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Butch718 wrote:Saunders criticized other fighters for quitting and talked about going out on his shield no matter how bad his injuries were.
It’s really not that simple is it? Love seeing bullies getting what they deserve.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Butch718 wrote:Saunders criticized other fighters for quitting and talked about going out on his shield no matter how bad his injuries were.
It’s really not that simple is it? Love seeing bullies getting what they deserve.
His career is probably over too.
Butch718 wrote:Also, Canelo is definitely the best pound for pound fighter in the sport. He's arguably the best body puncher in the sport(can make a case for Inoue).
His resume is also the best among active fighters not named Pacquiao. Yeah he fights scrubs to stay active, but fact of the matter is that he's faced Cotto, Mayweather, Lara, GGG twice and Jacobs.
Even tier 2 fights have had name opponents on them. Kovalev, Khan, Trout, Kirkland, Angulo, Saunders...
cowboyronnie wrote:Butch718 wrote:Also, Canelo is definitely the best pound for pound fighter in the sport. He's arguably the best body puncher in the sport(can make a case for Inoue).
His resume is also the best among active fighters not named Pacquiao. Yeah he fights scrubs to stay active, but fact of the matter is that he's faced Cotto, Mayweather, Lara, GGG twice and Jacobs.
Even tier 2 fights have had name opponents on them. Kovalev, Khan, Trout, Kirkland, Angulo, Saunders...
I agree that he is #1 but, come on, Khan is no point of respect. Khan is a decent opponent...at 130. He fought Canelo at MW. It's criminal that was even allowed to happen.
Butch718 wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:Butch718 wrote:Also, Canelo is definitely the best pound for pound fighter in the sport. He's arguably the best body puncher in the sport(can make a case for Inoue).
His resume is also the best among active fighters not named Pacquiao. Yeah he fights scrubs to stay active, but fact of the matter is that he's faced Cotto, Mayweather, Lara, GGG twice and Jacobs.
Even tier 2 fights have had name opponents on them. Kovalev, Khan, Trout, Kirkland, Angulo, Saunders...
I agree that he is #1 but, come on, Khan is no point of respect. Khan is a decent opponent...at 130. He fought Canelo at MW. It's criminal that was even allowed to happen.
That's why I said "name opponents". Opponents that had name recognition. Also Khan was doing well in that fight until about the 4 round.
And Khan's optimal weight class was 140.
and still be treated as if you were reasonable. Knickfan1982 wrote:Butch718 wrote:cowboyronnie wrote:
I agree that he is #1 but, come on, Khan is no point of respect. Khan is a decent opponent...at 130. He fought Canelo at MW. It's criminal that was even allowed to happen.
That's why I said "name opponents". Opponents that had name recognition. Also Khan was doing well in that fight until about the 4 round.
And Khan's optimal weight class was 140.
Nah...I wouldn't even give Khan that much credit. It took 4 rounds for Canelo to figure out how to time him. That's it. Its easy to look good when you're fighting your butt off while your completely unthreatened opponent is just taking his time figuring you out. Then once that was taken care of it was only a matter of time. Its like saying that Zebra was doing really well until the lion got him.
Butch718 wrote:Knickfan1982 wrote:Butch718 wrote:
That's why I said "name opponents". Opponents that had name recognition. Also Khan was doing well in that fight until about the 4 round.
And Khan's optimal weight class was 140.
Nah...I wouldn't even give Khan that much credit. It took 4 rounds for Canelo to figure out how to time him. That's it. Its easy to look good when you're fighting your butt off while your completely unthreatened opponent is just taking his time figuring you out. Then once that was taken care of it was only a matter of time. Its like saying that Zebra was doing really well until the lion got him.
Sure Canelo was timing him, but that still doesn't change the fact that he won the majority of the first five round. I'll give Khan credit cause he was way over his head in this fight and is nowhere close to being a legit 154 pounder.
And this is coming from someone that can't stand Khan.
and still be treated as if you were reasonable. 
Butch718 wrote:I mean, you know how many fighters we can take away credit from with your argument? It's really silly.
and still be treated as if you were reasonable. DCasey91 wrote:Hey guys just want to get your opinion on this
Mayweather vs the Fab 4:
Mayweather vs Duran at 130: 50:50
Mayweather vs SRL at 130+: SRL slightly favored
Mayweather vs Hearns: Awful matchup stylistically at 140+ Hearns favored
Mayweather vs Hagler: Non fight
Can see 2-1’s either way for SRL/Duran on Mayweather in a trilogy.
Younger Pretty Boy Floyd liked to bang abit too, against SRL and Duran that’s dangerous imo.
Hearns at 140+ is an awful matchup (Mayweather av at that weight vs 5”8 and only one with longer reach whereas Hearns has the highest KO’ ratio godly reach and height and outboxed 2 ATG’s three times (SRL 2x and Benitez). I mean out of prime De La Hoya gave Mayweather a close fight.
All in all Floyd would have his work cut out here. Arguable best lightweight ever and in his playground, one with a goat like resume (naturally bigger too) one best KO artist for his weight class and could box with the best of em, and one where I think the fight would be never taken (Hearns too I may add because the matchup is poor).
I mean prime De La Hoya would have been Mayweather’s toughest opponent prime for prime whose an ATG in his own right.
I know Mayweather is probably the greatest defensive boxer ever or close to it but I can’t see him running the gauntlet here and not coming out with at least 2 losses. It’s theory but it’s interesting.
and still be treated as if you were reasonable. DCasey91 wrote:Hey guys just want to get your opinion on this
Mayweather vs the Fab 4:
Mayweather vs Duran at 130: 50:50
Mayweather vs SRL at 130+: SRL slightly favored
Mayweather vs Hearns: Awful matchup stylistically at 140+ Hearns favored
Mayweather vs Hagler: Non fight
Can see 2-1’s either way for SRL/Duran on Mayweather in a trilogy.
Younger Pretty Boy Floyd liked to bang abit too, against SRL and Duran that’s dangerous imo.
Hearns at 140+ is an awful matchup (Mayweather av at that weight vs 5”8 and only one with longer reach whereas Hearns has the highest KO’ ratio godly reach and height and outboxed 2 ATG’s three times (SRL 2x and Benitez). I mean out of prime De La Hoya gave Mayweather a close fight.
All in all Floyd would have his work cut out here. Arguable best lightweight ever and in his playground, one with a goat like resume (naturally bigger too) one best KO artist for his weight class and could box with the best of em, and one where I think the fight would be never taken (Hearns too I may add because the matchup is poor).
I mean prime De La Hoya would have been Mayweather’s toughest opponent prime for prime whose an ATG in his own right.
I know Mayweather is probably the greatest defensive boxer ever or close to it but I can’t see him running the gauntlet here and not coming out with at least 2 losses. It’s theory but it’s interesting.
cowboyronnie wrote:Haney shooting for takedowns like he's Matt Lindland.
A respectable opponent but worlds from Teo.
Butch718 wrote:GGG easily, even at this stage of his career.
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