2020-2021 Regular Season Game 69: Orlando Magic (21-47) at Milwaukee Bucks (43-25)

[Knightro]

Agree. Multi-year as described what we gave to Birch right? 2 or 3 yr deal but year 2 and 3 are team options and each year non of that contract exceeds the figure of 2m.

He is just a serviceable big like what we had in Birch. Frankly, this is just like an audition contract for him if he wants to earn more/longer for other teams like what Birch did with TOR

Birch actually played competent rotation minutes for a team with a winning record that made the playoffs the year the Magic resigned him. He at least had a leg to stand on when asking for a few million guaranteed.

Wagner's playing out the string for a clearly tanking team and isn't even playing all that well.

The only benefit to retaining him is that he's not a complete useless scrub and you could keep him for the minimum. Otherwise what's the point?

[RookieStar]

Agree. Multi-year as described what we gave to Birch right? 2 or 3 yr deal but year 2 and 3 are team options and each year non of that contract exceeds the figure of 2m.

He is just a serviceable big like what we had in Birch. Frankly, this is just like an audition contract for him if he wants to earn more/longer for other teams like what Birch did with TOR

Birch actually played competent rotation minutes for a team with a winning record that made the playoffs the year the Magic resigned him. He at least had a leg to stand on when asking for a few million guaranteed.

Wagner's playing out the string for a clearly tanking team and isn't even playing all that well.

The only benefit to retaining him is that he's not a complete useless scrub and you could keep him for the minimum. Otherwise what's the point?

Well we agree on the minimum part. ( I don't know the exact figure though, I just assume its around 1m ). Also the 2nd yr team option I have in mind is always there for the motivation part. Like do well and everything tells you to do and we will pick up your option.

Also, as a 3rd big , to me he certainly is a better option than Hall/Franks unless you prefer we throw a rookie there?

[Knightro]

Well we agree on the minimum part. ( I don't know the exact figure though, I just assume its around 1m ). Also the 2nd yr team option I have in mind is always there for the motivation part. Like do well and everything tells you to do and we will pick up your option.

Also, as a 3rd big , to me he certainly is a better option than Hall/Franks unless you prefer we throw a rookie there?

According to https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/minimum_scale

Wagner's minimum for a guy with 3 years of NBA experience this summer would be $1,729,217.

I'd offer him that non-guaranteed until the start of the season, take it or leave it. If he can find more out there, then we wish him well in his future endeavors.

[RookieStar]

Well we agree on the minimum part. ( I don't know the exact figure though, I just assume its around 1m ). Also the 2nd yr team option I have in mind is always there for the motivation part. Like do well and everything tells you to do and we will pick up your option.

Also, as a 3rd big , to me he certainly is a better option than Hall/Franks unless you prefer we throw a rookie there?

According to https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/minimum_scale

Wagner's minimum for a guy with 3 years of NBA experience this summer would be $1,729,217.

I'd offer him that non-guaranteed until the start of the season, take it or leave it. If he can find more out there, then we wish him well in his future endeavors.

Pardon my ignorance but how does that work? I mean we signed him for the rest of the season already right?

So if that 1.7m is what we offer for next season that is what I mean also about offering the league minimum. What does the non-guaranteed part mean though?

[Knightro]

Pardon my ignorance but how does that work? I mean we signed him for the rest of the season already right?

So if that 1.7m is what we offer for next season that is what I mean also about offering the league minimum. What does the non-guaranteed part mean though?

So the Magic can offer Wagner (or anyone really) a fully non-guaranteed minimum salary contract in the summer if they are so inclined.

Which means if the Magic decide to cut Wagner before the season begins, they would not on the hook for any of his salary.

They can guarantee like 100K, whatever amount they want. They can guaranteed half the salary at the start of the season and the other half in mid January. There's a lot of different things they can do.

If the Magic were to sign Wagner to a fully guaranteed contract, they're on the hook for that amount no matter what. If they release him in camp, they just eat that money.

I don't think Wagner or Brazdeikis have shown enough to justify a fully guaranteed contract for next year. But a partial or fully non-guaranteed deal? (essentially an invitation to next year's training camp) - Sign me up.

[RookieStar]

Pardon my ignorance but how does that work? I mean we signed him for the rest of the season already right?

So if that 1.7m is what we offer for next season that is what I mean also about offering the league minimum. What does the non-guaranteed part mean though?

So the Magic can offer Wagner (or anyone really) a fully non-guaranteed minimum salary contract in the summer if they are so inclined.

Which means if the Magic decide to cut Wagner before the season begins, they would not on the hook for any of his salary.

They can guarantee like 100K, whatever amount they want. They can guaranteed half the salary at the start of the season and the other half in mid January. There's a lot of different things they can do.

If the Magic were to sign Wagner to a fully guaranteed contract, they're on the hook for that amount no matter what. If they release him in camp, they just eat that money.

I don't think Wagner or Brazdeikis have shown enough to justify a fully guaranteed contract for next year. But a partial or fully non-guaranteed deal? (essentially an invitation to next year's training camp) - Sign me up.

Ah that's what it means.. well personally, unless there are better 3rd string bigs out there Im fine with a 1yr guarenteed minimum deal for Wagner.

[drsd]

Agree. Multi-year as described what we gave to Birch right? 2 or 3 yr deal but year 2 and 3 are team options and each year non of that contract exceeds the figure of 2m.

He is just a serviceable big like what we had in Birch. Frankly, this is just like an audition contract for him if he wants to earn more/longer for other teams like what Birch did with TOR

And-1.

As an audition contract, I think he is auditioning well. He certainly is an interesting contrast to Birch, and I would be happy for Wagner to be a 3rd stringer on this team.


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[Last Guardian]

Hampton had a great stretch going, then Clifford slowly cuts his minutes. By the last game he'll be down to 10 minutes.

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Worst coach in Magic history has to slowly give Bacon every shot.

I thought people wanted to tank? Why are they complaining that he's cutting minutes of someone playing well?

[RookieStar]

Hampton had a great stretch going, then Clifford slowly cuts his minutes. By the last game he'll be down to 10 minutes.

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Worst coach in Magic history has to slowly give Bacon every shot.

I thought people wanted to tank? Why are they complaining that he's cutting minutes of someone playing well?

Exaclty. That's why we practically sat down Chuma already. He was just giving this team too many chances to win... In fact that's probably the same reason why MCW,Ennis,ROss, etc are sitting their butts on the seats.