Trade Talk (Part Six)

[karch34]

How about Culver for the Rockets' first rounder from the Blazers? Should be around 22 overall. Grab Day'Ron Sharpe from UNC as the third big to replace Davis and give the Wolves some interior toughness. The kid is relentless on the glass at both ends.

I would be shocked if you could get any first rounder for Culver. I don’t even think you could give him away to a team with cap space at the moment without taking salary back.

Agreed. Think it would have to be getting another player needing a fresh start or contract someone wants to get off of type deal. Bagley was mentioned on the trade board one time and I'd do it for nothing else besides roster fit.

[Slim Tubby]

Building properly around KAT, DLo and Edwards means keeping the pick. Full stop.

This is where I’m at. The key is to get as much talent on the floor.

In addition, no one talks enough about the value of having very talented players on rookie scale deals. With so much salary (and flexibility) locked into max deals with Towns and DLo, I don’t think we should consider trading the pick for most gettable max deal guys, like John Collins, or many of the other names we see here. If you added Cade Cunningham, you may not be as good in Season 1 as adding a star, but your ceiling may be higher, and you greatly lengthened your window. The pick effectively has at least seven years of team control, and KAT isn’t going to ask off a team with Edwards and Cade.

This was why I asked in another thread if keeping pick meant more likely a big trade might happen. Part of me could see Rosas having this mentality. Whereas no pick could mean they feel the need to make a jolt.

Let’s say we end up with Pick#3 in the Draft. Can you give an example of a current player, at a minimum, that you would deem acceptable for that pick? (I’m curious about your valuation using a specific player(s) if such a trade would be viable when giving up team control and Rookie salary.)


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[old school 34]

This is where I’m at. The key is to get as much talent on the floor.

In addition, no one talks enough about the value of having very talented players on rookie scale deals. With so much salary (and flexibility) locked into max deals with Towns and DLo, I don’t think we should consider trading the pick for most gettable max deal guys, like John Collins, or many of the other names we see here. If you added Cade Cunningham, you may not be as good in Season 1 as adding a star, but your ceiling may be higher, and you greatly lengthened your window. The pick effectively has at least seven years of team control, and KAT isn’t going to ask off a team with Edwards and Cade.

This was why I asked in another thread if keeping pick meant more likely a big trade might happen. Part of me could see Rosas having this mentality. Whereas no pick could mean they feel the need to make a jolt.

Let’s say we end up with Pick#3 in the Draft. Can you give an example of a current player, at a minimum, that you would deem acceptable for that pick? (I’m curious about your valuation using a specific player(s) if such a trade would be viable when giving up team control and Rookie salary.)


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That gets complicated (as I'm a guy that tends to lean into this camp)....because if we're talking pick & non rotation filler...where I'd fall is probably not realistic....like 2nd contract age allstar caliber type...which I get...not going to happen.

But like you say, we land 3 & say we land Suggs. I'm comfortable...moving Rubio....see what Finch can do with that group & then move the G next season for say that other piece? I think you can take the top 3 pick...still be a playoff team next year while evaluating the fits & combinations better & make the championship move type trade a year later when you have more data to support your evaluations?

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[Klomp]

This is where I’m at. The key is to get as much talent on the floor.

In addition, no one talks enough about the value of having very talented players on rookie scale deals. With so much salary (and flexibility) locked into max deals with Towns and DLo, I don’t think we should consider trading the pick for most gettable max deal guys, like John Collins, or many of the other names we see here. If you added Cade Cunningham, you may not be as good in Season 1 as adding a star, but your ceiling may be higher, and you greatly lengthened your window. The pick effectively has at least seven years of team control, and KAT isn’t going to ask off a team with Edwards and Cade.

This was why I asked in another thread if keeping pick meant more likely a big trade might happen. Part of me could see Rosas having this mentality. Whereas no pick could mean they feel the need to make a jolt.

Let’s say we end up with Pick#3 in the Draft. Can you give an example of a current player, at a minimum, that you would deem acceptable for that pick? (I’m curious about your valuation using a specific player(s) if such a trade would be viable when giving up team control and Rookie salary.)

At 1 I'm holding out for a Ben Simmons type player. 3 is a little tougher. Jaylen Brown is one who comes to mind.

[Norseman79]

This is where I’m at. The key is to get as much talent on the floor.

In addition, no one talks enough about the value of having very talented players on rookie scale deals. With so much salary (and flexibility) locked into max deals with Towns and DLo, I don’t think we should consider trading the pick for most gettable max deal guys, like John Collins, or many of the other names we see here. If you added Cade Cunningham, you may not be as good in Season 1 as adding a star, but your ceiling may be higher, and you greatly lengthened your window. The pick effectively has at least seven years of team control, and KAT isn’t going to ask off a team with Edwards and Cade.

This was why I asked in another thread if keeping pick meant more likely a big trade might happen. Part of me could see Rosas having this mentality. Whereas no pick could mean they feel the need to make a jolt.

Let’s say we end up with Pick#3 in the Draft. Can you give an example of a current player, at a minimum, that you would deem acceptable for that pick? (I’m curious about your valuation using a specific player(s) if such a trade would be viable when giving up team control and Rookie salary.)

So, assuming the pick is traded - not that I would trade it - the target player is going to have to be a defensive minded big who can pair with Kat in the front court. Problem is, looking around the league, you just don't see many that don't have gaping holes somewhere in their game. Let's also assume that Beasley will not be part of the trade...so, straight up 3 for established, starter...I call the Magic and go after Isaac.

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[moonpie]

Culver for Toppin?

[shrink]

Culver for Toppin?

I mentioned on the Trade Board that I have been thinking about what a realistic Culver trade looks like to Gersson Rosas. Despite Chris Finch saying that Culver is a major piece in MIN’s future once he is healthy, I believe that he will be traded this summer, before the October 31 deadline where Rosas would decline his option. If it reaches this point, Rosas would be admitting he messed up on his first move as a GM, trading up to draft Culver. Unfortunately, Culver doesn’t have much trade value now, so to save face, the return needs to probably be a disappointing prospect, one of those, “more name than game” type of players.

To me, Toppin fits this description. National College Player of the Year, and a lottery pick from the media beacon that is New York. Toppin has been a big disappointment, especially as an older rookie, but at least we have a position for him, so I think this is realistic. Other types of players where we might swap disappointing prospects might be Bagley or Markannen.

[wolves_89]

Culver for Toppin?

I mentioned on the Trade Board that I have been thinking about what a realistic Culver trade looks like to Gersson Rosas. Despite Chris Finch saying that Culver is a major piece in MIN’s future once he is healthy, I believe that he will be traded this summer, before the October 31 deadline where Rosas would decline his option. If it reaches this point, Rosas would be admitting he messed up on his first move as a GM, trading up to draft Culver. Unfortunately, Culver doesn’t have much trade value now, so to save face, the return needs to probably be a disappointing prospect, one of those, “more name than game” type of players.

To me, Toppin fits this description. National College Player of the Year, and a lottery pick from the media beacon that is New York. Toppin has been a big disappointment, especially as an older rookie, but at least we have a position for him, so I think this is realistic. Other types of players where we might swap disappointing prospects might be Bagley or Markannen.

Markannen is the guy I somewhat expect to see on the Wolves next season. My guess is that when we don't get Mobley in the draft and Rosas strikes out on Collins and Nance, he will make a play for a guy like Markannen that is relatively young and still theoretically has some upside.

[zimpy27]

Rubio+Beasley+Culver for Kemba+Nesmith

I see Culver being moved in a bigger trade to hide the lost value. Do you guys like this trade?


It kind of locks the team into:

Kemba, Edwards, Nesmith, Vanderbilt, KAT
DLo, Okogie, McDaniels, Juancho, Naz

[Neeva]

Kemba is a negative contract.. has to be dlo instead of Beasley. Which isn’t happening.

[Chello1]

We are seeing these last few games how far away from being relevant we are. When a good team steps up there game we are still a ways away from being able to compete.... Don't let the end of year bump in wins fool us-we need this draft pick to add talent and we need to find a way to get some defence in the lineup or we are just going to be a joke again.

[IceManBK1]

dlo to knicks for mitchell, derrick rose, and Obi toppin. A washed up Rose>Dlo. Dlo couldn't avg 20pt when he was the 1st option when towns was out. So inconsistent at everything he does.

Rose/Rubio
Beasley/Okogie
Edwards/Layman
Toppin/McDaniels
Towns/Mitchell

Will be much better defensivley.

[IceManBK1]

Lauri sign and trade+coby white+Thad young for Beasley, Rubio and Hernangomez.

Dlo/White/Jmac
Edwards/Okogie
McDaniels/Young/Layman
Lauri/Vanderbilt
Towns/Reid

[old school 34]

Culver for Toppin?

I mentioned on the Trade Board that I have been thinking about what a realistic Culver trade looks like to Gersson Rosas. Despite Chris Finch saying that Culver is a major piece in MIN’s future once he is healthy, I believe that he will be traded this summer, before the October 31 deadline where Rosas would decline his option. If it reaches this point, Rosas would be admitting he messed up on his first move as a GM, trading up to draft Culver. Unfortunately, Culver doesn’t have much trade value now, so to save face, the return needs to probably be a disappointing prospect, one of those, “more name than game” type of players.

To me, Toppin fits this description. National College Player of the Year, and a lottery pick from the media beacon that is New York. Toppin has been a big disappointment, especially as an older rookie, but at least we have a position for him, so I think this is realistic. Other types of players where we might swap disappointing prospects might be Bagley or Markannen.

I think your along the right line of thinking. The only other way to use him as an effective trade piece...is ultimately cap filler as a $6 million contract that team gets option if they make him expiring, right? His just the money piece to assist?

Back to your young rooks...

Toppin wouldn't go so soon being a NY kid would he? Don't you have to go to the French pg or Knox?

Lauri is rfa, so it most likely not him.

Couple guys that maybe fit that we've shown interest in before: Sekou or Aaron Holiday? We'd get player back while saving a little more room under lux line?

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[old school 34]

Many think if we were to buck odds & keep our pick that we'd be more likely to move it &/or attempt to make larger deal....I view it opposite & would keep that top pick & still trade the other margin vet pieces...just with said added rook in the core.

That said in theoretical land, we have the pick...don't think some of the wish list trades are happening. Something more realistic, would you consider pick/Rubio/JC to Det for like jerami grant & Bey...maybe a late 1st or 2nd if you can squeeze it out of them as well?

Thoughts...

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[TaylorTag]

Culver for Toppin?

I mentioned on the Trade Board that I have been thinking about what a realistic Culver trade looks like to Gersson Rosas. Despite Chris Finch saying that Culver is a major piece in MIN’s future once he is healthy, I believe that he will be traded this summer, before the October 31 deadline where Rosas would decline his option. If it reaches this point, Rosas would be admitting he messed up on his first move as a GM, trading up to draft Culver. Unfortunately, Culver doesn’t have much trade value now, so to save face, the return needs to probably be a disappointing prospect, one of those, “more name than game” type of players.

To me, Toppin fits this description. National College Player of the Year, and a lottery pick from the media beacon that is New York. Toppin has been a big disappointment, especially as an older rookie, but at least we have a position for him, so I think this is realistic. Other types of players where we might swap disappointing prospects might be Bagley or Markannen.

this is such a good post, and hopefuly the line of thinking Rosas is taking.. Would love to somehow get Toppin. Someone mentioned Sekou Doumbouya in another post -- he isn't an upgrade over Vanderbilt at the four, but we might not be able to find one for someone like Culver, unless we add other guys to the package

[TaylorTag]

If we do decide to upgrade the PF position either by trade or via draft -- and knowing that either way we will have to move Ricky to make that acquisition work financially, what are people's thoughts on adding Kris Dunn as Rubio's replacement... He has a player option this year, and considering he did not play at all due to him recovering from ankle surgery, he will likely trigger that player option..

The Hawks are probably not too thrilled at the prospect of paying Dunn $5M after being on the injury list the whole year.

My thinking is that maybe we could move Culver, either to Atlanta or to a third team in a three-team trade that would net us Dunn and excise Culver's contract all in the same move.

Dunn was an averagish starter for a bad Bulls team for a couple of seasons prior to this year -- think he could fill Rubio's role production and be a good defender / trash three-point shooter pretty well..

All joking aside, think the Wolves need a defensive-oriented PG.. right now we are asking Okogie to be the primary ball-handling defender.. Think Dunn would solve a couple of holes and at a reasonable contract to boot...

In this scenario, I would still want to bring back McGlauhglin, as he has played well with Russell since his return. And we can also continue to explore Nowell as an emergency PG

[Mattya]

One of Rubio or Beasley has to go. I think it will most likely be Beasley. Love his shooting, but I worry about his too dog mindset long term. Plus he has to have more value that Rubio. Rubio and DLo looked a lot better together with Finch, plus he is Ant’s uncle now.

[NYG]

Knicks fan here... what would it take to reunite Thibs and Okogie?

[winforlose]

Knicks fan here... what would it take to reunite Thibs and Okogie?

Probably taking a bad contract like Culver or Juancho and a late first round pick. The guy is the prototype for underdeveloped two way player. If he ever improves his jump shooting the way he improved his shooting at the rim he could be special. I know it sounds like a lot for a player in need of development, but if you watch him after the all star break under Finch you will see it too.