post game - that sucked

[prophet_of_rage]

It's standard 101 Pro-ball. You put the ball in the hands of your best player and let him make a play. How many buzzer beaters did Kobe hit? A bunch. But how many did he miss? A bunch.

most competitive games end in your best player isoing

Yeah people have this like Coach Carter fantasy that the coach draws up a magical play that gets you the perfect shot but 95 times out of 100 it doesn't work like that lol.

I think Thibs thought he had enough time to cause rotation on the defense to get Julius attacking a scrambling defense or if Rose could get his push shot off in P&R then he would live with it and hope Taj could get another opp if he missed. Timing was off and Rose shouldn't have picked up his dribble. Then gave it to RJ in a tough spot. Is what it is.

It's not Coach Carter fantasy. That play was fine. It was just poorly executed. Thibs over relies on one on one creation and one on one rim protection throughout the game.

But in a game decided by 6 points or fewer that's on coaching. 10 points or more is on the players. 7-9 you just lost.

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[robillionaire]

If we're being honest, Randle's turnover with 30 seconds left in OT, him holding the ball too long leading to a shot clock violation and missing the shot at the end at the end of the 4th were all just as big if not bigger than RJ missing the 3 in OT

Also not boxing out on Wesley Matthews

To ignore all this and say "it's entirely RJ's fault cause he missed the last shot" is lazy analysis at best, intentionally dishonest at worst.

it's not just because he missed the last shot, it's because he was 2-13 and bad the entire game. had he showed up, AT ALL, we would have won. This was a poor performance for someone who is supposed to be a #2 option. It's not the only reason we lost but probably the biggest. Randle made mistakes but at least he showed up.

[F N 11]

Did anyone else like the show of faith in RJ from Thibs? Putting Frank out there instead would've probably helped our chances of victory given how poorly RJ was shooting last night, but Thibs stuck with his struggling young star and showed his confidence in RJ.

No. That was dumb. Maximize the chance to win.

Let RJ get his confidence next game.

Its a team for a reason. RJ was that bad.

[thebuzzardman]

Thibs needs to be more creative offensively. Our crunch time offense needs to be more than "Julius, make a play"

This is our whole system. Julius, Derrick make a play. Mitch, Nerves block a shot.

It's why he only plays but so many guys.

I wonder what he learned during his sabbatical and watching the Warriors. It certainly wasn't motion offence.

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Yes, this Knick team is so laden with offensive studs they should be leading the league in scoring.

[god shammgod]

But in a game decided by 6 points or fewer that's on coaching. 10 points or more is on the players. 7-9 you just lost.

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as if there's an exact mathematical formula on losing games. any time a player has a wide open shot to win a game and misses, it's coaching ? is that right ?

[3toheadmelo]

i wouldn’t be surprised if IQ passes RJ next season in terms of scoring

[GONYK]

I'd rather take a swing at Lavine and then give up assets to get someone like Sexton if we strikeout, than just lock ourselves into 3-4 years of Demar.

you're naming people who are not even necessarily on the market tho

Someone like Sexton is always available for trade. Maybe not him specifically, but someone like him will be available.

And I'd rather roll that die than get stuck with Demar.

What if its just 2 years of DD?

[thebuzzardman]

look, we'd all rather it be beal or lavine but you can't just assume we're gonna get them.

I'd rather take a swing at Lavine and then give up assets to get someone like Sexton if we strikeout, than just lock ourselves into 3-4 years of Demar.

you're naming people who are not even necessarily on the market tho

Don't you know that all sorts of players are available to the Knicks just because Knick fans want them? C'mon.

[thebuzzardman]

Just completed reading this clusterf*ck postgame thread.

Looks like I'll have to go bump the "Is RJ a bust?" thread.

Never mind. I see that it got bumped quite a while ago.

Never change Knicks RealGM.

[islanders11040]

Just completed reading this clusterf*ck postgame thread.

Looks like I'll have to go bump the "Is RJ a bust?" thread.

people get way too emotional with the knicks after a loss

[thebuzzardman]

Just completed reading this clusterf*ck postgame thread.

Looks like I'll have to go bump the "Is RJ a bust?" thread.

people get way too emotional with the knicks after a loss

Yup. I had to edit my original post as I see that topic got bumped with the quickness.

[Zenzibar]

i might just be all in on derozan. we really need another creator next to Randle. if derozan is the best we can get then go for it.

Hold out for:

[thebuzzardman]

you're naming people who are not even necessarily on the market tho

Someone like Sexton is always available for trade. Maybe not him specifically, but someone like him will be available.

And I'd rather roll that die than get stuck with Demar.

What if its just 2 years of DD?

I'd approve of that move, not that my opinion matters.

[cgf]

you're naming people who are not even necessarily on the market tho

Someone like Sexton is always available for trade. Maybe not him specifically, but someone like him will be available.

And I'd rather roll that die than get stuck with Demar.

What if its just 2 years of DD?

I just don't like the idea of putting DeRozan in RJ's way next year because they would get in each others way too much unless we restricted RJ to an offball-shooting role. And I don't like that idea because we don't want RJ starting to learn how to create when we're ready to make deep runs, we want him to have already figured that out by then so that all we have to worry about when we add that final piece, is establishing chemistry.

Lowry on a two-year deal at least makes sense to me cause he wouldn't be getting in anyone's way, but signing Demar just feels counter-productive.

[Zenzibar]

If we're being honest, Randle's turnover with 30 seconds left in OT, him holding the ball too long leading to a shot clock violation and missing the shot at the end at the end of the 4th were all just as big if not bigger than RJ missing the 3 in OT

Also not boxing out on Wesley Matthews

To ignore all this and say "it's entirely RJ's fault cause he missed the last shot" is lazy analysis at best, intentionally dishonest at worst.

it's not just because he missed the last shot, it's because he was 2-13 and bad the entire game. had he showed up, AT ALL, we would have won. This was a poor performance for someone who is supposed to be a #2 option. It's not the only reason we lost but probably the biggest. Randle made mistakes but at least he showed up.

[3toheadmelo]

i might just be all in on derozan. we really need another creator next to Randle. if derozan is the best we can get then go for it.

Hold out for:

i don’t see the Knicks waiting another year for him

[thebuzzardman]

RJ gonna have to work much harder at sucking to catch up to the gold, silver and bronze bust medalists of Knox, Frank and Obi.

[GONYK]

Someone like Sexton is always available for trade. Maybe not him specifically, but someone like him will be available.

And I'd rather roll that die than get stuck with Demar.

What if its just 2 years of DD?

I just don't like the idea of putting DeRozan in RJ's way next year because they would get in each others way too much unless we restricted RJ to an offball-shooting role. And I don't like that idea because we don't want RJ starting to learn how to create when we're ready to make deep runs, we want him to have already figured that out by then so that all we have to worry about when we add that final piece, is establishing chemistry.

Lowry on a two-year deal at least makes sense to me cause he wouldn't be getting in anyone's way, but signing Demar just feels counter-productive.

If we're lucky enough to have the choice between Lowry and DD for 2 years, I agree Lowry is the better option.

I don't think we'll have the choice.

[Knicksfan1992]

most competitive games end in your best player isoing

Yeah people have this like Coach Carter fantasy that the coach draws up a magical play that gets you the perfect shot but 95 times out of 100 it doesn't work like that lol.

I think Thibs thought he had enough time to cause rotation on the defense to get Julius attacking a scrambling defense or if Rose could get his push shot off in P&R then he would live with it and hope Taj could get another opp if he missed. Timing was off and Rose shouldn't have picked up his dribble. Then gave it to RJ in a tough spot. Is what it is.

Nobody has a Coach Carter fantasy.

I'm not talking about the final shot of the game. I'm talking about the final 5 minutes of the game. There is nothing but ISOing Randle or Derrick.

That is way too long of a stretch to go without generating an intentional set.

That's different. We stagnated a little bit but you also have to give the Lakers credit. Just as much as the media lauds our defense, they've actually been even better on a per 100 possessions basis They exposed the fact that Burks and IQ were out and they are 2 of our better ball handlers. It's hard to draw up plays in the late stretch of games when the defense can key in on 2 guys who need to Score and facilitate for your ball club to have a chance. It's not like Frank, RJ, or Bullock looked like they were dying to have the ball in their hands at the end anyway... RJ needs to improve even more next year. He needs to become that Robin, then you can see more creativity at the end of games.

[thebuzzardman]

Someone like Sexton is always available for trade. Maybe not him specifically, but someone like him will be available.

And I'd rather roll that die than get stuck with Demar.

What if its just 2 years of DD?

I just don't like the idea of putting DeRozan in RJ's way next year because they would get in each others way too much unless we restricted RJ to an offball-shooting role. And I don't like that idea because we don't want RJ starting to learn how to create when we're ready to make deep runs, we want him to have already figured that out by then so that all we have to worry about when we add that final piece, is establishing chemistry.

Lowry on a two-year deal at least makes sense to me cause he wouldn't be getting in anyone's way, but signing Demar just feels counter-productive.

How much do Pandemic P and Kawhi get in each other's way? Their games seem awfully similar, and while P can shoot the 3, he spends a decent amount of time in the midrange where Kawhi lives. Yet it works out.

I get fit matters, but I wonder if not wanting DeRozan is overthinking it.

Obviously Lavine would be nice, based on age etc, but that's assuming he'll be available, which is a pretty big IF.