Race for Ping Pong Balls

[shadrock]

Honestly just want the team to sell. Just hurry up! I want a new start. Im **** D O N E with this Mickey Mouse management team and the entire stain on humanity that is the Devos family.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Honestly just want the team to sell. Just hurry up! I want a new start. Im **** D O N E with this Mickey Mouse management team and the entire stain on humanity that is the Devos family.

[KillMonger]

Magic has tried to tank but they just didn't go the extra mile some of these teams did.....i mean to actively try to lose on the court like detroit did against us....OKC shutting down healthy players to focus on the youth but at the same time sitting those youth every other game....even Toronto sitting almost their entire starting lineup against us sans vanVleet. maybe it won't bite us in the azz? Those teams had no shame in what they were doing but for a while it seemed like we were above those kind of tactics.....

[Xatticus]

if we got 7-8......i dont think id even be able to get myself excited for the draft enough to even watch

We literally tanked our entire roster for this draft so we can get a top3 pick and then end up with 2 mid-lotto players.....no

In that scenario, i guess i would hope for Moody and Juzang, but cant say id be excited even if they took those guys

Juzang... wow I neve expected his name to come up in our discussions.

LOL but yeah hard to be excited about the draft if we get 7 and 8 especially when we psyched ourselves up fop the Cade/Suggs/Greeen choices..

I think hes being very underrated by draft sites, but the guy can do it all and has an edge about his game that i really like

I think now more and more of those sites are starting to rethink him, and even nbadraft.net has him as a lotto pick and mocked him going ahead Wagner, Springer, and Bouknight

I dont know what people dont like about his game, but his play in the tourney answered any questions i had about him. Sign me up

All he does is shoot and he isn't going to make any list of the top shooters available in the draft. He isn't even all that efficient as a scorer because he has a microscopic FTr. He got hot at the right time, but he wasn't all that good for the majority of the season.

[pepe1991]

Houston secured worst record for 2020-21. Congratulations
Now if only they can go and beat Lakers to push them further into playin


Btw it's time to hold a breath for last 2 Philadelphia games, as Bucks lost, Philadelphia just needs to beat Pacers to secure 1# seed on East.

As for serious basketball goes, Bucks defense was pathetic vs Spurs last night and Celtics hope for anything just died with Brown being done for a year.

[Skybox]

All eyes on MIn/Det tonight, although I expect MIN to blow the Pistons out. The young “superstar core” of Min seems to be feeling themselves lately and are, perhaps, blissfully unaware that they stink.

Bucks still need wins so our game should be over by halftime. This is an amazing tank- we could have 5 teams tied. I don’t understand the point of a coin toss to decide lottery odds...why not just give equal records equal ping pong balls?

[Howard Mass]

I so badly want a top-4 pick to get Cade or one of the Jalens. I also Kuminga too if they drop to 5.

This season has sucked and The Magic deserve some luck for not intentionally tanking like Oklahoma City is doing. 2018 really hurt to see those teams rewarded for intentionally tanking.

I also want The Bulls pick out of the Top-4. I want it all and do not want to be in a situation where people are discussing scenarios to trade up with The Bulls pick.

We will be on pins and needles on June 22.

[D J C]

All eyes on MIn/Det tonight, although I expect MIN to blow the Pistons out. The young “superstar core” of Min seems to be feeling themselves lately and are, perhaps, blissfully unaware that they stink.

Bucks still need wins so our game should be over by halftime. This is an amazing tank- we could have 5 teams tied. I don’t understand the point of a coin toss to decide lottery odds...why not just give equal records equal ping pong balls?

I thought equal records do get equal ping pong balls? The coin toss was just to determine order after the lottery for the teams that don’t land a top 4 pick.

Edit: yep, shared odds

In the event that teams finish with the same record, each tied team receives the average of the total number of combinations for the positions that they occupy. Should the average number not be an integer, a coin flip is then used to determine which team or teams receive the extra combination. The result of the coin flip is also used to determine who receives the earlier pick in the event that neither of the tied teams wins one of the first four picks via the lottery.

[drsd]

I so badly want a top-4 pick to get Cade or one of the Jalens. I also Kuminga too if they drop to 5.

This season has sucked and The Magic deserve some luck for not intentionally tanking like Oklahoma City is doing. 2018 really hurt to see those teams rewarded for intentionally tanking.

I also want The Bulls pick out of the Top-4. I want it all and do not want to be in a situation where people are discussing scenarios to trade up with The Bulls pick.

We will be on pins and needles on June 22.

And-1.

You said "intentionally tanking like Oklahoma City". When Detroit blatantly lost in the final 2-minutes against Orlando, I was flabbergasted. How does a Head Coach accept "forcing" a loss? How?
But How am I supposed to feel good about being upset that Orlando was gifted a win ?!?!?!?

Thank good ness this nightmare will be over soon. Four more games of dread.


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[drsd]

Bucks still need wins so our game should be over by halftime. This is an amazing tank- we could have 5 teams tied. I don’t understand the point of a coin toss to decide lottery odds...why not just give equal records equal ping pong balls?

There is a very real chance for a 5-way tie. I want to see the coin that is used in that coin flip !


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[thelead]

All eyes on MIn/Det tonight, although I expect MIN to blow the Pistons out. The young “superstar core” of Min seems to be feeling themselves lately and are, perhaps, blissfully unaware that they stink.

Bucks still need wins so our game should be over by halftime. This is an amazing tank- we could have 5 teams tied. I don’t understand the point of a coin toss to decide lottery odds...why not just give equal records equal ping pong balls?

The coin toss is used to determine who gets the one extra combination when there is an odd number to divvy up (for example, if there are 25 combos to split up, each would get 12 and the coin toss would determine who would get the one extra combo). I'm not sure what they would do if there is a 5 team tie.

[Skybox]

All eyes on MIn/Det tonight, although I expect MIN to blow the Pistons out. The young “superstar core” of Min seems to be feeling themselves lately and are, perhaps, blissfully unaware that they stink.

Bucks still need wins so our game should be over by halftime. This is an amazing tank- we could have 5 teams tied. I don’t understand the point of a coin toss to decide lottery odds...why not just give equal records equal ping pong balls?

The coin toss is used to determine who gets the one extra combination when there is an odd number to divvy up (for example, if there are 25 combos to split up, each would get 12 and the coin toss would determine who would get the one extra combo). I'm not sure what they would do if there is a 5 team tie.

Great...that makes a ton more sense

[The Effect]

Juzang... wow I neve expected his name to come up in our discussions.

LOL but yeah hard to be excited about the draft if we get 7 and 8 especially when we psyched ourselves up fop the Cade/Suggs/Greeen choices..

I think hes being very underrated by draft sites, but the guy can do it all and has an edge about his game that i really like

I think now more and more of those sites are starting to rethink him, and even nbadraft.net has him as a lotto pick and mocked him going ahead Wagner, Springer, and Bouknight

I dont know what people dont like about his game, but his play in the tourney answered any questions i had about him. Sign me up

All he does is shoot and he isn't going to make any list of the top shooters available in the draft. He isn't even all that efficient as a scorer because he has a microscopic FTr. He got hot at the right time, but he wasn't all that good for the majority of the season.

Right, i forgot, he sucks but got luck at the end, thanks for the reminder

[D J C]

All eyes on MIn/Det tonight, although I expect MIN to blow the Pistons out. The young “superstar core” of Min seems to be feeling themselves lately and are, perhaps, blissfully unaware that they stink.

Bucks still need wins so our game should be over by halftime. This is an amazing tank- we could have 5 teams tied. I don’t understand the point of a coin toss to decide lottery odds...why not just give equal records equal ping pong balls?

The coin toss is used to determine who gets the one extra combination when there is an odd number to divvy up (for example, if there are 25 combos to split up, each would get 12 and the coin toss would determine who would get the one extra combo). I'm not sure what they would do if there is a 5 team tie.

They'd keep averaging it out if more teams are tied. So say we finish tied with the Cavs & Thunder for 3rd (most likely scenario atm), we'd all get '123 chances' or 12.3% at the top pick, while HOU & DET would get 140 chances each, and Minny would get 90 chances. The match gets more complicated after the first pick, but pretty much the three tied teams would each have a ~46% chance of landing a top 4 pick/~55%+ chance at a top 5 pick, and it we'd all have a ~45% chance to land between 6-8/9 (depending on coinflip).

If the Pistons somehow beat the Wolves tonight and there's a 5-way tie with 21 wins to end the season, Houston would get the lone 14% chance at the top pick, and the next 5 would share a the 600 'chances' that is the sum of the 2-6 odds. So a 12% chance at the top pick and the math gets messy from there. I believe the 2-6 tied teams would all have a ~55% chance at a top 5 pick (compared to ~80% chance for the usual 2nd best odds vs a 27% chance for the usual 6th best odds). Don't quote me on that though lol it'll get crazy then with a bunch of coin flips.. for instance if the 'winner' of the coin flips doesnt hit a top 4 pick, the lowest they could drop to is #6. The 'loser' of all the coin flips dont hit a top 4 pick, they could potentially slide all the way back to #10. That's assuming the unlikely scenario though of picks 1-4 ALL going to teams with the 7-14 best 'chances'.

Pretty much the best case scenario for us is getting pick #1 & #7/#8.. the worst case scenario is getting only pick #10.. and the 'most likely' case scenario is getting a top 5 pick + #8-#10.

[Xatticus]

I think hes being very underrated by draft sites, but the guy can do it all and has an edge about his game that i really like

I think now more and more of those sites are starting to rethink him, and even nbadraft.net has him as a lotto pick and mocked him going ahead Wagner, Springer, and Bouknight

I dont know what people dont like about his game, but his play in the tourney answered any questions i had about him. Sign me up

All he does is shoot and he isn't going to make any list of the top shooters available in the draft. He isn't even all that efficient as a scorer because he has a microscopic FTr. He got hot at the right time, but he wasn't all that good for the majority of the season.

Right, i forgot, he sucks but got luck at the end, thanks for the reminder

So should we re-sign Ross to a max extension? He's Juzang with vastly superior athleticism. I didn't say he sucks. He shoots a lot and he is a pretty good shooter, but that's all he does well. That's of limited value if you aren't really efficient and he isn't really efficient. He finished with a .548 TS% with his tournament performance included. That's not goood. Isn't Kispert obviously better? I wouldn't even consider Juzang until the 20s. Even then, you can probably get Hyland in the second round and he looks to be a better shooter. They both have the same issues though. They have below average athleticism and don't really do anything else well besides shooting.

[Ducklett]

All eyes on MIn/Det tonight, although I expect MIN to blow the Pistons out. The young “superstar core” of Min seems to be feeling themselves lately and are, perhaps, blissfully unaware that they stink.

Bucks still need wins so our game should be over by halftime. This is an amazing tank- we could have 5 teams tied. I don’t understand the point of a coin toss to decide lottery odds...why not just give equal records equal ping pong balls?

The coin toss is used to determine who gets the one extra combination when there is an odd number to divvy up (for example, if there are 25 combos to split up, each would get 12 and the coin toss would determine who would get the one extra combo). I'm not sure what they would do if there is a 5 team tie.

They'd keep averaging it out if more teams are tied. So say we finish tied with the Cavs & Thunder for 3rd (most likely scenario atm), we'd all get '123 chances' or 12.3% at the top pick, while HOU & DET would get 140 chances each, and Minny would get 90 chances. The match gets more complicated after the first pick, but pretty much the three tied teams would each have a ~46% chance of landing a top 4 pick/~55%+ chance at a top 5 pick, and it we'd all have a ~45% chance to land between 6-8/9 (depending on coinflip).

If the Pistons somehow beat the Wolves tonight and there's a 5-way tie with 21 wins to end the season, Houston would get the lone 14% chance at the top pick, and the next 5 would share a the 600 'chances' that is the sum of the 2-6 odds. So a 12% chance at the top pick and the math gets messy from there. I believe the 2-6 tied teams would all have a ~55% chance at a top 5 pick (compared to ~80% chance for the usual 2nd best odds vs a 27% chance for the usual 6th best odds). Don't quote me on that though lol it'll get crazy then with a bunch of coin flips.. for instance if the 'winner' of the coin flips doesnt hit a top 4 pick, the lowest they could drop to is #6. The 'loser' of all the coin flips dont hit a top 4 pick, they could potentially slide all the way back to #10. That's assuming the unlikely scenario though of picks 1-4 ALL going to teams with the 7-14 best 'chances'.

Pretty much the best case scenario for us is getting pick #1 & #7/#8.. the worst case scenario is getting only pick #10.. and the 'most likely' case scenario is getting a top 5 pick + #8-#10.

I am pretty sure the most likely scenario is picking 6th and 9th based on Bulls winning streak.

[drsd]

I'm not sure what they would do if there is a 5 team tie.

He would use "coin flips" to rank the tied teams.


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[Skin]

Magic has tried to tank but they just didn't go the extra mile some of these teams did.....i mean to actively try to lose on the court like detroit did against us....OKC shutting down healthy players to focus on the youth but at the same time sitting those youth every other game....even Toronto sitting almost their entire starting lineup against us sans vanVleet. maybe it won't bite us in the azz? Those teams had no shame in what they were doing but for a while it seemed like we were above those kind of tactics.....

We have no reason to feel like we are above them. We should be tanking every night. Play hard for 3 quarters, play our young guys and then put in all of our scrubs in the 4th quarter.

[Skin]

I'm not sure what they would do if there is a 5 team tie.

He would use "coin flips" to rank the tied teams.


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Gonna be a 3 way tie after tonight when Minny kills Detroit.

[D J C]

The coin toss is used to determine who gets the one extra combination when there is an odd number to divvy up (for example, if there are 25 combos to split up, each would get 12 and the coin toss would determine who would get the one extra combo). I'm not sure what they would do if there is a 5 team tie.

They'd keep averaging it out if more teams are tied. So say we finish tied with the Cavs & Thunder for 3rd (most likely scenario atm), we'd all get '123 chances' or 12.3% at the top pick, while HOU & DET would get 140 chances each, and Minny would get 90 chances. The match gets more complicated after the first pick, but pretty much the three tied teams would each have a ~46% chance of landing a top 4 pick/~55%+ chance at a top 5 pick, and it we'd all have a ~45% chance to land between 6-8/9 (depending on coinflip).

If the Pistons somehow beat the Wolves tonight and there's a 5-way tie with 21 wins to end the season, Houston would get the lone 14% chance at the top pick, and the next 5 would share a the 600 'chances' that is the sum of the 2-6 odds. So a 12% chance at the top pick and the math gets messy from there. I believe the 2-6 tied teams would all have a ~55% chance at a top 5 pick (compared to ~80% chance for the usual 2nd best odds vs a 27% chance for the usual 6th best odds). Don't quote me on that though lol it'll get crazy then with a bunch of coin flips.. for instance if the 'winner' of the coin flips doesnt hit a top 4 pick, the lowest they could drop to is #6. The 'loser' of all the coin flips dont hit a top 4 pick, they could potentially slide all the way back to #10. That's assuming the unlikely scenario though of picks 1-4 ALL going to teams with the 7-14 best 'chances'.

Pretty much the best case scenario for us is getting pick #1 & #7/#8.. the worst case scenario is getting only pick #10.. and the 'most likely' case scenario is getting a top 5 pick + #8-#10.

I am pretty sure the most likely scenario is picking 6th and 9th based on Bulls winning streak.

With the five-way tie scenario, we'd have about a ~20% chance of picking at #6, quite a bit lower than the 55% chance at picking top 5. If you mean we have a better chance at getting #6 than any other pick in the top 5 individually, you're correct, but once you add up the odds of each individual pick it's almost 3x as likely we pick anywhere between 1-5 than we do at #6.

Even in the 3-way tie scenario that is likely right now, we'd have a ~24% chance at landing at #6.. quite a bit less likely than the 55% chance at getting a top 5 in that scenario as well.

It'll be tough for the Bulls to pass the Kings outright, if anything they might tie for those 8th best odds. The Bulls have left the Nets x 2 and the Bucks, who are both still fighting for #2 in the East. They'll probably beat the Raptors though.

The Kings have left a Grizzlies team that just lost to the Magic and Pistons, the Thunder, and the Jazz who will probably be locked into seeding at that point. They could run the table, but even if they get one win then the Bulls would have to beat one of the Bucks or Nets along with finishing the season with a W vs the Raptors to tie them.