play out of the coaching staffs hands by balancing the roster with trades.

I doubt anyone would take Gary Harris at his salary and production levels, but he's expiring in a year so it's all good. Same with MCW. They'll both be gone in a year anyway, so I'm not terribly concerned with them blocking anyone.

Terrence Ross should absolutely be traded this summer. James Ennis should not return. Otto Porter should not return.

One of the worst things that happens in the NBA, and you see it all the time, is teams in the lotto incorrectly assuming they're "good" at a certain position because they just drafted another player a year or two earlier at the same position.

Far too often teams, especially ones who are making their 2nd or 3rd or 4th consecutive lottery pick, decide which players to pick in a given year based on the players they already have which is a big time no-no unless the player you already have is already an all-star caliber talent.


On the other side teams who try to be bad for too long lose all of their good veterans, start to pay big money to mediocre young players and stay bad for very long stretches. You dont want to fixate on one strategy.
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Post#56 » by Howard Mass » Tue May 11, 2021 7:35 pm

Knightro wrote:
Howard Mass wrote:The Magic do need to get a wing with at least one of their two picks.


I don't agree with this.

It would absolutely be *nice* and probably preferrable to get a SG/SF, but I will say this until I'm blue in the face that this is the first step in what's likely going to be a lengthy rebuilding process.

It's not fair to expect the Magic to fill every need in this draft, nor is it fair to assume the young guys currently here are even capable of being rotation pieces moving forward either.

The Magic should firmly draft the player they believe will be the best overall basketball player and then balance the roster with trades accordingly.

If that's Mobley or Sengun, then you pick them and move on from Carter or Bamba or both.

If that's Suggs, then you pick him and move on from Fultz or Anthony or both.

No player on the roster right now is so good or irreplaceable that they should change who the Magic consider with either pick.


When you look at the roster though, they have Hampton, Harris, Bacon and Ross at the swing under contract or with an option (Bacon) next year.

Hampton is someone I really like with potential and Harris and Bacon are decent role players.

My assumption is they will move Ross this summer or next year's Trading Deadline. Even if you play Cole Anthony a bit at 2, there is time there.

At point guard, power forward and center, you have two players that are young and are developing. I

I'm not saying anyone has locked anything down to the point where you don't take someone else at the position but you need to access if you feel a player can be better than what you have there.

This Draft is wing heavy and there is playing time there to develop a player. I'd like at least one of the two players to be a wing for that reason.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#57 » by Howard Mass » Tue May 11, 2021 7:48 pm

thelead wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Howard Mass wrote:The Magic do need to get a wing with at least one of their two picks.


I don't agree with this.

It would absolutely be *nice* and probably preferrable to get a SG/SF, but I will say this until I'm blue in the face that this is the first step in what's likely going to be a lengthy rebuilding process.

It's not fair to expect the Magic to fill every need in this draft, nor is it fair to assume the young guys currently here are even capable of being rotation pieces moving forward either.

The Magic should firmly draft the player they believe will be the best overall basketball player and then balance the roster with trades accordingly.

If that's Mobley or Sengun, then you pick them and move on from Carter or Bamba or both.

If that's Suggs, then you pick him and move on from Fultz or Anthony or both.

No player on the roster right now is so good or irreplaceable that they should change who the Magic consider with either pick.

100%

With that said, we can't have a situation where we draft a player and then bury him the way we did with Bamba. I wonder what we'll do if we're fortunate enough to grab Suggs. There is not enough playing time for Fultz, Suggs, Cole, RJ, Harris, and Ross. And that's not even bringing up MCW who is under contract next year.


Exactly my point.

At point guard, you have Fultz and Anthony.
At power forward, you have Issac and Okeke.
At center, you have Carter and Bamba.

If you are interested in a player at any of these three positions, you have to ask yourself if you feel that player can be better than what you have there?

That might be a "Yes" with Evan Mobley. Carter and Bamba have not shown consistency yet at Center.

Are you also going to find a player who you like better than what The Magic have at point guard and power forward that you could get minutes for and not be buried? I'm not so sure.

Given how this Draft is wing heavy, I just see one of these picks as a wing given these factors as there are minutes to be had at wing.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#58 » by Howard Mass » Tue May 11, 2021 7:55 pm

Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:100%

With that said, we can't have a situation where we draft a player and then bury him the way we did with Bamba. I wonder what we'll do if we're fortunate enough to grab Suggs. There is not enough playing time for Fultz, Suggs, Cole, RJ, Harris, and Ross. And that's not even bringing up MCW who is under contract next year.


Completely agree and I strongly believe it's on the front office to take the decision making process on which young guys to play and which ones to not play out of the coaching staffs hands by balancing the roster with trades.

I doubt anyone would take Gary Harris at his salary and production levels, but he's expiring in a year so it's all good. Same with MCW. They'll both be gone in a year anyway, so I'm not terribly concerned with them blocking anyone.

Terrence Ross should absolutely be traded this summer. James Ennis should not return. Otto Porter should not return.

One of the worst things that happens in the NBA, and you see it all the time, is teams in the lotto incorrectly assuming they're "good" at a certain position because they just drafted another player a year or two earlier at the same position.

Far too often teams, especially ones who are making their 2nd or 3rd or 4th consecutive lottery pick, decide which players to pick in a given year based on the players they already have which is a big time no-no unless the player you already have is already an all-star caliber talent.


Exactly! There has to be minutes for the player. The lack of minutes has hurt Bamba's development.

Ross will be moved. Bacon will be in the 11th or 12th man role. MCW's future could be murky here with the youth movement with him maybe taking a backseat.

The Magic need to carefully assess if the players they have at a certain position are better than what they already have. If you see a Star, you got to take him.

That is unlikely to happen twice though which is why I want a wing with one of the two picks especially since this is a wing heavy Draft.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#59 » by drsd » Tue May 11, 2021 8:14 pm

basketballRob wrote:I'm starting to think Wagner is a better wing than all those guys.


I really like Kispert and Wagner.


I do NOT like Keon Johnson or Ziaire Williams.

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Post#60 » by basketballRob » Tue May 11, 2021 8:23 pm

drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I'm starting to think Wagner is a better wing than all those guys.


I really like Kispert and Wagner.


I do NOT like Keon Johnson or Ziaire Williams.

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Wagner's first step is Hayward-like and he's a good passer. I listened to Chad Ford say that he might give Wagner an edge over Barnes, because he's a better playmaker. That was surprising that people think Wagner is a better playmaker than Barnes.

When Michigan played Florida State, Wagner was getting past his defender every time he touched the ball.

He also has perfect technique on defense.

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